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iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Feature 6.1-Inch LCD Display With Notch
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My thought similarily.
Using the Xr is an UGLY and much heavier model to be using.
A15 Gen2 or A16 cpu.
Use 13 mini's design and 5.4" screen - still bigger than the current SE screen (4.7 inches) and much sharper than the SE's (750 x 1334 pixels, 16:9 ratio ~326 ppi density) or the Xr's display (828 x 1792 pixels, 19.5:9 ratio ~326 ppi density).
!Like STOP display-hobbling iOS already Apple!
4-6GB RAM is more than sufficient and at 6GB sweet.
Also the 13 mini's design fits across the lineup, just cancel the 13mini before launch. This gives 12/13mini users a clear upgrade path, best for Apple's AC+ warranty replacements being equal, and small footprint for SE 2 users as well.
While at it give us Dynamic Island FaceID hardware too. I mean you'd want economies of scale to have the cheapest cost of your hardware to increase your margins, right Apple?
Although the Xr has the largest battery Li-Ion 2942 mAh, non-removable (11.16 Wh) vs the 13 mini's Li-Ion 2438 mAh, non-removable (9.34 Wh), I'm guessing battery life of use (not standby) is better or equal due to the better cpu?
You need to see the ZTE nubia Red Magic 7S Pro! Its under display camera is THE best in the business and its great, and usable pictures. Not the best for all front facing cameras, but its no longer a concept in production use case it's a viable use case now.
theres plenty of 6.1" iphones to chose from: 11, 12, 13, 14 and soon 15. no need to hope for a SE in this form
This is why I don't why they would switch from Touch. What's the point then when you can get others the same. Maybe if they keep LCD for the PWM people?
It would seem the market for small phones is quite small, sadly. I just ordered a 13 Mini to replace my 11 Pro though.
Actually I think it’s somewhat to very likely. They’re still selling the 13 mini because there was even less point to releasing a mini 14 as there was in releasing the 14 itself.
I think Apple would be just fine only releasing a mini every other year.
They are already talking about withholding features from all but the largest phones for next year. Clearly they think size is a differentiator.
Damn I was hoping they'd use the 12/13 Mini chassis for the next SE...
Looks like small phone lovers are out of luck and I'll be keeping my 13 mini for longer than I'd want to. Tsch
Looks like small phone lovers are out of luck and I'll be keeping my 13 mini for longer than I'd want to. Tsch
Cost. The SE is all about low cost hardware. And LCD technology costs less than OLED technology.
Remember, the iPhone XR with it’s 6.1” LCD screen was available for $499 from Apple starting in September 2020. So, the margins needed for SE duty were essentially there two years ago.
By contrast, where is the $499 OLED iPhone? It could theoretically have happened this year with the 12 Mini, but they discontinued it instead (leaving the $499 slot vacant). Next year? Well, we don’t know yet, but don’t count on a $499 OLED model then either. Instead, expect the 12 to exit, the 13 Mini to exit, and the 13 to occupy the next step up from the SE at $599. Very similar to today’s lineup.
An OLED SE will come eventually, but we’re going to have to wait another generation or two.
Overall it just felt bloated and huge. It was obviously a half-effort. The screen was not great, the bezels were huge, the phone was thick and just overall felt lazy compared to what Apple is capable of. The only other phone of the same « effort » for me would be the 6-8Plus models. Starting with 12, Apple managed to level out the design language between the regular and the more expensive models. Both are good.
All 3 of you are only slightly correct touching on the surface.
The first iPhone SE, which did stand for Special Edition officially, was modeled exactly after the iPhone 5S. As
Greg “Joz” Joswiak, Senior Vice President, Worldwide Marketing stated back in 2016 this device was created because Apple realized a LOT of iPhone users love the design of the iPhone 5S and chose NOT to upgrade to the iPhone 6/6S at that time.
People forget that SPECIFICALLY - and wonder why the iPhone SE/SE 2 and now SE 3 have yet to grow in physical size - yet consistently keep saying it's not about being small and small is just a trade off of least cost of manufacturing. Although the latter is true, you forgot this is Tim's Apple and highest AFP or profits/units sold - should be the highest!
iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini each have higher profits per units sold than the SE2/SE3 the latter having the same chipset as the 13 mini.
Since the SE OG model is no longer around to be used it cannot be used to be the cheapest. The iPhone SE 3 probably, imho not getting the sales numbers as the SE 2 did?? Most than likely the marketing team (a joke in my opinion) has decided the new 'Small' is 6.1" screen - just like they figured to right an iPhone mini "sales mistake" is to make a larger screened base iPhone vs actually facing the real sales mistake is their utter incompetence to NOT market the mini's as their own devices:
iPhone 12 launch showcased the 12 mini, straight with James Bond theme as an aside to Sony Picture Studios (owns 007 movie rights) and Sony Mobile (whom cancelled making the 'xperia compact' lineup just 3yrs prior). Not the first time Apple has selected Sony to pick on (aka Jobs 'they got the sex' Vaio laptop lineup reference when launching the TiBook G4).
We'll see if this product choice comes to fruition, something I hope will not occur, and how successful it'll be.
I'll hold Kaianne and Vitor Silva responsible if the 14 Plus fails and this upcoming iPhone SE 4 does as well. They are at fault for the mini's sales failure. Most iPhone users didn't even know about the mini's and many that did was due to iPhone 12 launch mention and all the youtubers busing out about how good it was.
EXACTO-MUNDO!
So spread the word high and far to ask Apple ... what the HELL where these two doing about the mini:
Kaiann Drance, VP iPhone Product Marketing
Vitor Silva, iPhone Product Manager, Worldwide Product Marketing at Apple
^ This is the ONLY iPhone series to :
not be marketed (online, in print, nor billboards globally),
not to have it's own separate webpage (directly nor even via search on Apple's site) - you had to select the regular phone to purchase for the mini option to show up, OR the tech specs page, again selecting the regular iPhone first!
Like for gods sake even the iPhone 5C - technically the spirit precursor to the "SE" lineup got its own direct page!
Although this is something many could imagine, I suspect the MAIN reason for using TouchID vs FaceID in the SE models for so long wasn't necessarily a cost decision, yet more an end user consideration. Possibly those with ADHD/BPD like the fiddle with a perceived physical button when never having to look at the display to confort themselves - many don't use fidget spinners anymore.
#%*&(&*$# - don't even get me started! As stated above you can bombard Tim Cook and Greg Joswiak why
Kaiann Drance, VP iPhone Product Marketing and Vitor Silva, iPhone Product Manager, Worldwide Product Marketing at Apple completely ignored proper and full marketing of the mini and for more than likely pushing for the 6.1 screen units.
VERY curious what Apple is going to do when less and less 12 / 13 mini's and parts are available for iPhone 13 mini users with AC+ that have no limit for extended warranty support say in 3yrs+ I suspect those like myself may not even accept a iPhone 13 or iPhone 14 regular to replace when no stock is available in that time frame. I'd rather wear an Apple Watch Ultra than jump to the current Pro or 6.1" regular iPhone. Time will tell for me though. Sooner or later iOS may stop being supported. The initial oddities with iOS 16 that I've faced on my 12 mini are resolved.
If I am Apple and wants to offer SE 4 model; I would just move touchid to power button, and increase screen size. I know Apple wants to add dynamic island to all iPhone 15 models and than introduce SE 4 with notch. But, Apple should keep touchid for atleast one model.
My XR has a larger battery than both the thinner X and XS (11.24wH vs 10.35 and 10.13 respectively) so its thicker size is definitely in the benefits column.
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you are right, of course, but the 12 and 13 are 40% more than the current SE3. I don’t see that the 11 is still for sale. I’m a very light phone user and don’t like to spend more for a phone for features and capabilities I’ll never use.
Major selling points of the current iPhone SE is not only price, it is size, touch ID, home button, bezels (space to hold onto). The previous XR as the new SE doesn't address that. I repeat, price is not the only reason.
However Joswiak may have spun it to western media back then, I don't believe it
It doesn't make sense - even less so in hindsight.
That's just does seem not true - the numbers just do not support it.
iPhone 6/6s were "peak iPhone", sales-wise. They are considered the highest-selling models ever.
They were released at at time when the trend towards bigger displays became evident in the Android market and Apple had been a holdout at that.
And no, while I can't provide numbers evidence of consumer's upgrade paths, having sold iPhones myself for a living back then, I can tell from (admittedly anecdotal) first-hand experience that few people chose the iPhone SE for its size. Quite the contrary, many opted for the cheaper SE over the bigger screen they would've chosen if given the option at the same price.
The market failure of the colorful 5C is further evidence that the smaller size wasn't a big selling point back then.
What Joswiak could have told (but probably didn't very publicly) was that Apple was still selling iPhone 4S in emerging markets up until early 2016, the iPhone SE's release date.
Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a bigger market for small iPhones. The original SE and now mini are my favourite form factors among iPhone ever. 👉 But I maintain that price and its marketability as an entry-level model and in emerging markets have been main consideration in positioning the iPhone SE line - not size.
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Correct. I will never give up touchID. I will go to Android first.