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This is bad. I personally love FaceID now but I know a few friends who are still on SE because they are not ready for FaceID yet. Apple should at least add TouchID to power button.
I still do not get why people don't like face ID "They are not ready for it"?
 
The XR/11 size is too big for the target market for the SE! If Apple doesn't make their cheapest device small, will there be a small iPhone again?
 
I still do not get why people don't like face ID "They are not ready for it"?
Less about face ID and more about the removal of the tactile home button. Although being able to unlock my phone or sign into apps by just forcing me to look at is far easier than getting a fingerprint IMHO.

Secondly, gestures are a pain in the butt, and even more-so on a bigger screen where you have to use two hands.
 
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They should make a hole punch cutout (about the size of the camera part of the 14 pro’s dynamic island)for the camera, and have dynamic island on the SE.
 
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The requirement of USB-C may necessitate a change, however.

Make it wireless charging to eliminate a connector. Slower data transfer is likely less of an issue with its user base.

Touch ID is less convenient when you are actually using your phone though. Having to keep placing your finger on a button to authenticate instead of it just seeing you and authenticating.

However, requiring a physical touch, vs. just holding the device to someone's face to unlock it, can prevent law enforcement from unlocking it without consent, depending on the laws of a country. Face ID is a much grayer area, IMHO, as your face is publicly visible and unlocking with it does not require you to take action to allow access.

The US government has copies of my fingerprints anyway, presumably not stored encrypted on Apple hardware.

The old blue paper ones were kept in a giant vault, at least pre-digital era.
 
Question now becomes if the Mini will stay in the lineup and Apple offers it as a low price for people who want a compact device.

6.1" IMO is the right 'standard' size. So this new SE is actually a great call by Apple.
 
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F the people. Everyone who wants a big iPhone already had a choice from dozens of cheaper models. What will Apple do with the production line that made the 12 mini and 13 mini? An SE mini is the only reasonable way to reuse it. And a cheap small iPhone would be the only reason for me to retire my XR. Apple of all companies knows weight is important for a portable computer.
The point with the production line makes a lot of sense to me. They used the one that they had for the iPhone 6/6s/7/8 (pretty amazing how many “high-price iPhone lines they had to squeeze out of it before considering it “cheap enough” 😄) for the SE. The lines for the Mini would be obsolet, so maybe maybe… 😍
And then please also quadrupel the PWM frequency of the 13 Mini… hm, that might not happen. 😅
 
The XR/11 size is too big for the target market for the SE! If Apple doesn't make their cheapest device small, will there be a small iPhone again?
I have a feeling Apple is going to come out with their version of a flip phone and that will satisfy the “small” phone market.
 
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If Apple doesn't make their cheapest device small, will there be a small iPhone again?
Look at the iPad lineup. The cheapest device is not the smallest, and the smallest device in not the cheapest.

Could they do the same with iPhone? It admittedly doesn’t look promising right now. But a few years on? Certainly not impossible.

Or as others mention, a flip-open iPhone might be a thing eventually.
 
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No, this is what Apple's gullible believe, but the first generation of SE wasn’t cheap: it had the same cpu as the 6s, the same space, the same price, in fact cost as a 6s.
$399 wasn’t the same price as $649.

It was cheap. Cheapest iPhone ever in fact (if I‘mmkot mistaken).
 
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The iPhone SE was meant to be cheap, not small. It just happened to be small because in order to make it cheap they re-used parts from older iPhones.

Apple tried making small phones again with the iPhone 12/13 Mini. It didn't sell well, that's why there's no iPhone 14 Mini.
 
I thought the entire point of the iPhone SE was to keep a TouchID iPhone available in the original form factor? If this rumor ends up being true, the SE is just going to be a lower end iPhone that is no different than the rest otherwise.
Exactly, what ever happened to SE+?
 
It’s a shame they can’t make it more like the iPhone 11, but instead of an ultra wide, make the second lens a 2x zoom for portraits. Still, I’m glad this will still have LCD for my pwm sensitive friends. Now if they would stop with temporal dithering, too.

Is temporal dithering as much of a problem for people as PWM is, or is this much more of a rare issue for people out there to encounter?
Just curious as I have heard of plenty of people (here online, and even myself to a degree) with PWM sensitivity, but hadn't heard about sensitivity to temporal dithering.
 
I am one of them. That’s why I keep buying the SE every other year. Can’t stand FaceID. I do hit my home button while picking up my phone, done! FaceID is slower than TouchID.
Depends. Getting it out of my pocket or paying or new apps, I definitely like Touch better. For other things like authentication when already looking, I like Face better.
 
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an iphone with side touchbar would be a dream (if it works as smooth as the regular one, I never tested the ipad’s one…)

Face id is quite good for many situations but still fails a lot for me (iPhone11)
Pandemic times where horrible, night time is horrible, numeric code is asked too many times randomly (same when using wallet) a bit tiring to me.
My sunglasses are polarized so I have to deactivate “attention awareness) in the car is hard to unlock, in the vespa even worse with helmet, same as in some sunlight situations…

TouchId was awful with gloves and wet fingers, but at an other situation was far superior and faster.

3 years after my iPhine 11 purchase still loving my iPhone 7 touchId (which I still using for work)
 
Not surprising, but this will definitely disappoint people who were hoping to replace their 12/13 mini with another same-size iPhone in the next couple of years. No A16/A17, improved cameras, USB-C and dynamic island in a mini-sized iPhone unfortunately for those people.
 
I am interested in buying the iPhone SE 4 providing that is has:
1. Touch ID instead of Face ID
2. LCD screen with no PWM
3. Around or slightly higher priced than the current iPhone SE 2022

Touch ID is more useful when wearing masks. A larger screen size is a bonus.
I will definitely pass too if FaceID. The whole point of SE is TouchID. Just can't read the small SE well or barely any content is on screen. It's nice to use now for the Apple things, but I could never use it as a primary. Need to come out with the SE+ already keeping Touch.
 
an iphone with side touchbar would be a dream (if it works as smooth as the regular one, I never tested the ipad’s one…)

Face id is quite good for many situations but still fails a lot for me (iPhone11)
Pandemic times where horrible, night time is horrible, numeric code is asked too many times randomly (same when using wallet) a bit tiring to me.
My sunglasses are polarized so I have to deactivate “attention awareness) in the car is hard to unlock, in the vespa even worse with helmet, same as in some sunlight situations…

TouchId was awful with gloves and wet fingers, but at an other situation was far superior and faster.

3 years after my iPhine 11 purchase still loving my iPhone 7 touchId (which I still using for work)
I'm sure it will be good TouchID since even my Android is good. Face is still stinky on Android though. Plus it is dumb in some apps because you need to pick Finger or Face. Might as well just touch the power if I'm touching something already
 
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