Well that article didn’t age well!For reasons which are unrelated to the convenience of the feature, I'll buy this if it has TouchID.
There’s been no degradation in privacy, only enhanced convenience for the end user.In what way?
I thought the point of the SE was to offer a small phone as well as an affordable one.
Ah, I see.There’s been no degradation in privacy, only enhanced convenience for the end user.
Can you pinpoint the privacy violations that have occurred then?Ah, I see.
I would have to disagree, of course.
Yes; as far as I am concerned, the widespread use of facial recognition is a privacy violation. Therefore, the article is correct.Can you pinpoint the privacy violations that have occurred then?
I think we need to establish whether facial recognition that is encrypted in hardware and doesn’t leave your device can even be considered a privacy violation. I presume you turn off Touch ID too since that is stored in the same way?Yes; as far as I am concerned, the widespread use of facial recognition is a privacy violation. Therefore, the article is correct.
I understand that you disagree with this opinion.
Assuming we have any interest in continuing this conversation, we also need to establish not only whether or not it leaves one's device (Apple claims not), but whether any information gained from querying the encrypted-in-hardware model leaves one's device, and whether this has the potential to change in the future. It's these latter two parts that are my particular concern; if I could be absolutely certain there was no way for applications running on the device to draw conclusions about me e.g. based on my facial expression, age, gender, race etc. and transmit these anywhere then I would be less concerned about it (but would still think it unpleasant).I think we need to establish whether facial recognition that is encrypted in hardware and doesn’t leave your device can even be considered a privacy violation. I presume you turn off Touch ID too since that is stored in the same way?
Well do you have any evidence of Face ID or Touch ID data leaving Apple’s devices? And if it did, do you have any evidence of it being decrypted and someone being able to use that to recognise your face in another situation?Assuming we have any interest in continuing this conversation, we also need to establish not only whether or not it leaves one's device (Apple claims not), but whether any information gained from querying the encrypted-in-hardware model leaves one's device, and whether this has the potential to change in the future. It's these latter two parts that are my particular concern; if I could be absolutely certain there was no way for applications running on the device to draw conclusions about me e.g. based on my facial expression, age, gender, race etc. and transmit these anywhere then I would be less concerned about it (but would still think it unpleasant).
You are mistaken in your presumption; I am far less concerned about the current and future capabilities of Touch ID and so leave it turned on. The US government has copies of my fingerprints anyway, presumably not stored encrypted on Apple hardware.
I’d love an SE in the iPhone X form factor. That was a great design. And it’d be more celebrational to go that way, to me SE has always represented a bit of that, too. Not just ‘older’ designs, but classic iPhones.
They might. The iPad Air is basically a cheaper iPad Pro which they developed side Touch ID for.I think it will. iPhone SE is the cheap iPhone. So they will not develop a feature like side-button Touch ID for this phone. They’ll use what they have in the drawer.
Trust me, You gullible are Apple's daily bread!No, no, no. The mainstream consumer will settle for a smaller smartphone like an SE if the price is low enough.
But settling is not the same as preferring.
Go talk any consumer electronics store or phone carrier across Europe or the U.S. -all of them have struggled to sell 12 and 13 mini even after they’ve been discontinued due to their 6.1” counterparts outselling them.
Price always comes before other considerations, and a vast section of consumers either can’t or won’t pay $699-$799 for a new iPhone. So they settle for a $429 one.
But if they could get a new 6.1” iPhone for $429 essentially all of them would get the 6.1” over one that is smaller.
Why? Because the average, mainstream consumer wants as much smartphone for their money as they can get -Between a bigger iPhone and a smaller one, the bigger will have a bigger display and a bigger battery.
There’s no way around the physical limitations that size differences put on smartphones.
The average, mainstream consumer needs the display size and battery life of a 6.1” smartphone. You’re not going to spend all day on socials like TikTok or do emails, video calls and texts for hours at good brightness on a SE or mini sized iPhone. It’s physically not possible.
Look at Apple’s decision to put out a Plus size version of it’s mid-tier iPhone and then tell me again how there’s a significant demographic that wants a smaller than 6.1” iPhone?
Smaller iPhones, regardless of high-end internals, read to mainstream consumers as older, less capable, less social capital smartphones compared to 6.1” and larger.
mini is dead. SE is only popular because a real, contemporary, full-sized iPhone starts at $799. Case closed.
But Apple wants money... For the average non-techie person who sees the iPhone SE at $450 and the iPhone 15 at $799, both of which have an A16 chip and are 6.1", why would they pick the iPhone 15? With the iPhone mini design, there is a clear separation of the 'budget' phone from the mainline model based on size.People want big phones. The XR / 11 is big and even if Apple put USB-C on it, I’d imagine with a 5-6 year old chassis (by 2024) they’ll be able to fit that in ok.
I think the reports of dynamic island being on an it are unlikely though.
This is the company that still sells the chassis of 2014 in the 4.7 inch Touch ID SE3.
The resolution of the 5.4 inch mini iPhone is 460 pixels per inch.
The resolution of the 6.1 inch iPhone XR and 11 was 326 pixels per inch.
So they’ve got two options, either come up with a new lower resolution for a 5.4 inch LCD display that has never been produced before, or reuse the 11 low resolution components.
Which do you think is going to be able to keep that at a $400 or so price point?
Certainly not a new resolution, and certainly not OLED
The next SE in iPhone Mini form factor? 😍I don't think the XR/11 screen was that cheap as they have to get the substrate to curl at the edges - not as much as OLED (hence that larger bezels), but enough that I don't think it was a 'standard' LCD. Also, how much more than LCD is OLED these days? OLED fabs are expanding capacity and LCD fabs are shutting down or being converted to OLED. Finally, if the Mini sold as poorly as we are to believe, Apple likely have a lot of 5.4" screens and chassis to hand (exactly how the original SE came around)
F the people. Everyone who wants a big iPhone already had a choice from dozens of cheaper models. What will Apple do with the production line that made the 12 mini and 13 mini? An SE mini is the only reasonable way to reuse it. And a cheap small iPhone would be the only reason for me to retire my XR. Apple of all companies knows weight is important for a portable computer.The next SE in iPhone Mini form factor? 😍
Don’t make me dream that would be amazing!!!
But I don’t think it will happen. The majority of people want a big phone.
That iPhone with an Xr form factor should have been the iPhone SE 22…
There's some talk of this (in this article), but it also does not make sense as it is an added cost on their lowest cost iPhone (and Apple is big on cutting things out). I'd bet against Apple having both on the phone. The super expensive Pro, sure if there was a demand for it, but the low end SE? Would bet it's going to have one validation method and save the $x.xx production cost per phone.This is bad. I personally love FaceID now but I know a few friends who are still on SE because they are not ready for FaceID yet. Apple should at least add TouchID to power button.