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Looks like a good update for my 11. I'm one of the few souls that can't use OLED screens. They give me horrible headaches! But 2024 is a long time. Was hoping for something like this next year.
 
I’d love an SE in the iPhone X form factor. That was a great design. And it’d be more celebrational to go that way, to me SE has always represented a bit of that, too. Not just ‘older’ designs, but classic iPhones.
 
Yes; as far as I am concerned, the widespread use of facial recognition is a privacy violation. Therefore, the article is correct.
I understand that you disagree with this opinion.
I think we need to establish whether facial recognition that is encrypted in hardware and doesn’t leave your device can even be considered a privacy violation. I presume you turn off Touch ID too since that is stored in the same way?
 
I think we need to establish whether facial recognition that is encrypted in hardware and doesn’t leave your device can even be considered a privacy violation. I presume you turn off Touch ID too since that is stored in the same way?
Assuming we have any interest in continuing this conversation, we also need to establish not only whether or not it leaves one's device (Apple claims not), but whether any information gained from querying the encrypted-in-hardware model leaves one's device, and whether this has the potential to change in the future. It's these latter two parts that are my particular concern; if I could be absolutely certain there was no way for applications running on the device to draw conclusions about me e.g. based on my facial expression, age, gender, race etc. and transmit these anywhere then I would be less concerned about it (but would still think it unpleasant).
You are mistaken in your presumption; I am far less concerned about the current and future capabilities of Touch ID and so leave it turned on. The US government has copies of my fingerprints anyway, presumably not stored encrypted on Apple hardware.
 
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Assuming we have any interest in continuing this conversation, we also need to establish not only whether or not it leaves one's device (Apple claims not), but whether any information gained from querying the encrypted-in-hardware model leaves one's device, and whether this has the potential to change in the future. It's these latter two parts that are my particular concern; if I could be absolutely certain there was no way for applications running on the device to draw conclusions about me e.g. based on my facial expression, age, gender, race etc. and transmit these anywhere then I would be less concerned about it (but would still think it unpleasant).
You are mistaken in your presumption; I am far less concerned about the current and future capabilities of Touch ID and so leave it turned on. The US government has copies of my fingerprints anyway, presumably not stored encrypted on Apple hardware.
Well do you have any evidence of Face ID or Touch ID data leaving Apple’s devices? And if it did, do you have any evidence of it being decrypted and someone being able to use that to recognise your face in another situation?

It’s interesting that your argument is based on a theoretical privacy invasion as opposed to an actual demonstrable privacy violation.
 
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I’d love an SE in the iPhone X form factor. That was a great design. And it’d be more celebrational to go that way, to me SE has always represented a bit of that, too. Not just ‘older’ designs, but classic iPhones.

I would take a 5.8” screen vs 6.1” in a snap too. 🖐️
 
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I think it will. iPhone SE is the cheap iPhone. So they will not develop a feature like side-button Touch ID for this phone. They’ll use what they have in the drawer.
They might. The iPad Air is basically a cheaper iPad Pro which they developed side Touch ID for.

Side Touch-ID already exists so Apple can just use what they have already developed. Apple would anyway have to develop a new notch because it doesn't have all the Face-ID sensors. Touch ID on the curved sides probably works better than on flat sides because the body curves away from the sensor making it easier to read more of your print.
 
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No, no, no. The mainstream consumer will settle for a smaller smartphone like an SE if the price is low enough.

But settling is not the same as preferring.

Go talk any consumer electronics store or phone carrier across Europe or the U.S. -all of them have struggled to sell 12 and 13 mini even after they’ve been discontinued due to their 6.1” counterparts outselling them.

Price always comes before other considerations, and a vast section of consumers either can’t or won’t pay $699-$799 for a new iPhone. So they settle for a $429 one.

But if they could get a new 6.1” iPhone for $429 essentially all of them would get the 6.1” over one that is smaller.

Why? Because the average, mainstream consumer wants as much smartphone for their money as they can get -Between a bigger iPhone and a smaller one, the bigger will have a bigger display and a bigger battery.

There’s no way around the physical limitations that size differences put on smartphones.

The average, mainstream consumer needs the display size and battery life of a 6.1” smartphone. You’re not going to spend all day on socials like TikTok or do emails, video calls and texts for hours at good brightness on a SE or mini sized iPhone. It’s physically not possible.

Look at Apple’s decision to put out a Plus size version of it’s mid-tier iPhone and then tell me again how there’s a significant demographic that wants a smaller than 6.1” iPhone?

Smaller iPhones, regardless of high-end internals, read to mainstream consumers as older, less capable, less social capital smartphones compared to 6.1” and larger.

mini is dead. SE is only popular because a real, contemporary, full-sized iPhone starts at $799. Case closed.
Trust me, You gullible are Apple's daily bread!

Physically not possible: In 15 years of iPhone 12 years they have spent on something “physically not possible” for MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, every single day.
🤣🤦🏽
 
People want big phones. The XR / 11 is big and even if Apple put USB-C on it, I’d imagine with a 5-6 year old chassis (by 2024) they’ll be able to fit that in ok.

I think the reports of dynamic island being on an it are unlikely though.

This is the company that still sells the chassis of 2014 in the 4.7 inch Touch ID SE3.
But Apple wants money... For the average non-techie person who sees the iPhone SE at $450 and the iPhone 15 at $799, both of which have an A16 chip and are 6.1", why would they pick the iPhone 15? With the iPhone mini design, there is a clear separation of the 'budget' phone from the mainline model based on size.
 
The resolution of the 5.4 inch mini iPhone is 460 pixels per inch.
The resolution of the 6.1 inch iPhone XR and 11 was 326 pixels per inch.
So they’ve got two options, either come up with a new lower resolution for a 5.4 inch LCD display that has never been produced before, or reuse the 11 low resolution components.
Which do you think is going to be able to keep that at a $400 or so price point?
Certainly not a new resolution, and certainly not OLED

I don't think the XR/11 screen was that cheap as they have to get the substrate to curl at the edges - not as much as OLED (hence that larger bezels), but enough that I don't think it was a 'standard' LCD. Also, how much more than LCD is OLED these days? OLED fabs are expanding capacity and LCD fabs are shutting down or being converted to OLED. Finally, if the Mini sold as poorly as we are to believe, Apple likely have a lot of 5.4" screens and chassis to hand (exactly how the original SE came around)
 
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I don't think the XR/11 screen was that cheap as they have to get the substrate to curl at the edges - not as much as OLED (hence that larger bezels), but enough that I don't think it was a 'standard' LCD. Also, how much more than LCD is OLED these days? OLED fabs are expanding capacity and LCD fabs are shutting down or being converted to OLED. Finally, if the Mini sold as poorly as we are to believe, Apple likely have a lot of 5.4" screens and chassis to hand (exactly how the original SE came around)
The next SE in iPhone Mini form factor? 😍
Don’t make me dream that would be amazing!!!

But I don’t think it will happen. The majority of people want a big phone.
 
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The next SE in iPhone Mini form factor? 😍
Don’t make me dream that would be amazing!!!
But I don’t think it will happen. The majority of people want a big phone.
F the people. Everyone who wants a big iPhone already had a choice from dozens of cheaper models. What will Apple do with the production line that made the 12 mini and 13 mini? An SE mini is the only reasonable way to reuse it. And a cheap small iPhone would be the only reason for me to retire my XR. Apple of all companies knows weight is important for a portable computer.
 
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That iPhone with an Xr form factor should have been the iPhone SE 22…

There were rumors this was the plan. The pandemic has been blamed for the decision to instead spec bump the SE 2020. Though it‘s all speculative.

It would have made sense because both the original SE and the SE 2020 actually replaced iPhones with same form factor while those legacy devices (the 5S and 8 respectively) were still available at the lowest price-point in the lineup. This would also have been the case for the iPhone 11 in March of 2022, obviously. But in March 2024, the 11 will be long dead, so if this rumor holds (and I think at this point that it will) the SE will be awakening a truly dead form factor for the first time.
 
This is bad. I personally love FaceID now but I know a few friends who are still on SE because they are not ready for FaceID yet. Apple should at least add TouchID to power button.
There's some talk of this (in this article), but it also does not make sense as it is an added cost on their lowest cost iPhone (and Apple is big on cutting things out). I'd bet against Apple having both on the phone. The super expensive Pro, sure if there was a demand for it, but the low end SE? Would bet it's going to have one validation method and save the $x.xx production cost per phone.
 
I suspect the next iPhone SE 4 will have the old notch style with Face ID and the more expensive iPhone models will have the redesigned cut out and dynamic island.
 
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