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iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Feature 6.1-Inch LCD Display With Notch
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The only hope is that Apple develops their own flip smartphone with an always on cover screen that mimics most things an Apple Watch can do, once open the screen will be large, presumably, but if it could make calls and send texts with the cover screen, you would not have to open it so much and you could fit it in your pocket.
There is a rumor that Google is working on a Google Pixel Mini smartphone, currently the Iphone Mini is the smallest smartphone you can buy from the major players, the Iphone SE 2022 is the second smallest, when you look at the overall height dimensions.
I rock the 2016 Iphone SE, I'm not a target demo because I hate smartphones, I won't carry anything larger, if I can't switch to a Samsung Flip, I'll stay with Apple and use the larger smartphone at home and take a cellular Apple Watch with me on the road, but I won't stop using the 2016 SE until the wireless carriers drop service for it, I don't care about security updates, nothing personal on the phone, no social media, some music streaming apps and that is it.
The way Apple rolls, they could easily outclass the Samsung Flip, I hope they go for it.
Wrong imho. There's no relevant market for small and expensive phones (like the iPhone 13 mini).
But there's definitely a market for small phones. Customers who want a smaller phone are not looking for all the bells and whistles.
The only reason why I still use Apple phones is because of the older SE models. I refuse to carry an Ipad in my pocket, and I don't want a screen with a notch or hole punch. I'm amazed that consumers have been ok with all the stupid things Apple has been doing with their products since Jobs died.
Except that FaceID is inferior to TouchID in every way. FaceID doesn't work while yawning, laughing, drinking, looking away, with the phone flat on my desk, in the dark with the phone on my nightstand, in my pocket, etc. etc. TouchID works in all those situations. ApplePay is a huge pain with FaceID: hold the phone near the reader, but, oops, the camera is tilted away, so "Pay with Passcode" pops up b/c FaceID doesn't work. FaceID is a technology looking for a reason to exist...it just didn't end up being useful.
Disagree. I ONLY want a small, expensive phone. If I could get an iPhone in the 5S form factor with top-of-the-line specs for around $1500, I'd be satisfied.
Never mind the shape, size, lack of deserted island, color, etc…I see the very pièce de resistance! The sim tray is back! But wait, not so fast. Since the Americans don’t travel (according to aging Tim) only the rest of the world will get it.
Apple, you created the perfect phone design in Mini 12/13. Would be a shame if we never see it again
Too friggin big. Remember when Steve Jobs pulled the first gen iPod nano out of the coin pocket of his jeans? I want me a phone that size!
Face ID is definitely taking a while to filter down through the product line but it’s definitely time to finally retire touch ID. Even people on tighter budgets deserve Face ID.
Disagree. 11pro here. I downgraded from my 12, just because I think it’s the best iPhone design and hold Apple have achieved. The only thing I’m really going without is 5g, but it’s not a deal breaker.
But that’s the thing about opinions. I have mine and you have yours. (But I’m right, just so you know).
It would be Android, so you probably wouldn't want it, but the Xperia 10 series is 'only' 5.8". Likewise the more premium Xperia 5 is ~6.1" but the form factor meant it is as wide as a Mini. There's also the Zenphone 9 and a rumoured Pixel Mini...
After playing around with an Android device for a few days (just because I have to use something currently not available on iOS) and agree. The power button reader on the cheapo Xiaomi I've been using has been perfect and I'd take one on an iPhone (ideally as an alternative/backup option to FaceID) in an instant.
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No relevant market. Of course there might be some but it’s a very small number of people.
No, no, no. The mainstream consumer will settle for a smaller smartphone like an SE if the price is low enough.
But settling is not the same as preferring.
Go talk any consumer electronics store or phone carrier across Europe or the U.S. -all of them have struggled to sell 12 and 13 mini even after they’ve been discontinued due to their 6.1” counterparts outselling them.
Price always comes before other considerations, and a vast section of consumers either can’t or won’t pay $699-$799 for a new iPhone. So they settle for a $429 one.
But if they could get a new 6.1” iPhone for $429 essentially all of them would get the 6.1” over one that is smaller.
Why? Because the average, mainstream consumer wants as much smartphone for their money as they can get -Between a bigger iPhone and a smaller one, the bigger will have a bigger display and a bigger battery.
There’s no way around the physical limitations that size differences put on smartphones.
The average, mainstream consumer needs the display size and battery life of a 6.1” smartphone. You’re not going to spend all day on socials like TikTok or do emails, video calls and texts for hours at good brightness on a SE or mini sized iPhone. It’s physically not possible.
Look at Apple’s decision to put out a Plus size version of it’s mid-tier iPhone and then tell me again how there’s a significant demographic that wants a smaller than 6.1” iPhone?
Smaller iPhones, regardless of high-end internals, read to mainstream consumers as older, less capable, less social capital smartphones compared to 6.1” and larger.
mini is dead. SE is only popular because a real, contemporary, full-sized iPhone starts at $799. Case closed.
Touch-ID on the Right side of the phone? As a left-handed guy I’d say: no thanks!
The fourth-generation iPhone SE will feature a 6.1-inch LCD display and a "notch" cutout at the top of the display, according to Display Supply Chain Consultants (DSCC) analyst Ross Young.
Young told MacRumors that he has revised his expectations for the fourth-generation iPhone SE. In October 2021, Young, who has a very good track record when providing insights into Apple's plans, said that the company is planning to release a new iPhone SE model in 2024 with a 5.7- to 6.1-inch LCD display and a hole-shaped cutout for the front-facing camera.
In retrospect, this information may have hinted that Apple was exploring adding the Dynamic Island to the fourth-generation iPhone SE, a change that seemed plausible given that, if the device is released in 2024, the Dynamic Island will be present on all four of the main iPhone models available at the time.
Young's revised forecast claims that the device will feature a 6.1-inch display with a notch. Whether the iPhone SE's notch will contain a TrueDepth camera array like other iPhone models to facilitate Face ID is not known. Some rumors indicate that the iPhone SE will not gain Face ID, instead sticking with Touch ID like previous models to keep costs down.
Moving to an all-screen design, there will no longer be space for a capacitive Touch ID Home button in the device's bottom bezel. Multiple reports, including information from MyDrivers and Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo suggest that Apple is planning to add a Touch ID Side button to the iPhone SE, much like the iPad Air and iPad mini.
The size of the fourth-generation iPhone SE's notch is not yet known, but it seems plausible that it could be narrower than it was on the iPhone XR if it does not contain components like a dot projector for Face ID because the device features Touch ID.
Chinese site MyDrivers and and leaker Jon Prosser believe that the iPhone SE is set to move to an iPhone XR-like design, which would involve eliminating the Home button. The change is likely since Apple's "SE" products so far have always used the designs of older devices.
The iPhone XR featured a 6.1-inch LCD display, and Ming-Chi Kuo has said that Apple was working on an iPhone SE with this display size. Young's latest claim thus seems to corroborate these other reports and helps to cement a clearer image of what to expect from the next-generation iPhone SE's design.
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I am interested in buying the iPhone SE 4 providing that is has:
1. Touch ID instead of Face ID
2. LCD screen with no PWM
3. Around or slightly higher priced than the current iPhone SE 2022
Touch ID is more useful when wearing masks. A larger screen size is a bonus.
1. Touch ID instead of Face ID
2. LCD screen with no PWM
3. Around or slightly higher priced than the current iPhone SE 2022
Touch ID is more useful when wearing masks. A larger screen size is a bonus.
I don’t doubt your desires but you belong to a consumer demographic that’s so small by comparison to the mainstream that you’re virtually non-existent.
Apple doesn’t create an iPhone in its lineup for niche demographics.
The iPhone 14 lineup with the new Plus sized mid-tier proves what Apple (correctly) thinks mainstream consumers want above all -bigger displays and better battery life.
Yeah, I’m also thinking a bit like you: Get a cellular Watch, and then just keep an old iPhone — whatever’s cheapest and still useable — at home.
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100% agree — And I'll add Face ID misfires when I am in bright sunshine, wearing sunglasses or spectacles.
Touch ID is simply more convenient. Finger on button and raise to wake. Boom you're in.
Face ID? Raise to wake, swipe up to open (If face recognised)… an extra step.
Touch ID is less convenient when you are actually using your phone though. Having to keep placing your finger on a button to authenticate instead of it just seeing you and authenticating.
You have a point there.
But again, that's only if Face ID actually works. Yesterday as I was out walking in the sunshine (yes, we get sun here occasionally 🙂) I had to input my passcode 3 times because Face ID was misfiring…
Same as Touch ID doesn’t work when you are wearing gloves, or have wet hands, etc etc. both have situations where they don’t work, but I’d say on balance Face ID works in more situations, and is more convenient, than Touch ID.
There will always be a market for the iPhone SE type phone. What the next one comes out it will sell. The biggest is issue that a lot of the elderly are not wanting to lose the Touch ID as my wife is elderly and not comfortable using Face ID. I have no issue with Face ID and have a iPhone 14 Pro. My wife also prefers the smaller size of her iPhone SE that I bought for her earlier this year replacing her iPhone 6. I can't see my wife replacing her phone for the foreseeable future as she does go a long time using what she is comfortable with. The only reason that she needed a new iPhone was the fact the battery finally died on her iPhone 6 and once I examined the cost of battery replacement or getting a new iPhone with 5G it was a no brainer for the wife or me.
She’ll quickly get used to Face ID and will probably like it after a while. I’ve just setup a 90 year old nun with an iPhone 14 plus, if she can do it, anyone can!