Definitely not.
It’ll be an XR or at the very best an 11.
Mini has dual cameras and OLED. Apple won’t sell an OLED + dual camera iPhone for $429 in 2023-2024.
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It’ll be an XR or at the very best an 11.
Mini has dual cameras and OLED. Apple won’t sell an OLED + dual camera iPhone for $429 in 2023-2024.
No OLED. No Touch ID side-button. No new hybrid design.
Look at the SEs track-record and then stop all this day dreaming.
XR or best case scenario an 11.
USB-C on iPhones could truly be one of man’s greatest achievements in our time. A real “moon shot” project. The stakes immense, the R&D costs enormous. Failure could mean disaster and bankruptcy. By my god, if the rumours are true they might just have gone and done it.
Good luck, Apple. Our hearts and wallets are with you! Be bold, be brave, and change the world.
But that would require r&d for a new design and front facing camera setup.
Apple doesn’t spend that kind of r&d for SEs. Never has, never will. Not for an iPhone with a <$500 price tag.
The average consumer equates new design with new product. And Apple cannot risk having anyone look at an SE and consider its value/$ or newness to be equal to the current mid-tier or Pro.
It’s more likely to see another new iPhone 8 for SE than it is that they spend r&d to rework the front-facing cameras and notch to be Face ID-less and to put Touch ID in the side-button.
Look at iPad 10 -if you want those kind of upgrades, Apple is going to slap some $100 on top of the budget-friendly price to compensate for the added r&d expenses.
A Touch ID side-button XR with a new Face ID-less notch would start at $479-$529.
«It is not yet clear if Apple will use LCD or OLED technology for the iPhone SE 4...»
«Rumors suggest that the iPhone SE will launch in 2024, with no refresh for the line planned for 2023»
With the iPhone and iPad price trend, we can expect a price between $ 600 and $ 700, twice the price of a Samsung A5x, with incomparably more advanced hardware (OLED display, great main cameras, twice the RAM and ROM, etc.).
The SE series looks like designed by the marketing department, to milk more money by Apple loyalists who kept the company alive in the dark times. Apple is exaggerating, acting like a monopolist, with no regulatory or ethical control.
«Rumors suggest that the iPhone SE will launch in 2024, with no refresh for the line planned for 2023»
With the iPhone and iPad price trend, we can expect a price between $ 600 and $ 700, twice the price of a Samsung A5x, with incomparably more advanced hardware (OLED display, great main cameras, twice the RAM and ROM, etc.).
The SE series looks like designed by the marketing department, to milk more money by Apple loyalists who kept the company alive in the dark times. Apple is exaggerating, acting like a monopolist, with no regulatory or ethical control.
Agree with the sentiment. That is how the SE now presents itself, but it’s probably less about surplus parts stock and more about extending the service life of the production tools and facilities, even if they have to be moved to lower volume locations. If you can double the profitable lifespan of the equipment then your return on investment is Next Level. Same filters down into all their suppliers who make the components. Everyone wins. Volume production 101 👍
Huh? Whichever design they base it off, it will already have a front facing camera. All of Apple’s iPhones since the X have a front-facing camera in the notch.
Same old chip? Usually the SE takes an old body design, but sticks a new chip in it.
They need their entry level flagships to be successful too or else there’s no point in making them. When the 12 Mini and 13 Mini weren’t successful, they didn’t just keep making new Minis, they went with something they thought would sell more (the equally failed 14 Plus).
What they should do is make all the 15 models appealing, but still of course make the 15 Pro and Pro Max (and/or Ultra?) even more appealing. That means going back to chips that are at least of the same generation. The way they handled the 13 series was a good idea. A15 on the 13 and a slightly better A15 on 13 Pro and Pro Max.
Nobody wants last year’s chip in this year’s newest flagship phone. Not even SE owners deserve an old chip. They’ve so far gotten the latest chip. Otherwise, it’s just an old design with an old chip. At that point most people won’t be interested.
Perhaps everything will turn out quite differently.
Of course, Apple needs a transmitter for its glasses.
And it has to be small (pocket) and fast (2x g.e.4K image information with usable fps).
With computing power that requires new battery dimensions.
That would be a really exciting step, since the leaker Jon Prosser quoted by MR is rather at home on the boring conservative side.
Of course, Apple needs a transmitter for its glasses.
And it has to be small (pocket) and fast (2x g.e.4K image information with usable fps).
With computing power that requires new battery dimensions.
That would be a really exciting step, since the leaker Jon Prosser quoted by MR is rather at home on the boring conservative side.
iPad Pro 11”
iPad Air 10.86”
iPad 10.86”
iPhone Pro 6.12”
iPhone 6.06”
iPhone SE4 6.06” (XR/11 screen size)
Moreover, the SE will be LCD since it will most likely be an XR/11 with some updated internals. So there will be even further differentiation.
Also, if we look at the legacy iPhone lineup which includes the still-available 12 and 13, there are already a dizzying array of ~6” iPhones. Adding one more is not going to change things much.
Next year, last year’s iPhone won’t have the same processor as the brand new one. That was a one time overlap in order to establish the new differentiation strategy (which, as has been pointed out, didn’t really hurt iPhone revenue - it merely shifted the product mix to the higher end model).
Expect the tiered processor strategy to continue. Whether or not that shifts sales back toward the non-Pro remains to be seen. But at any rate we should see the SE4 using a lower tier processor than the current generation iPhone Pro available at the time of its release.
Which is why I believe having an SE at the same size would be a mistake.
A key difference is they market the iPads at different sizes (well at least two of them).
You might be right but I see Apple doing something more to differentiate the SE and screen size makes the biggest difference.
Agree. The SE will remain a sub-$500 phone.
Assuming it comes in spring of 2024 which is likely based on all prior iPhone SE release timeframes, you’re close, yeah. It would most likely be the iPhone 13 still in the lineup at $599 while the 14 will occupy the $699 slot.
The 13 Mini, like 12 Mini before it, will likely exit before its larger sibling. Perhaps there is a tiny outside shot that the 13 Mini stays instead, still at $599 rather than the 13 at that price. That would both remove the redundancy of two legacy iPhones with the same processor and keep a small iPhone around for another year. But I don’t think there’s much hope for this.
Agree. I think $449 is a good target to expect. Maybe they’ll even surprise us and keep it at $429. Some have suggested the SE3 could stick around (like the iPad 9 did) enabling the SE4 to move up. Possible, but I think it has run its course based on waning sales.
They wouldn’t just put a XR/11 style front-facing camera array in SE4 and shut off cameras, or just be able to simply remove the Face ID components and leave the regular front facing selfie camera -That’s all added r&d to develop a new Face ID-less notch. Too costly in an SE.
A new low cost notch is only feasible if r&d is low enough or projected profit margins high enough for a Face ID-less notch on SE4
I’m putting my money on mid-tier and Pro iPhones 15 getting “2nd Gen Face ID” or at the very least seeing mid tier 15 move to the Dynamic Island notch.
This way Apple don’t have to spend r&d on new notch or Touch ID button and SE4 can just be a XR and get the 1st Gen notch with Face ID when it drops in Q1 2024 without threatening iPhone 15 sales.
I think the 13 mini form will more likely be used for the following SE cycle rather than this next one coming. I would love to be wrong but I expect Apple to use each broad chassis type at least twice in order to extend its serviceable lifespan. In mass production with high initial tool-up costs, the more units you can produce on that platform the more money you will make. Especially as the costs of common components tends to go down while your long term efficiency goes up.
Obviously there’s a bunch of crossover with modular reused machinery and the re-engineering of the pseudo new device, but I wouldn’t mind betting that by doing this repeatedly, Apple could squeeze an extra 30% lifetime profit from each chassis type.
For the record I think 13 mini is peak iPhone, probably never to be repeated. Most likely it will be resurrected as a future SE, but I don’t think it will happen just yet. Not before Apple has completely exhausted the rounded edges and notch form factor. My money is on XR being the next SE donor 👍
Common Apple!!! Just give us the iPhone 8 plus screen without the huge bezels and put touch id on the side that’s it!!!!! That’s what regular people want!
It would be a plus if we got a decent camera and usb c at it
It would be a plus if we got a decent camera and usb c at it
As long as they don’t do what they did with the iPad 10th gen, offering a new design at an higher cost. Most people in the market for an SE probably don’t care about design change, they probably care more about the price.
Also, as much as I like myself an all screen design, isn’t the TouchID button part of the appeal for the SE? Some people don’t want to get away from this button, or just prefer touchID as the authentification method. I feel like it would be a mistake to remove it given the purpose of this product
Incorrect!
The iPhone 13 mini is currently Apple's smallest device. It's still being made and sold. The 3rd Generation SE has the smallest screen.
My guess is that the next-generation SE will be in the 13 mini form factor, with USB-C and a single rear camera.