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I'm perfectly fine with the idea to base the next SE on the XR, even with a LCD display rather than OLED - anything but a repeat of the terribad SE 2022 with its dated design, poor battery life and crap stability issues.

One thing is for sure: the price will go up.

Tho given this revamp is only (apparently) coming out in 2024 is distressing, the current SE is a bad joke.
 
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I think the 13 mini form will more likely be used for the following SE cycle rather than this next one coming.

I think the chances for a Mini-based SE trend toward zero if the Mini graduates to a 6” screen as forecasted. The reason is, such a large decrease in screen size presents a challenging market positioning, even with the better screen tech. And, given historic sales numbers, it isn’t likely the Mini components offer better economies of scale anyway.

For the record I think 13 mini is peak iPhone…

I love the Mini form factor as well.

Why "can't" they?

A good indicator of when an OLED-based SE can reach the market is when any legacy OLED iPhone becomes available at $499. Apple eliminated that pricing slot when the LCD-based 11 bowed out in September. I would not expect its return next year, either.

Another possibility - the SE price slowly creeps up over the next few years (while OLED simultaneously trend down) , opening up enough margin for a change to the better screen tech.
 
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As long as they don’t do what they did with the iPad 10th gen, offering a new design at an higher cost. Most people in the market for an SE probably don’t care about design change, they probably care more about the price.

Also, as much as I like myself an all screen design, isn’t the TouchID button part of the appeal for the SE? Some people don’t want to get away from this button, or just prefer touchID as the authentification method. I feel like it would be a mistake to remove it given the purpose of this product
Oh they will.
I bet this new SE will be $499, while the 2022 SE sticking around in 2024 at the same $429 price.
2020 M1 Macbook Air, iPad 9, Tim likes to keep the old stuff for the peasants.
 
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Same old chip? Usually the SE takes an old body design, but sticks a new chip in it.
6 months after the main iPhone. So it’s not exactly new. Thus, same old. Besides, with iPhone 14 using the actual old chip, this new SE will definitely use an old chip and not the chip in the pro phone.
 
As long as they don’t do what they did with the iPad 10th gen, offering a new design at an higher cost. Most people in the market for an SE probably don’t care about design change, they probably care more about the price.

Also, as much as I like myself an all screen design, isn’t the TouchID button part of the appeal for the SE? Some people don’t want to get away from this button, or just prefer touchID as the authentification method. I feel like it would be a mistake to remove it given the purpose of this product
So far the iPhone SE has taken an older chassis and upgraded it and added the latest chip, unlike the base iPad with its downgrades and removed features.This would imply Face ID. Apple isn't going to make home button phones forever.
 
If Iphone SE 4 offered in form like SE 3 is DOA. iPhone SE 4, lower price and edge-to-edge display is critical. Most important change is screen size(overall frame size) that customers will like? Probably same or smaller than 6.1".
 
I love the Mini form factor as well.

Kin A. I intend to keep mine until the wheels fall off. Easily my favourite ever iPhone. It’s super modern and yet retains that elusive feel from days gone where consumer electronics were cool because they were becoming miniaturised. The halcyon days before everyone was glued to their black mirror 24/7.
 
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6 months after the main iPhone. So it’s not exactly new. Thus, same old. Besides, with iPhone 14 using the actual old chip, this new SE will definitely use an old chip and not the chip in the pro phone.

Sure, but it's a much newer chip than what was in the XR or 11 or 12, or whatever body design they end up using. It's not as if Apple are going to put a newer chip in their cheapest iPhone (SE) than they are in their most expensive (Pro)!
 
I think the chances for a Mini-based SE trend toward zero if the Mini graduates to a 6” screen as forecasted. The reason is, such a large decrease in screen size presents a challenging market positioning, even with the better screen tech. And, given historic sales numbers, it isn’t likely the Mini components offer better economies of scale anyway.



I love the Mini form factor as well.



A good indicator of when an OLED-based SE can reach the market is when any legacy OLED iPhone becomes available at $499. Apple eliminated that pricing slot when the LCD-based 11 bowed out in September. I would not expect its return next year, either.

Another possibility - the SE price slowly creeps up over the next few years (while OLED simultaneously trend down) , opening up enough margin for a change to the better screen tech.
The 13 mini form factor with an LCD screen and single rear camera would be a pretty sweet combination of size and performance, designed to a price point.
 
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You're right, the enthusiasts will buy it sure. But if someone decides to keep their phone 2 years instead of 1, or 4 years instead of 3 then Apple loses out. Higher prices along with product maturity and "boring" standard models could slowly push people away from frequent upgrades. In the end the more appealing the overall lineup is the more customers they will end up with.
I wonder if this is happening and is why they are upping service prices so much.
 
Common Apple!!! Just give us the iPhone 8 plus screen without the huge bezels and put touch id on the side that’s it!!!!! That’s what regular people want!
It would be a plus if we got a decent camera and usb c at it
I would be first with my $$$ if they did 8+ with Touch on Power
 
Will it have a battery that lasts more than 4 hours? My company supplied 2021 SEs as work phones, and if it wasn't for working from home due to Covid I would have phone the phone completely useless and always searching for a charger. Even with a battery case it barely lasts more than half a day.
 
Making the SE both larger and more expensive is counter to the entire original purpose of the SE.

Problem is if Apple wants to keep moving the ASP higher and higher with more expensive top-end products, they can't leave the bottom untouched...it will have to steadily move up in price so as not to create too great of a gap.

Seems to me that Apple wants the SE to take over the low-to-mid range so that they can have a more "current" offering in that space instead of always having 2-3 previous generations of iPhone filling out the price points.
 
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I hope the iPhone SE 4 is basically the iPad mini 6 version of the iPhone. Let me keep TouchID, but move it to the power button so I can have a little more screen.

I swore I'd never love a phone as much as I loved my jet black iPhone 7+. But when I dropped it last year, I opted for the SE 2 because of TouchID. It's been a nearly perfect phone for me.
 
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The 13 mini form factor with an LCD screen and single rear camera would be a pretty sweet combination of size and performance, designed to a price point.
I think a better, more sustainable, business case would be to keep the Mini essentially how it is today including the $599 price, and give it biannual (or even less often, sometimes) updates. It would get updated processors and modems, USB-C, eventually Dynamic Island (or under screen FaceID, once the flagship line has had it for a year or more), 120Hz screen, upgraded cameras, etc. but otherwise stay as it is today. This would position it much like the iPad Mini - priced at a premium over the larger-screened bottom rung device for those who prioritize diminutive size.
 
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