Verizon doesn't cripple windows mobile smartphones.
In many areas, the iphone crippling already goes far beyond what Verizon does (i.e. verizon wouldn't have crippled stereo bluetooth).
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Verizon doesn't cripple windows mobile smartphones.
In many areas, the iphone crippling already goes far beyond what Verizon does (i.e. verizon wouldn't have crippled stereo bluetooth).
I would say that they all suck for various reasons.
Agreed.
I disagree. I've been on both Verizon and AT&T for years and I don't think either was particularly better or worse than the other.
I don't think the Apple would let that happen. I don't think you'll see a crippled iPhone on Verizon, although I'm not particularly hopeful that it will show up in any capacity.
I depend on my cell and don't have a home phone. What stinks is that this means no iPhone for me because AT&T has horrible coverage in my area and the three places I visit most...
Boulder, CO: My home - I've hardly ever dropped a call on Verizon, but my two friends who switched to AT&T just for the iPhone now drop calls all the time. I travel all the time here (as a musician and consultant) and AT&T's service is simply dead in a great many places where Verizon works fine. That's why I switched to Verizon to begin with.
Los Angeles: I talk to my friend there daily, often as he drives from Los Angeles to Topenga. We used to have no problem, but now that he has a iPhone, he drops the call 3-4 times per trip.
NYC: Both seem to work fine until you get upstate, in which case Verizon dominates.
Vermont: Forget AT&T completely.
It's a bit maddening because the iPhone is unbelievable, yet for people like me, the network to which they're tied is simply not an option.
Will the new iPhone 3G work with Verizon?
No, but the 4G LTE version very well could !
I would bet that LTE is in the 5 or 6G iPhone. I think we've got a while before either carrier rolls that out.
IPhone Owns!... Verizon Service Owns! AT&T Blows!
There I fixed it for you. Here in SoCal Verizon has better coverage and fewer drops for me. Too bad their phones SUCK!!!
the current iphone can't,
its all up to apple. Verizon is a CDMA (code division multiple access) connection as ATT, T-mobile are GSM (TDMA). Just think of it as 2 different ways of sending data and channeling. It means you need to change the chipset and algorithm to accommidate CDMA
...i wouldn't bet on a CDMA iphone for another couple of years.
its all up to apple. Verizon is a CDMA (code division multiple access) connection as ATT, T-mobile are GSM (TDMA). Just think of it as 2 different ways of sending data and channeling. It means you need to change the chipset and algorithm to accommidate CDMA
...i wouldn't bet on a CDMA iphone for another couple of years.
Where in Vermont are you? My iPhone is showing full signal, in South Burlington. Unicel has better coverage up here than Verizon, actually, and AT&T has the towers starting in the near future. You might find yourself surprised.
Not sure I'm reading you right, but TDMA and GSM are not the same.
Neither carrier offers TDMA service any longer.
Here's why I carry a glimmer of hope for a Verizon iPhone:
1. FACT: Verizon is opening their network to non-Verizon phones. They said something like "Any CDMA device, any app." That means Apple doesn't have to contend with the crappy Verizon interface, Vcast service, or Verizon branding.
2. FACT: Despite widespread assumption, nobody knows the length of AT&T's exclusivity deal except for insiders. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense for either AT&T or Apple to make it 5 years. Why would AT&T want exclusivity? To get switchers. You'd think that most potential switchers would have been nabbed in the first year with seriously diminishing returns after that. However I'm sure they don't mind people thinking the exclusivity is 5 years for the meantime.
3. I'm pretty sure that creating a CDMA version of the iPhone would not be very complicated for Apple. Verizon Wireless has 64 million subscribers. That's a huge potential market and each additional buyer will potentially move on to other Apple products.
Verizon's network has grown by about 12 million people in the last two years. There's a huge untapped market there - plenty of low-hanging fruit for Apple. Clearly AT&T is just not an option for many of us. It might not happen this week or even this year, but there's still reason for hope.
1. FACT: Verizon is opening their network to non-Verizon phones. They said something like "Any CDMA device, any app." That means Apple doesn't have to contend with the crappy Verizon interface, Vcast service, or Verizon branding.
2. FACT: Despite widespread assumption, nobody knows the length of AT&T's exclusivity deal except for insiders. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense for either AT&T or Apple to make it 5 years. Why would AT&T want exclusivity? To get switchers. You'd think that most potential switchers would have been nabbed in the first year with seriously diminishing returns after that. However I'm sure they don't mind people thinking the exclusivity is 5 years for the meantime.
3. I'm pretty sure that creating a CDMA version of the iPhone would not be very complicated for Apple. Verizon Wireless has 64 million subscribers. That's a huge potential market and each additional buyer will potentially move on to other Apple products.
Verizon's network has grown by about 12 million people in the last two years. There's a huge untapped market there - plenty of low-hanging fruit for Apple. Clearly AT&T is just not an option for many of us. It might not happen this week or even this year, but there's still reason for hope.
I'm not a VT resident - it's just one of those places where I spend a fair amount of time (usually outside Burlington). But even if I did live in VT, it wouldn't work for me. AT&T still isn't an option and their reception stinks outside of Burlington. Unicel (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't support visual voicemail, which to me is one of the iPhone's biggest draws.
ok... im sorry for writing this but reading the first page half way through, all i am reading is iphone is for gsm and verizon uses cdma.
It's kinda funny because it keeps going in circles so to clear this up.
IPHONE WILL NEVER WORK WITH VERIZON!
now this is true until steve jobs switches the iphones architecture to use cdma... which would be the dumbest thing since unsliced bread (with the 3g iphone rumors coming around) OR unless verizon decides to move to the gsm network.
I can tell you that cdma is faster than 2g, but the new 3g gsm network is going to out perform the cdma network.
---ok read on---
yadmonkey... i do agree with some of the things you say about verizon, but i can tell you that its not worth apple to change phones to cdma....
verizon is the only carrier in the world that uses cdma and the guy that owns over half of verizon's stock is all about the gsm network (to sum it up).
and of course, verizon has already anounced that it is starting to switch the to next 4g model.. which 53399 already said... the Long-Term Evolution (LTE).
verizonites will just have to wait for their move to fully switch to start using iphones.
It's kinda funny because it keeps going in circles so to clear this up.
IPHONE WILL NEVER WORK WITH VERIZON!
now this is true until steve jobs switches the iphones architecture to use cdma... which would be the dumbest thing since unsliced bread (with the 3g iphone rumors coming around) OR unless verizon decides to move to the gsm network.
I can tell you that cdma is faster than 2g, but the new 3g gsm network is going to out perform the cdma network.
---ok read on---
yadmonkey... i do agree with some of the things you say about verizon, but i can tell you that its not worth apple to change phones to cdma....
verizon is the only carrier in the world that uses cdma and the guy that owns over half of verizon's stock is all about the gsm network (to sum it up).
and of course, verizon has already anounced that it is starting to switch the to next 4g model.. which 53399 already said... the Long-Term Evolution (LTE).
verizonites will just have to wait for their move to fully switch to start using iphones.
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I'm sorry, but I can't see Apple making a phone that will work on a single carrier. The GSM phone will work on most every carrier in the world. The markets Apple's going after don't even have CDMA service.
A CDMA iPhone is VERY unlikely to happen because the US is one of a few countries in the world that CDMA technology is regularly used. The only way we would see an iPhone on Verizon is when Verizon switches over the LTE and Apple makes and LTE iPhone.
By some estimations, Apple already owns 28% of the smartphone market. If 28% of Verizon's smartphone business wouldn't be a significant number, then nobody would be making smartphones for Verizon.
Yeah, CDMA isn't big around the world, but it's at least 80 million users big (Verizon including Alltel acquisition) here in the USA. By your logic, nobody would be making phones for Verizon in the first place. And I'm pretty sure the USA is one of the markets Apple is going after.
And I don't think it would be that big of a technical challenge for Apple to add a CDMA version of their iPhone. Plenty of companies make multiple versions of their phones and PDAs.
Apple has sold more than 4 million iPhones worldwide. If they came to Verizon and only 2 percent of Verizon customers bought iPhones in the first year, they'd sell an additional 1,600,000 phones. Don't underestimate the presence of CDMA in the United States and don't overestimate the difficulty of making a CDMA version of the iPhone.
OK, sorry to continue this thread but I have a related question ...
Will the new iPhone 3G work with Verizon?
To make a CDMA iPhone (verizion/sprint) and a GSM iPhone (AT&T/T-Mobile) you would have to redesign many of the iPhones internal parts. However the razor (when it was popular
) eventualy was made for CDMA and GSM. The 3G iPhone most likely will be only for GSM for a few years (or forever...)