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iPhone With Apple Pencil Support Could Launch 'As Early As 2019'

I don't see the issue. I think Steve was referring to the improved usability of the stylus free iPhone over the Palm Pilot which required a stylus. He was talking about making it easy to operate and enter data on a tiny mobile device.

When Samsung brought out the Note, they invented a new segment - the Phablet. A stylus makes sense with a phablet. And that is why it makes sense to have an Apple Pencil for a larger iPhone. I do think however that it needs to be small enough to be integrated into a slot within the device like the Samsung Note version
 
What's great about Apple is that they are not held back by the past. That was 10 years ago. Practically the stone age of cell phones, and certainly, touch screen devices. At that time, you had to use styluses with touch screens to have any form of precision better than a finger size dot. Then Apple showed up with the iphone. Where somehow you could have stylus-like precision using just your fat fingers. It was a amazing, and by comparison, the stylus was dead and had no benefits to offer. Fast forward today, we are demanding more from our phones. We want to be even more precise. A stylus will fit into some use cases. Not everyday tasks, but there will be cases when you'll pull the pencil out of your bag.
 
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Delgibbons said:
The note 8 has a Wacom digitizer remember.

The Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is the only current-gen smartphone that packs an S Pen. This tool, when combined with the Wacom digitizer under the curved Gorilla Glass 5 screen, supports 4,096 levels of pressure sensitivity. That’s the same kind of tech found in most graphic designer tablets.
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Too bad there’s no software that can use it. Fancy stylus and digitizer, Fisher Price Apps.
 
2019? Samsung and LG already have native stylus, support in multiple phones. Apple is lagging behind.
 
mmm1345 said:
Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."
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So people shouldn't be able to draw on their iPhones because it isn't innovative? They just should give up on that idea altogether?
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dominiongamma said:
He was wrong on this topic, with a pencil the iPhone can compete with the note phones for business people and improve productivity
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He wasn't even wrong. He was right that a stylus is bad as a way of navigating a smartphone UI. He was correct, which is why you don't see that anymore, anywhere.

He wasn't claiming people should never be able to draw or do other things you can do with the pencil today.
 
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By developing an iPhone that is compatible with an Apple Pencil, Apple are increasing the choice people will have. Since when has having MORE choice been seen as a negative? I welcome the added choice. No-one is going to be forced to interact with their iPhones using a Pencil, the option to use your fingers will still be there.

I think some people just have a need to have something to complain about!
 
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OneMike said:
This is an Apple thing to do. Instead of being like Samsung where a pen is provided. Give the ability to add one, at a price, oh and only the Apple one.
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I don't think Apple Pencil could be put inside the iPhone like the Samsung's Notes.
 
mmm1345 said:
Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."
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Apple takes longer because Apple does it right. Look at facial recognition. The one Samsung has is crap.

Here is a definition of innovate - to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.

See how it says make changes in anything established. We all know that is what Apple does. They take an existing idea and make it great and mass marketable. Ok, lesson for the day is over.
 
Support for Apple Pencil, like you will be able to draw on Notes and Procreate if you happen to have one next to you; not require it to operate the phone. Jesus... I swear you guys are the most dramatic people ever.
 
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bwainwright said:
The video and quotes of Steve often get rolled out whenever the Apple Pencil is discussed. However, in defence of Tim Cook, I think people are too quick to jump to those quotes/video.

At the time Steve made those comments in the keynote, pretty much all 'touch screen' devices were shockingly bad and pretty much unusable with just a finger - at least in the way we use them now. Most devices resorted to needing a stylus as the only reasonable way of interacting with the device. The iPhone changed all that, and Steve's comments were indicative of that shift in technology. Here'a device with a touch screen so good, so accurate, so responsive that you can use it entirely without a stylus, unlike 98% of devices on the market at that time. It was a game changer.

The Apple Pencil is an optional stylus. You don't need it. You can use the iPad Pro without the Pencil. But with it, you can write naturally or be more precise.

In that sense, I don't think Steve's comments are completely out of sync with the existence of the Pencil?
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A thousand times this.

I have nothing else to add as you summed it up perfectly.
 
When Steve Jobs dissed the stylus, it was at a time of very poorly made smartphones with terrible software.

I have to say that Samsung has proven on the Note 8 that a stylus can be implemented in a very functional way. I currently own a Note 8 as I wait for and consider the iPhone X and I find it surprisingly useful. You slide it into the phone when not in use and thus doesn't get lost and it's with you everywhere. It's great for taking quick notes like grocery lists, translations, selecting text on small screens etc. It's also very accurate and it's no surprise that Apple wants to copy it.
 
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If Apple's big idea is reconsidering pencils for a f-ng phone, they need new ideas.

Thats like 3 lines in the keynote.
 
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Beeplance said:
"Who wants a stylus for their phones? You've to put it away, you lose em, YUCK"
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Maybe you forget, but before 2007 there was a time that you had to use a stylus to actually get touchscreen to respond to your actions reliably. Because of that, styli were pretty much standard on all smartphones with touch displays.

Jobs said the stylus should not be the primary input method to your phone, not that phone could or should never have styli.
 
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deanthedev said:
Too bad there’s no software that can use it. Fancy stylus and digitizer, Fisher Price Apps.
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Only Adobe, Microsoft, Squid... Google...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stuff.tv/features/7-best-free-apps-use-galaxy-note-8s-s-pen-stylus?_format=amp

And Pen-up.

https://m.penup.com/intro#introLanding

And the Note 8 can be used as a wacom style tablet for PC

https://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-use-the-Galaxy-Note-8-as-a-graphics-tablet-on-your-PC_id97919

Looks pretty good to me...

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For their 6.5 iPhone XS Pro maybe?

Better start selling my body now! Any Weinsteins of this world interested?

jamface said:
It's hardly the most greaceful charging solution ever, but let's be honest, you have to be a fkng idiot to actually allow this to happen to something you spent $99 on.
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This almost happened to me the day i got my iPad Pro and the first time i plugged in the Pen. Its just odd to plug in this way
 
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bwainwright said:
The video and quotes of Steve often get rolled out whenever the Apple Pencil is discussed. However, in defence of Tim Cook, I think people are too quick to jump to those quotes/video.

At the time Steve made those comments in the keynote, pretty much all 'touch screen' devices were shockingly bad and pretty much unusable with just a finger - at least in the way we use them now. Most devices resorted to needing a stylus as the only reasonable way of interacting with the device. The iPhone changed all that, and Steve's comments were indicative of that shift in technology. Here'a device with a touch screen so good, so accurate, so responsive that you can use it entirely without a stylus, unlike 98% of devices on the market at that time. It was a game changer.

The Apple Pencil is an optional stylus. You don't need it. You can use the iPad Pro without the Pencil. But with it, you can write naturally or be more precise.

In that sense, I don't think Steve's comments are completely out of sync with the existence of the Pencil?
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Thank you! I agree. The pencil is a wonderful tool on an iPad. And if future iPhones can be "compatible" with it... all the power to Apple. I don't think many people would buy a Pencil if they had just the iPhone. I don't get why people are so pissed about it.

Of course if Apple creates a whole new stylus which is completely different from the current Pencil (or whatever version of Pencil exists in 2019), that would be stupid. But only time will tell what is going to happen.

I can't believe people get so agitated and start spewing insults about Cook and nostalgia about Jobs on a random rumor of something slated to happen in 2019.
 
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I think Steve Jobs was referring with this statement to smartphones back in these days for which it was inevitable to use a pencil, just because they were not usable without one or at least it was a mess using them without one.

The Apple Pencil is a completely different product. It adds some functionality for artists and creatives - but you won't need it for everyday use of the device.

EDIT: Saw the quote in the post above mine right after posting - doubled something which was already said.
 
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