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I do not think there is anything wrong with adding support for the pencil, but I do not think it needs to be bundled with the phone (eg. note).
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Thank you! I agree. The pencil is a wonderful tool on an iPad. And if future iPhones can be "compatible" with it... all the power to Apple. I don't think many people would buy a Pencil if they had just the iPhone. I don't get why people are so pissed about it.

Of course if Apple creates a whole new stylus which is completely different from the current Pencil (or whatever version of Pencil exists in 2019), that would be stupid. But only time will tell what is going to happen.

I can't believe people get so agitated and start spewing insults about Cook and nostalgia about Jobs on a random rumor of something slated to happen in 2019.

That is my take on it. Why not support the pencil. If you want it great, if not it is irrelevant.
 

As I said, Fisher Price Apps. Nothing to match what’s available on iOS.

And using a phone as a drawing tablet? When the support varies from App to App and major ones don’t even get access to pressure support? Who would even bother trying to do anything productive on such a tiny screen?
 
I feel like this rumor is misguided. I think they are simply continuing to develop newer stylus tech for iPad use with adoption across the line. I’m betting this source is connecting invisible lines or mistranslated a source.

I don’t see Apple packing a stylus into the iPhone. They might add support at some point if you have one sitting around from your iPad, but prioritizing a stylus for the iPhone experience won’t be one of their tentpole keynote announcements. My two cent guess anyway...
 
As I said, Fisher Price Apps. Nothing to match what’s available on iOS.

And using a phone as a drawing tablet? When the support varies from App to App and major ones don’t even get access to pressure support? Who would even bother trying to do anything productive on such a tiny screen?

You'd be surprised with a high NITS and DPI QHD screen what can actually get done ;-)


iOS is the very definition of a Fisher Price OS since iOS 7.

A total mess. Clearing notifications on my iPad one by one as the cross occasionally randomly disappears. Nightmare. Multiple areas of recently used apps look weird. Wifi off isn't really off.

Bottom dock vanishes and reappears on the homescreen for no reason.

Stuttering and frame drops.
 
Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."

Yawn. Just yesterday people were complaining that Face ID was being too aggressive because "no one asked for it." It's clear that Apple is better off trusting their own instincts than listening to any tech site forum, since they are running a successful business and none of us are ever in the position to make these hugely influential calls. And I personally am glad Apple doesn't just vomit out conceptual junk and hope it sticks the way Samsung does often and the way Google has tried with various ill-fated services.
 
BTW, is there anything specific about the screens/digitizers on iPad Pros that enables them to work with a Pencil, or is it just software?
 
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The video and quotes of Steve often get rolled out whenever the Apple Pencil is discussed. However, in defence of Tim Cook, I think people are too quick to jump to those quotes/video.

At the time Steve made those comments in the keynote, pretty much all 'touch screen' devices were shockingly bad and pretty much unusable with just a finger - at least in the way we use them now. Most devices resorted to needing a stylus as the only reasonable way of interacting with the device. The iPhone changed all that, and Steve's comments were indicative of that shift in technology. Here'a device with a touch screen so good, so accurate, so responsive that you can use it entirely without a stylus, unlike 98% of devices on the market at that time. It was a game changer.

The Apple Pencil is an optional stylus. You don't need it. You can use the iPad Pro without the Pencil. But with it, you can write naturally or be more precise.

In that sense, I don't think Steve's comments are completely out of sync with the existence of the Pencil?

^ This. That quote is a gross misrepresentation, taken out of context, when used in this article. There were smartphones before the iPhone, but they were miniaturized windows desktops that required a stylus to operate. That is what Steve Jobs was referring to. That is the problem the iPhone solved.
 
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The "charging attached to the iPad" is the typical thing that everyone without a Pencil complain about while everyone owning it does not (and actually like it a lot, after noticing the rapidity of charging). Personally I've never used the cable charging once. You get from 0 to 100% connecting the Pencil to the iPad in the time of a coffee break...
 
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Can we please stop referring to the Steve Jobs remark every time the Apple Pencil is mentioned? That was years ago. We live in a different world now. The Apple Pencil is in no way the stylus Steve referred to.
 
1. It'll be the exact same Apple Pencil that is available for the latest iPad at that time.
2. I use the Pencil on my 10.5 iPad, I have it in my pocket right now, I just pretended to use it on my 4.7 screen. I'm not sure that it will be a good experience writing on a phone with that size screen. This should be available for Plus size devices only.
3. MR readers, stop moaning about the male lightning connector. It is infinitely more useful to have that than the female connector. Of all the things to pick holes in about the Pencil, I'd leave that one alone.
 
Well, I don't get why are people moaning and quoting what Steve said 10 years ago. I don't believe an Apple Pencil for the iPhone will replace the finger in terms of navigating iOS. There are much more creative uses than that. For example, I would love to have one for quick sketching and precision photo editing.
 
Apple takes longer because Apple does it right. Look at facial recognition. The one Samsung has is crap.

Here is a definition of innovate - to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.

See how it says make changes in anything established. We all know that is what Apple does. They take an existing idea and make it great and mass marketable. Ok, lesson for the day is over.

"Apple is innovative because they take the time to get it right." this is such a lame and tired excuse.
 
Yawn. Just yesterday people were complaining that Face ID was being too aggressive because "no one asked for it." It's clear that Apple is better off trusting their own instincts than listening to any tech site forum, since they are running a successful business and none of us are ever in the position to make these hugely influential calls. And I personally am glad Apple doesn't just vomit out conceptual junk and hope it sticks the way Samsung does often and the way Google has tried with various ill-fated services.

yet when Apple introduces something new abd conceptual - which, other than their touchbar they haven't done in yrs, then it becomes magical and innovative?
 
Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."

This is BAD.
 
1. It'll be the exact same Apple Pencil that is available for the latest iPad at that time.
2. I use the Pencil on my 10.5 iPad, I have it in my pocket right now, I just pretended to use it on my 4.7 screen. I'm not sure that it will be a good experience writing on a phone with that size screen. This should be available for Plus size devices only.
3. MR readers, stop moaning about the male lightning connector. It is infinitely more useful to have that than the female connector. Of all the things to pick holes in about the Pencil, I'd leave that one alone.

it'll be for a bigger screen phone
 
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You'd be surprised with a high NITS and DPI QHD screen what can actually get done ;-)


iOS is the very definition of a Fisher Price OS since iOS 7.

A total mess. Clearing notifications on my iPad one by one as the cross occasionally randomly disappears. Nightmare. Multiple areas of recently used apps look weird. Wifi off isn't really off.

Bottom dock vanishes and reappears on the homescreen for no reason.

Stuttering and frame drops.

Yet iOS completely dominates Android in enterprise and corporate use. And has far superior Apps, especially in the areas of illustration, editing or anything graphically related.
 
Lol. Typical. Apple pooh-poohs something somebody else does then x-amount of time later brings out that same tech and Apple fans fawn all over it all the while tripping over themselves to try and explain away the comments their messiah made about it previously.

Steve Jobs: "Who wants a stylus? You've got to put it away, you lose em, YUCK. Nobody wants a stylus"

Apple fans today: "Well what he meant was....." "He was really talking about...."
 
Lol. Typical. Apple pooh-poohs something somebody else does then x-amount of time later brings out that same tech and Apple fans fawn all over it all the while tripping over themselves to try and explain away the comments their messiah made about it previously.

Steve Jobs: "Who wants a stylus? You've got to put it away, you lose em, YUCK. Nobody wants a stylus"

Apple fans today: "Well what he meant was....." "He was really talking about...."

It has been said many times in this thread, but that was a different era. It was before touch screen phones were really around. All of the "touch screen" phones in 2007 used a stylus to interact with the display. That is what Jobs was referring to.
 
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Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."

Remember when Apple competitors designed the worlds fastest ARM processors? Or incorporated NVMe into their devices while the rest stuck with UFS or eMMC? Or developed their own programming language from scratch? Added color management and calibrated displays to their devices? Put a neural processor or custom GPU in their SoC?

Oh wait, they didn’t.
 
Lol. Typical. Apple pooh-poohs something somebody else does then x-amount of time later brings out that same tech and Apple fans fawn all over it all the while tripping over themselves to try and explain away the comments their messiah made about it previously.

Steve Jobs: "Who wants a stylus? You've got to put it away, you lose em, YUCK. Nobody wants a stylus"

Apple fans today: "Well what he meant was....." "He was really talking about...."
Yea always a CEO is talking about the present and near future,for sales of current products is a must. You really thought that Steve would said " nobody wants a stylus for now,but when we will have a better and bigger display..."
 
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