iPhone X Design Outdated

[Knowimagination]

The thick silver metal rim of the X just looks so yesteryear.

Yeah well thats just like... your opinion man... /thedude

I never understand why people can't just accept that people are different and like different things.

 

[KRG]

Just look at which phone is prettier/ nicer design wise. The phone on the left that will be available only end of year/ January 2018 or the phone on the right that was out since March/ April 2017. To me it's the right one.

All a matter of preference. The S8 is nice looking, but boring to me. Aside from the bezel-free sides there's nothing special about the design. The Samsung does look more hi-tech, but the iPhone X has a lot more character, front and rear. I dunno, I like the X. I always thought the iPhone 6-8 was a step in the wrong direction (aka bland), but the X brings the Apple charm back.
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I never understand why people can't just accept that people are different and like different things.

People are incredibly egocentric. Just look at the state of the world. It's human nature.

 

[flat five]

The thick silver metal rim of the X just looks so yesteryear.

i think the metal might actually be smaller than it appears in some of Apple's promo shots and that the bezel might be thicker.. for example, look at this picture (or others from the iPhone event and/or real life pictures)

in this picture, the metal looks a lot less bulky than some of the other pictures/renders in this thread while the bezel looks wider..

idk, i really think we're just going to have to wait until we hold these things in our own hands and see them with our own eyes until we can make actual judgement.

the shape and reflectivity of the stainless steel, as well as the shape of the glass (it's curved downwards around the edges and under this curved part, i believe, is the bezeled area)--- does weird things in different lighting / angles..

we've seen a lot of pictures so far but i honestly don't think anybody who hasn't actually held the thing truly knows what it looks like. 😉

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[DNichter]

i think the metal might actually be smaller than it appears in some of Apple's promo shots and that the bezel might be thicker.. for example, look at this picture (or others from the iPhone event and/or real life pictures)

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in this picture, the metal looks a lot less bulky than some of the other pictures/renders in this thread while the bezel looks wider..

idk, i really think we're just going to have to wait until we hold these things in our own hands and see them with our own eyes until we can make actual judgement.

the shape and reflectivity of the stainless steel, as well as the shape of the glass (it's curved downwards around the edges and under this curved part, i believe, is the bezeled area)--- does weird things in different lighting / angles..

we've seen a lot of pictures so far but i honestly don't think anybody who hasn't actually held the thing truly knows what it looks like. 😉

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From all of the hands on pictures, I think the X looks amazing. Very futuristic. I agree with you though, I don't think we'll fully appreciate it until we hold it.

 

[Hankster]

They could've fixed the notch issue via software like many devs proposed to 'cut off' and make it black at the top since it's an oled screen.

And if they could've reduced the bezels on the sides (which are huge compared to other new phones coming out) the 'X' design could've still differentiated itself apart from other phones.

Instead they went full on notch just for the sake of differentiation I guess. It was not necessary at all and created a big UI mess which most devs talk about.

Let's face it: ALL phones in very near future are just going to be a sheet of glass. No more bezels. What will set them all apart is the UI/ UX.

So that's why in my opinion it was a wrong decision for Apple to go this way because they won't be easily changing it again and will be like this for at least 5 years if not longer.

It's just sad that Apple missed the opportunity to create an amazing stunner. The only feeling like that I had when Galaxy S8 was released. And Apple did not outdo Samsung even with FaceID and the stupid Animojis.

Just look at which phone is prettier/ nicer design wise. The phone on the left that will be available only end of year/ January 2018 or the phone on the right that was out since March/ April 2017. To me it's the right one.

Amazing how you think developing and manufacturing a device is as easy to drawing one in a software program. You are on planet delusional.

 

[irobots]

Only reason why I don’t like the S8 design is that I hate touching the screen. And you hold it on the side without touching the screen. It bothers me. A lot.

 

[flat five]

From all of the hands on pictures, I think the X looks amazing. Very futuristic. I agree with you though, I don't think we'll fully appreciate it until we hold it.

heh, tbh, i’m guessing photos aren’t doing this thing justice.

many times, an object can be made to look better in a photograph but i don’t think that’s the case with the shape details & material being used on the X..

if i had to make a guess, i’d bet at least half of the people touting ‘ugly/ bulky/ outdated/ etc” will change their opinions upon seeing it in real life..

same for the notch gripes because it’s as if Apple has exaggerated the notch in their promos by using super contrasty images.. in real world, i don’t think the notch will jump out to the same degree.

we’ll see soon enough 😉

 

[Hankster]

Not saying the 'X' is total trash.

But it's just not "wow" like Apple used to be.

Like I said I was so hoping to switch back to iPhone but it did not wow me enough and them not giving X the iPad Pro iOS version with the dock & multitasking is also disappointing.

iOS on the iPhone has not made any real advancements in ages. Still same old icon grid. Can't adjust anything unlike on Android.

Not every new phone will have "wow" factors. You realize technology only does so much. I assume you're in the generation who thinks everything needs to be now and your lust for instant gratification is greatly impacting your ability to use common sense. Technology leaps forward every 10-15 years, then it plateaus. This happens in all industry. You can't expect breakthrough technology each year even every few years.

This is real life, not Star Wars or Star Trek kid.

 

[irobots]

To be honest, the Pixel XL and the iPhone X have the best design for holding the phone. Having a bezel less screen is impractical for a robust day to day lifestyle. Screen might be better in Samsung’s offering but stock software is the best type of software.

 

[MrX8503]

I found this on Apple's site that not many people are talking about. I think what Apple is doing to get the display to the edge is pretty innovative. Every Android phone still has a chin.

 

[TravisPNW]

Just look how long the iPhone 6 design has been around. 4 years now and they call it 'iPhone 8'.

Wouldn't September 2014 be 3 years?

I'm happy with the 8 Plus and don't consider the design to be "dated" but then again I don't find bezels nearly as annoying as a notch.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Its a fact by most people so its a fact.

That, my dear friend, is not how facts work.

 

[akash.nu]

Wouldn't September 2014 be 3 years?

I'm happy with the 8 Plus and don't consider the design to be "dated" but then again I don't find bezels nearly as annoying as a notch.

I don’t mind the notch as much anymore but bought the 8 plus for reasons absolutely unrelated to the screen / notch.

 

[Dave245]

It’s all down to personal opinion, I personally like the design of the iPhone X and will be pre-ordering one next Friday. The notch gives it a different look from any Samsung phone, none of us have had chance to go hands on with it yet so let’s not judge a book by its cover, the iPhone X will probably beat out any Samsung phone in benchmarks, Face ID will probably be a lot more secure and easy to use. Let’s just wait and see.

 

[spacemnspiff]

Its absolutely a new design on the S8....thanks and for proof:

The flagship phone's most recognisable stand-out feature is its stunning design language. It is so unique that if it is grouped with 10 other smartphones of various brands, one can easily identify the Galaxy S8 even from a distance.

The Infinity Display feature makes the Galaxy S8's screen cascade to the middle of the chassis on both sides, whereas the top and bottom part of the display is stretched to the limit leaving very little space for camera, Iris scanner and other sensors on the top.

With so much space dedicated for the screen, it is a treat watching videos and play graphics-rich game on the Galaxy S8, given the fact it has so much pixels () cramped in to it.

[FYI: Screen resolution: WQHD+ (2960x1440p); Pixel density: more than 570 ppi (pixels per inch)]

It's unarguably the most beautiful design language we have seen for a smartphone.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/samsung-ga...-design-language-meets-stunning-camera-737964

Just keep being in denial of this true beauty. 🙄😀

I don't think you understand the nuance of my arguments made in the previous post. I was arguing about the design of the phone apart from the screen, the band frame and the back are carryover from the previous generations S6 & S7. Now that we have established that the design is not new, I don't think we can argue about iPhone design being old because everyone does it, even the recent Pixel line updates indicate that. The reason is far more generic than the newness for the sake of new, it's that smartphone innovation has reached a plateau, which is well understood.

The next paradigm in innovation won't be smartphone as seen by the plot below, we are way past the frenzy and the scaling phase of a product cycle. Next paradigm might be a new device or technologies and may take a while.

And having said that, S8 is no doubt a beautiful phone, but is not a new design. The compromise made for screen larger in the front by moving the fingerprint sensor to the back is unacceptable to me.

Apple on the other hand, seems like, is not willing to make that same compromise of moving the fingerprint sensor in the back, and so, is introducing FaceID authentication on the front of the phone. I am skeptical about it's wide adoption, as much as TouchID. We will see.

 

[TravisPNW]

I don’t mind the notch as much anymore but bought the 8 plus for reasons absolutely unrelated to the screen / notch.

Same here. I went with the 8 Plus because I was happy with 2 years of the 6s Plus... preferred the Plus size screen and knew exactly what I would be getting... a hardware upgrade over what I had while maintaining Touch ID.

Availability was also important.

The notch didn't really factor in my decision, but I still think it's ugly. 🙂

 

[akash.nu]

Same here. I went with the 8 Plus because I was happy with 2 years of the 6s Plus... preferred the Plus size screen and knew exactly what I would be getting... a hardware upgrade over what I had while maintaining Touch ID.

Availability was also important.

The notch didn't really factor in my decision, but I still think it's ugly. 🙂

Indeed. I think the notch is a bad design but sometimes such compromises has to be made. They did what they could. I bought the 8 plus coming from a regular size 6. I wanted to try the dual camera system and didn’t want to be using a first gen product. Other than the OLED screen, the 8 plus is every bit of X. So chose to be safe than sorry.

 

[Jimpilot]

I think the important point missed here is when you touch your Samsung you get ANDRIOD. Game over.

 

[sumsingwong]

that’s the frame you’re pointing to on the X.. the bezel is the thin black line between the frame and display.

Look at all that black on each side.

 

[flat five]

Look at all that black on each side.

yeah, it’s hard to judge from that image but i think you might be right. there’s a reflection on the glass that sort of looks like it could be part of the steel but i’m now thinking the steel is thinner than it appears there and it’s bezel under the reflection.

or, i’m now seeing it more in the way of how you saw it in the first place ; )

 

[ANDJOE]

The notch really isn’t a different design philosophy than the iPhone battery case Apple makes.
They are owning the fact that the phone is bezel-less but still requires front facing hardware.

 

[IGotOne]

So you're basing everything on your opinion and unverified reports but when Apple come and out say this was in the works for years, you don't believe them? Very odd. This level of technology certainly wasn't a last minute resort.

In term of taking up 'NONE of your front real estate', where would the front facing camera and earpiece go then?

Yes, I'm basing everything on the DOZENS of reports that Apple struggled finding a way to integrate Touch ID under the screen and that they eventually abandoned it in order to not delay the release. Since you refuse to believe they were, let's flip it around: If their first choice all along was Face ID, why even bother with something that challenging (Touch ID, under the brand new OLED screen), all the way up until to months before release???? Why not start touting Face ID as the "future" from day one? Pretty obviously: because this is RETROACTIVE spin. They didn't want to use it, they simply HAD to use it. Why is that such an unbelievable thing to accept given all the leaks/reports?

And as far as the earpiece, front facing camera, and proximity sensor, those at MINIMUM would have taken up less space (so maybe a tiny "divot" on the very top of the screen) OR could have possibly been relocated to the extreme edges. They just don't take up much space, especially in comparison to the full Face ID suite of camera, dot projector, and IR illuminator, nor (with the exception of the ff camera) do they need to be precisely located like the Face ID components do. Again, it's fair to say even if they couldn't relocate any of the NON-Face ID components, the remaining real estate needed would be smaller, leading to a less obnoxious notch.

The million dollar question remains:

If you could choose Touch ID or Face ID (and everything else was equal), even if there was NO notch, why would the VAST majority of people choose Touch ID? Some of that is familiarity, sure, but it's also because Touch ID wasn't broken to begin with.

Apple (and the great "designer" Ive... who was great up until about October of 2011, then for some reason, not so much...) have sold a bunch of people on a white lie that Face ID is somehow vastly superior to Touch ID, and how it's a feature that should somehow compel you to buy the X.

They are MASTERS of spin

 

[flat five]

let's flip it around: If their first choice all along was Face ID, why even bother with something that challenging (Touch ID, under the brand new OLED screen),

they weren't sure if they could get faceID secure enough for financial transactions.. there was a point when touchID may have been included in a phone along with faceID in order to get the amount of security necessary for banking/ApplePay/etc..

once they figured out a way to get faceID to its current level of security, they dropped the two factor ID and stuck with the original goal of facial recognition..

all the way up until to months before release????

Apple ordered all the OLED panels for the X from Samsung earlier this year.. there was no more trying to get touchID under screen for the X after that point.. the design had been settled.. likely last year.. the displays were being made. displays that couldn't have touchID under it.

everything you were reading 'months before release' well, so what.. they were b.s rumors..
there's no way Apple was still trying to get touchID in the X in June2017 (or whenever it is you believe they were)

 

[ray6712]

Yes, I'm basing everything on the DOZENS of reports that Apple struggled finding a way to integrate Touch ID under the screen and that they eventually abandoned it in order to not delay the release. Since you refuse to believe they were, let's flip it around: If their first choice all along was Face ID, why even bother with something that challenging (Touch ID, under the brand new OLED screen), all the way up until to months before release???? Why not start touting Face ID as the "future" from day one? Pretty obviously: because this is RETROACTIVE spin. They didn't want to use it, they simply HAD to use it. Why is that such an unbelievable thing to accept given all the leaks/reports?

And as far as the earpiece, front facing camera, and proximity sensor, those at MINIMUM would have taken up less space (so maybe a tiny "divot" on the very top of the screen) OR could have possibly been relocated to the extreme edges. They just don't take up much space, especially in comparison to the full Face ID suite of camera, dot projector, and IR illuminator, nor (with the exception of the ff camera) do they need to be precisely located like the Face ID components do. Again, it's fair to say even if they couldn't relocate any of the NON-Face ID components, the remaining real estate needed would be smaller, leading to a less obnoxious notch.

The million dollar question remains:

If you could choose Touch ID or Face ID (and everything else was equal), even if there was NO notch, why would the VAST majority of people choose Touch ID? Some of that is familiarity, sure, but it's also because Touch ID wasn't broken to begin with.

Apple (and the great "designer" Ive... who was great up until about October of 2011, then for some reason, not so much...) have sold a bunch of people on a white lie that Face ID is somehow vastly superior to Touch ID, and how it's a feature that should somehow compel you to buy the X.

They are MASTERS of spin

How exactly do you know it’s not without having the phone to test personally? It’s easy to have an assumption that they were working on getting Touch ID under the display all along based on reports by people outside of Apple how do you know that they didn’t see this as a viable or even better replacement?

 

[Shanghaichica]

I found this on Apple's site that not many people are talking about. I think what Apple is doing to get the display to the edge is pretty innovative. Every Android phone still has a chin.

The display is not on the edge because it has a bezel going all the way round and a top chin (notch).