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And go back to inferior LCD displays? I guess they could, as they've done it with the Intel baseband chips.
They will walk away when it suits them. They invested in LG and eventually will probably bring most or all iPhone parts in house.

LCD isn't necessarily inferior in many ways...

Apple's OLED from Samsung is even better than Samsung's OLED from Samsung.
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I am sure that many like it. Which wasn't my point. My point was that this is the first phone Apple has built that a lot of folks hate. Perhaps 50% love it but if 50% hate it, then Apple is going to loose a lot of income. A lot.

Anyway, lets revisit this conversation in a Year;s time. Be interesting to see what really will happen !
You're making up numbers. You have no way of knowing 50% like it and 50% hate it.

I can tell you of iPhone X owners, way more than 50% of them are happy with their purchase.

Apple isn't going to lose a lot of income on the X. Quite the opposite. In fact, they are going to sell more phones and have more revenue than any quarter in history. $87B is the number Apple said they'd hit and this proves the X is going to be a bigger part of the record-breaking quarter.
 
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They will walk away when it suits them. They invested in LG and eventually will probably bring most or all iPhone parts in house.

LCD isn't necessarily inferior in many ways...

Apple's OLED from Samsung is even better than Samsung's OLED from Samsung.
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You're making up numbers. You have no way of knowing 50% like it and 50% hate it.

I can tell you of iPhone X owners, way more than 50% of them are happy with their purchase.

Apple isn't going to lose a lot of income on the X. Quit the opposite. In fact, they are going to sell more phones and have more revenue than any quarter in history. $87B is the number Apple said they'd hit and this proves the X is going to be a bigger part of the record-breaking quarter.

You should calm down and read what others and I write. Then you wouldn't make such weird comments all the time...
I said perhaps and If. Both words convey conjecture.

For the record, your own person is the one making up facts. As you have no idea whether Apple will make the numbers.
Also, you have garnered very little experience and knowledge about statistics.

Time will tell. Personally I hope for Apple that they will do well with the iPhone X. Although in my opinion the iPhone X merely reflects all that has gone wrong the past 6 years in general quality of management within Apple. Their Primus Motor left this world and while it will take time to bring down a company the size of Apple the inevitable will happen if a company keeps producing products of low satisfactory to the users.

Where 99.9% used to love and cuddle their products now more and more are not feeling this way anymore and if you Sir have not noticed this, then you have not been using Apple products for/since a very long time.
 
The X is taller but narrower than the Plus, and has a smaller useable screen area overall.

When watching a 16:9 format video in non-crop mode (The mode where you can see the entire movie as the makers intended) the X's size is similar to the iPhone 7 (not even 7 Plus). A phone with an Aspect Ratio of 21:9 is going to put black bars on the left and right side of the display in Landscape mode. Until all movie makers begin producing movies in that format. And that is not so likely given the fact that 99% of all tvs are 16:9.

The iPhone X screen aspect ratio is great in portrait mode when reading text on a webpage. For anything else this exotic aspect ratio is a pain in the butt
 
eh, no I dont. I actually pre-ordered the iPhone X on day one. But after a family member got it before me I had chance to test it. After spending a few hours with it and seeing the family member's frantic attempts to hold his face right to get the thing to unlock and seeing movie with a notch in the scene, I called my provider and asked them to void the order and ship me an 8 Plus instead.

If you do a little research, you will surely make the experience that I am not the only one.

lol @ frantic attempts. evidently my iphone x doesn't realize im supposed to hold my face a certain way cause it just works amd works better than touchid ever did for me
 
You should calm down and read what others and I write. Then you wouldn't make such weird comments all the time...
I said perhaps and If. Both words convey conjecture.

For the record, your own person is the one making up facts. As you have no idea whether Apple will make the numbers.
Also, you have garnered very little experience and knowledge about statistics.

Time will tell. Personally I hope for Apple that they will do well with the iPhone X. Although in my opinion the iPhone X merely reflects all that has gone wrong the past 6 years in general quality of management within Apple. Their Primus Motor left this world and while it will take time to bring down a company the size of Apple the inevitable will happen if a company keeps producing products of low satisfactory to the users.

Where 99.9% used to love and cuddle their products now more and more are not feeling this way anymore and if you Sir have not noticed this, then you have not been using Apple products for/since a very long time.
What are you talking about? The $87B is as ironclad as it gets and you're literally making up numbers. You shouldn't have any conjecture if Apple said they are going to do $84-$87B. If you actually followed the company, you'd know Apple doesn't miss guidance.

I have a lot of knowledge about Apple's statistics. I follow the financials of Apple very closely. You don't know a number that I don't.
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lol @ frantic attempts. evidently my iphone x doesn't realize im supposed to hold my face a certain way cause it just works amd works better than touchid ever did for me
Right. He's just a hater that wants to feel good about not buying the X. That kind of colorful language proves he's trying to support a biased theory.
 
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What are you talking about? The $87B is as iron clad as it gets and you're literally making up numbers. You shouldn't have any conjecture if Apple said they are going to do $84-$87B. If you actually followed the company, you'd know Apple doesn't miss guidance.

Last I checked Apple did not have a crystal ball and neither were they able to predict the future.
Yes, Apple hits bullseye, every time, until it doesn't.

I believe this time, the last part after the last comma in my sentence above will be the case. I hope I will stand corrected in a year's time and I'd gladly have that. But I firmly believe that Titanic has hit its Ice berg.

In this analogy you Sir would fit perfectly as Mr. Ismay
 
You should calm down and read what others and I write. Then you wouldn't make such weird comments all the time...
I said perhaps and If. Both words convey conjecture.

For the record, your own person is the one making up facts. As you have no idea whether Apple will make the numbers.
Also, you have garnered very little experience and knowledge about statistics.

Time will tell. Personally I hope for Apple that they will do well with the iPhone X. Although in my opinion the iPhone X merely reflects all that has gone wrong the past 6 years in general quality of management within Apple. Their Primus Motor left this world and while it will take time to bring down a company the size of Apple the inevitable will happen if a company keeps producing products of low satisfactory to the users.

Where 99.9% used to love and cuddle their products now more and more are not feeling this way anymore and if you Sir have not noticed this, then you have not been using Apple products for/since a very long time.
Lol, quality management the past 6 years? What are you talking about? The products they produce today are better than 6 years ago. Are you serious right now? Apple makes a lot MORE products than 6 years ago in sheer number and models, but the quality is still there.

Apple has gone from about a $350B company in 2011 to an $800B company. Your perception of a decline in quality is in your head. Customer satisfaction is consistently over 90% and is particularly high for iPad, Airpods, and Macbooks. iPhone is always near the top and people liked the 7 more than any previous phone. The 8 and X are too new to know.

The hardware is insanely good. If anything, they've had some software quality issues lately, but they will address them (and have) as they always do.
 
I think Apple should have released the I phone X plus this year now don't get me wrong I love my X but a bigger version would really kick butt its a shame little Timmy didn't have all his ducks in a row to get the job done this year.
 
After owning a 6 Plus for 3 years and now having used an X for a couple months, I think I'm sticking with the smaller phone. Every so often I grab my old 6 Plus and realize how much more cumbersome it is to manage, especially with one hand. The screen is a nice compromise between the Plus size phones and the non-plus sized phones that came before it. For those of you thinking an iPhone X has a bigger screen then the previous Plus sized phones, it doesn't.
 
Lol, the past 6 years? What are you talking about? The products they produce today are better than 6 years ago. Are you serious right now? Apple makes a lot MORE products than 6 years ago in sheer number and models, but the quality is still there.

Apple has gone from about a $350B company in 2011 to an $800B company. Your perception of a decline in quality is in your head. Customer satisfaction is consistently over 90% and is particularly high for iPad, Airpods, and Macbooks. iPhone is always near the top and people liked the 7 more than any previous phone. The 8 and X are too new to know.

I supposed I have to draw to your attention that you dont go straight to number two after eating a big fat delicious burger... Nor do you loose 20 pounds of fat because you refrain from raping the fridge a week long. You also dont dehydrate because you dont drink water for 10 minutes.

It takes time. As I stated in my last writing. The surge in Apple came/comes from the products they made back then. Not the ones they make today....
 
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Last I checked Apple did not have a crystal ball and neither were they able to predict the future.
Yes, Apple hits bullseye, every time, until it doesn't.

I believe this time, the last part after the last comma in my sentence above will be the case. I hope I will stand corrected in a year's time and I'd gladly have that. But I firmly believe that Titanic has hit its Ice berg.

In this analogy you Sir would fit perfectly as Mr. Ismay
Sure, anything can happen...the world could end today too, but it probably won't happen and the people forecasting it will be considered nuts. You want to predict failure for Apple, go ahead...but it's not happening this quarter. Literally no one that follows the company thinks they are going to miss guidance. No analyst predicts a poor quarter.

Your "belief" the Titanic has hit an iceberg is ignoring all facts and is complete guesswork to support your bearish bias toward the company. Did you see the numbers Apple put up last quarter for Q42017 with no iPhone X and just 2 weeks from iPhone X and Watch 3? Breathtaking. The new products are going to show what this company can do with THREE new phones,instead of the usual 2, a breakthrough watch, the best iPads ever made, the largest lineup of solid older iPhones ever, and the sleeping giant, services growing like the fires in California.

Q42017 Est/Actual/Beat
Revenue $50.40/52.6B/4%
Services $7.56/8.5B/12%
Other $2.90/3.23B/11%
Earnings $9.72/$10.71/10%
EPS $1.87/$2.07/11%
iPhone Units 46M/46.7M/2%
iPad Units 10M/10.3M/3%
Mac Units 5M/5.4M/8%
iPhone ASP $610/$618/1%
Guidance $84.90B/$87B/2%
 
the fact that APPLE made all PLUS owners downsize really sucked!
I must have missed the part where Apple is sending out enforcers to people's homes and putting a gun to customer's heads and making them switch to the latest most shiny phone. Every owner of a #+ phone was required to upgrade? Was there some sort of mandatory recall? The 8+ wasn't an option?

Do we have a different understanding of the definitions of the words, "fact", "made", and "all"?
 
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Will Apple call the the second gen iphone X the iphone Xs? And since this new 6.4" iphone X plus will be a first gen, it won't be an "s" model. Then there is this suppossed new 6.1" LCD bezel-less iphone. Will that replace the iphone 8? If so will they call it the iphone 8s plus? And if so, will there be a smaller bezel-less LCD regular iphone 8s? And if it isn't going to replace the iphone 8, then what will they call it? And will Apple then release an iphone 8s plus & iphone 8s WITH bezels??! This could get really confusing! Lol

Iphone Xs
Iphone Xs Plus
6.1" bezel-less LCD iphone
Iphone 8s plus (with or without bezels?)
Iphone 8s (with or without bezels?)
 
The iPhone X screen is already too tall to use comfortably. I can't imagine a plus sized one.

Just hold an existing Plus iPhone, image the display being a little closer to the side edges, but more significant, the display going all the way to the top and bottom. That's your 6.4" iPhone X Plus :)


More like people at Apple...

Don't mess with that worm, it's on a hook ... :D


I'm enjoying my X.

Me too, and I made a highly informed, technically educated selection over the other iPhone options - I wasn't motivated by "hype" or some kind of Jedi mind control ... ;)
 
I seriously doubt that the 2018 iPhone will even have a notch.

Disagree. The 2018 iPhone X will have the Notch almost guaranteed. Apple did not implement the notch for one year on the iPhone X housing the sensors and the next year to have it completely being deleted. Not to mention, the Notch is Apples new trademark for the time being on the iPhone X.
 
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I supposed I have to draw to your attention that you dont go straight to number two after eating a big fat delicious burger... Nor do you loose 20 pounds of fat because you refrain from raping the fridge a week long. You also dont dehydrate because you dont drink water for 10 minutes.

It takes time. As I stated in my last writing. The surge in Apple came/comes from the products they made back then. Not the ones they make today....
Sure...take your time calling for the demise of Apple and then in 30 years say you're right. The rest of us will make a fortune in the stock, enjoy the products, and live in reality.

When the facts change, I'll change too...but I'm not going to be a permabear when the facts are incredibly bullish.

Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.
 
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Not until they get rid of the ugly notch and add in-screen Touch ID for MFA.
 
Disagree. The 2018 iPhone X will have the Notch almost guaranteed. Apple did not implement the notch for one year on the iPhone X housing the sensors and the next year to have it completely being deleted. Not to mention, the Notch is Apples new trademark for the time being on the iPhone X.
He doesn't understand the company or production. You simply don't do something this big 1 year and scrap it for a new design the following year. Too expensive, too much engineering, too many supplier issues, too confusing for customers, etc etc.
 
Having owned a 6s Plus and a 7 Plus, I find the size and display of the X to be far superior. It is perfect for me.

If Apple introduced an LCD same (or very similar) as SE physical size version with the resulting larger display, and sell it for $499, I believe they would have a huge hit on their hands. Many would opt for the smaller physical size. I think we may see this phone in March, complete with the A11 Bionic and Face ID, but with aluminum casing and iPhone 8 rear camera. (A few months later the other 2018 phones will move to the A12.)
 
Last I checked Apple did not have a crystal ball and neither were they able to predict the future.
Yes, Apple hits bullseye, every time, until it doesn't.

I believe this time, the last part after the last comma in my sentence above will be the case. I hope I will stand corrected in a year's time and I'd gladly have that. But I firmly believe that Titanic has hit its Ice berg.

In this analogy you Sir would fit perfectly as Mr. Ismay
BTW, Apple does have a crystal ball when it comes to their own guidance. It's amazing how consistently they hit guidance. I think they've missed it 1-2 times in 5 years and never the holiday quarter.
 
I don't really understand the logic of those predicting that the notch is going to 'disappear' in the next iPhone. Apple obviously wanted to offer a bezel-free phone, and the notch was their solution to the very real issue of needing a place to put the sensors/cameras/speaker. The only way to offer a bezel-free phone is to include a notch, or else it wouldn't be bezel-free. It's arguable that it's still not free of bezels, but the notch is better than the next available option.

They can't remove the notch--they can only remove the ears of the display, which would have a net result of showing more bezel and less screen space. Why are so many people upset that Apple utilized the space to the left/right of the sensors rather than leaving it as a bezel?

The notch just allows them to use the former bezel as a place to display the carrier/time/battery info rather than on the main usable part of the screen.
 
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