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If it’s really this bad surely they would have done a soft launch in a few countries rather than 55? They would have had a level of confidence about supply to commit to that
 
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It’s still up for pre order on the 27th of October for the 3rd of November release. In more than 55 countries simultaneously. Including China and India. Not to mention , the US and most of Europe and Australia. Plus stock for all the Apple stores, mobile networks, and authorised resellers. I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure they have the production up and running. Unless of course they are planning to only release a handful in each country.
 
It's not just looks. The X gives us screen real estate larger than the 8+ in a form factor similar to the 8. For me that is HUGE. I don't want to pack around a massive + series form factor, but I want a large screen. The rest is icing.
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Based on your extensive hands on testing and expert evaluation?
just messing around.. Though the 8 plus isnt as bad as people say either. None of the haters have( hands on testing) either.
 
What demand? Without starting preorders early enough, the true demand cannot be seen unless we view the reduced sells of the iPhone 8. Apple would do themselves justice by starting iPhone X preorders now. Wouldnt that give them a headstart on knowing how many need to be produced?


No, having 2 separate preorder dates allows Apple and all carriers to much more easily handle preorders for the iPhone X. Why overburden systems when you can launch them seperate? It wouldn't even make sense for Apple to start taking preorders this early when they haven't started a real production run. Apple has a lot of smart people behind the helm when it comes to predicting a bottom of the barrel estimate of how many iPhone X will be preordered. They know they are way behind schedule on production and pushing the date 6 weeks was done on purpose.

Trust me, Apple won't be able to meet the demand of the X no matter what. Taking preorders now is a stupid PR move since the shipping estimates would probably all be all around 3 months at minimum and steps on the iPhone 8 launch. The smart play was two have two separate phone launch dates which is what they did.
 
My local Apple Store ain't having that unless it's a definitive hardware issue, or a software problem that a total content erase won't solve. I know it's believed in these forums that if you have AppleCare that they will automatically replace your phone for any reason but that's simply not the case in MOST Apple stores.

This is why you don't go to the store, friend. You call them up, you explain the problem, you explain away all their doubts about whether or not you tried everything humanly possible to solve the problem, then you get an express replacement. Sure, they hold money on your credit card, but they don't charge you unless you don't return your old unit.

I have never had a replacement refused when I'm under AC+, so my "wide belief" is limited to my own, personal experience. I would not go to a local store to get one replaced because they do tend to act like they only have one phone available... and sometimes, maybe their replacement stock is low.

All I know is that all the problems you hinted at with the initial stock of phones WOULD be hardware problems and those should all be covered.
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The X is a piece of crap

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Hopefully these new releases won’t be as popular and the x 2.0 will subsequently be more affordably priced.

That might happen, but I really doubt it. If they realize a pricing error, they'll probably do what they did with the original and offer some sort of concession to people who purchase the X.
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No, having 2 separate preorder dates allows Apple and all carriers to much more easily handle preorders for the iPhone X. Why overburden systems when you can launch them seperate? It wouldn't even make sense for Apple to start taking preorders this early when they haven't started a real production run. Apple has a lot of smart people behind the helm when it comes to predicting a bottom of the barrel estimate of how many iPhone X will be preordered. They know they are way behind schedule on production and pushing the date 6 weeks was done on purpose.

Trust me, Apple won't be able to meet the demand of the X no matter what. Taking preorders now is a stupid PR move since the shipping estimates would probably all be all around 3 months at minimum and steps on the iPhone 8 launch. The smart play was two have two separate phone launch dates which is what they did.

It also helps them predict how many will go for the 8/8plus vs the X. Once they see what the initial rush was for the former, they can predict the rush for the latter.

They'll use every last bit of data on the 8 launch that they can to try to better manage the X launch.
 
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Interesting so Pre Order October pay US$1000 Perhaps receive your iPhone X 2mths later if lucky.
Hmmm so Apple is once again on a win win situation they gather $$$ $$$ in Interst from Fanfaithful

Apple won't charge anyone's credit card until an order has been processed at the point of shipping. They may put a temporary hold on a portion of the funds on a credit card, but they're not actually getting those funds to generate interest from.
 
If it’s really this bad surely they would have done a soft launch in a few countries rather than 55? They would have had a level of confidence about supply to commit to that

The launch is about getting mind share, even if production can't handle the demand.
 
The launch is about getting mind share, even if production can't handle the demand.

If they have a launch of a few hundred thousand units spread over 55 countries, it’ll be a cluster truck, and any mindshare they get will not be of the positive kind.
 
Apple won't charge anyone's credit card until an order has been processed at the point of shipping. They may put a temporary hold on a portion of the funds on a credit card, but they're not actually getting those funds to generate interest from.

Correct. They put a hold on to confirm funds, but they do not charge until they ship.
 
If they have a launch of a few hundred thousand units spread over 55 countries, it’ll be a cluster truck, and any mindshare they get will not be of the positive kind.

Model 3 launched with a few hundred units worldwide.

Apple has a big enough name they can attempt a soft launch to maintain mind share.

The alternative is letting Samsung, Huawei, LG, and Xiaomi take the spotlight.
 
Apple wants to push the 8 on consumers and probably are happy to sell less iPhone X's.
Margin is way lower, people might just return it, exchange it when scratched etc.

I do not believe at all that a company like Apple would be able to produce any number of units if they wanted to.
It's just a test balloon, like the slow start of the AirPods.

The competition is fierce. Apple needs to maintain margins.
 
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no one cares about the cost. Service providers subsidize handsets. Most people held on to their 6 series phones when the 7 didn't have much to offer.. The 8 series is no different, so the X will sell like the 6 series did..
 
I think we can all agree that it is fake news. But it's not from Apple. It's much more the greed of some analysts and their hunt for fame and/or reputation.
And who are you? All I see is you making a ton of statements about this isn't that or that isn't this without sourcing a single thing.

Am I just supposed to take the word of some random poster on a forum over a guy who's paid to do this for a living?
 
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It's overpriced, but not a piece of crap. It's underwhelming since no Touch ID or virtual soft keys like Android. Gesture based and a clunky FaceID. Could have been better but it will sell a ton.

Overpriced compared to what, exactly?

Other phones with the exact same specs?

Other people's wallets?
 
This is why you don't go to the store, friend. You call them up, you explain the problem, you explain away all their doubts about whether or not you tried everything humanly possible to solve the problem, then you get an express replacement. Sure, they hold money on your credit card, but they don't charge you unless you don't return your old unit.

I have never had a replacement refused when I'm under AC+, so my "wide belief" is limited to my own, personal experience. I would not go to a local store to get one replaced because they do tend to act like they only have one phone available... and sometimes, maybe their replacement stock is low.

All I know is that all the problems you hinted at with the initial stock of phones WOULD be hardware problems and those should all be covered.
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That might happen, but I really doubt it. If they realize a pricing error, they'll probably do what they did with the original and offer some sort of concession to people who purchase the X.
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It also helps them predict how many will go for the 8/8plus vs the X. Once they see what the initial rush was for the former, they can predict the rush for the latter.

They'll use every last bit of data on the 8 launch that they can to try to better manage the X launch.


True it will help them predict better but it won't effect the production schedule for the launch. Apple will have to be at full capacity for the X no matter what since they will not be able to meet the launch demands. The question at that point really becomes "How long will Apple be backordered with the X?"
 
True it will help them predict better but it won't effect the production schedule for the launch. Apple will have to be at full capacity for the X no matter what since they will not be able to meet the launch demands. The question at that point really becomes "How long will Apple be backordered with the X?"

Pretty far, is my guess. This one will probably be a lot like the 6/6plus launch.

That was the closest I ever came to not having a phone at launch.
 
no one cares about the cost. Service providers subsidize handsets. Most people held on to their 6 series phones when the 7 didn't have much to offer.. The 8 series is no different, so the X will sell like the 6 series did..

Service providers finance handsets, at least here in the US. The subsidies stopped a while ago for most people.
In some cases they may subsidize but that is not the rule but the exception.

There are people that will buy the X but the main reason the 8/8 Plus has the same processor, same form factor as the 7 is that there are people that will hate the new X. No problem get the new performance, Qi, etc with the 8.

The X is really not for the traditional iPhone lover. That person will buy the 8 variant.
The person that will buy the X is a power user, former Android user, Android convert, etc.
The X is the very first iPhone I really like. I have a 6s for work but call forward to my Android phone.

I'll consider the X when I see the X version 2 or Xs, whatever they call it next year.
I want to see how the interface with no home button evolves and stabilizes.
 
Bummer. Was hoping they'd have these things in Apple "Town Squares" (nee Stores) at least a week or two before the pre-order date so I can see them live and in person. That being said, my order is already marked as a "favorite" so all I have to do is click a button to add it to my cart, and BOOM. I'm hoping to receive mine on November 3rd, but I at least hope I'm fast enough to be able to receive mine within 2-3 weeks of the release date!
 
I’m glad my 7plus is handling iOS 11 well. With these delays, the iPhone X basically is the 2018 release!
Why would it not run ios11 well? My iPhone 6 is great on it, equal in speed of goin between apps, using email and Pages as my iPad Pro (latest gen). Your 7+ will be good for a long while.
 
Service providers finance handsets, at least here in the US. The subsidies stopped a while ago for most people.
In some cases they may subsidize but that is not the rule but the exception.

There are people that will buy the X but the main reason the 8/8 Plus has the same processor, same form factor as the 7 is that there are people that will hate the new X. No problem get the new performance, Qi, etc with the 8.

The X is really not for the traditional iPhone lover. That person will buy the 8 variant.
The person that will buy the X is a power user, former Android user, Android convert, etc.
The X is the very first iPhone I really like. I have a 6s for work but call forward to my Android phone.

I'll consider the X when I see the X version 2 or Xs, whatever they call it next year.
I want to see how the interface with no home button evolves and stabilizes.

Here in Canada, and it worked the same when I lived in the USA, you pay a reduced or 0 fee for a handset in exchange for xx number of years contract. It's a subsidy because if I brought my own hardware I would pay the same amount per month for the plan. Financing would imply that at some point my monthly cost would go down once the handset is paid off.
 
They should have skipped releasing the 8/8+ so they can put all of their efforts into the X. A lot of people seemed to skip the iPhone 8 and are waiting on the X.

The issue is not the 8 and 8+ so holding back on releasing of these would not have done anything positive to speed up the release of the X.

I'm confident the iPhone X has already started production, the only difference between the X and the 8 aside size and aesthetics is the screen, front camera system and the camera system on the back. The internals are just about the same. Apple staggered the release to avoid confusion and the enormous amount of returns.

Wouldn't want people on launch day trying to figure out which phone they want because people bought the 8 because it's small and just as fast as the X, but then they realize they should have gotten the X since it's almost the same size as the 8 but with a bigger screen and better camera system. It's bad enough for people who can't decide between the 8 and the 8 plus, throw X in there and it's nothing but chaos.
 
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