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Compared to the LG G6, S8+, HTC U11. Those phones actually have higher specs with higher screen resolutions and more RAM. The iPhone X, outside of the A11 processor, is still behind other competitors.

Surely you know by now that specs alone doesn't carry much weight when your opponent is Apple. Even with the competitor "higher specs", Apple lower spec phone is equally good or outperforms what it's up against. The only thing iPhones have been lacking a bit in was OLED technology. Apple has said this OLED screen has met the standards of being iPhone worthy, though I haven't seen it yet, I believe them. While you and others alike are stuck on numbers games, myself and others will be more focused on the overall experience Apple consistently delivers.
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It's overpriced, but not a piece of crap. It's underwhelming since no Touch ID or virtual soft keys like Android. Gesture based and a clunky FaceID. Could have been better but it will sell a ton.

I do not want virtual soft keys on my more than a thousand dollar iPhone. It sounds like you want the iPhone to be more like android phone.
 
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Compared to the LG G6, S8+, HTC U11. Those phones actually have higher specs with higher screen resolutions and more RAM. The iPhone X, outside of the A11 processor, is still behind other competitors.

And all of these phones have totally full smooth experiences and UI so the processor game is a game of diminishing returns. Geekbench is facing a newfound obsolescence. Those phones have far more capabilities and most of them support Gigabyte LTE, iP68 water proof, better wifi chips, and have 4 * 4 mimo unlike the new iPhones which are lacking in these departments.

I still can't believe the new iPhone X is still not true QuadHD and has much less than 500 ppi which is related to older generation AMOLED panels. The iLambs also have to watch their videos effectively on a 4.7 inch cropped screen due to the notch. Apple again is being cheap and making their supporters believe they are getting luxury parts. Their devices probably only cost 300.00 or less to buy the parts and produce yet they charge one grand.
 
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Interesting so Pre Order October pay US$1000 Perhaps receive your iPhone X 2mths later if lucky.
Hmmm so Apple is once again on a win win situation they gather $$$ $$$ in Interst from Fanfaithful

At first I did not like that idea, but then a thought occurred to me -- maybe only means much to me LOL ---- So I as apple upgrade program member do not get my X on November 3 but wait a couple months. Well so next year I am way out of the cycle for September. The nice thing is I wait til 12 months from when my phone is enrolled and in my hands and perhaps I can just start operating outside of the crazy fall ordering time ;-)

Actually hoping that having status as apple upgrade and being able to do the preorder setup so all I have to hit is the order button in Apple Store app might mean not a problem but if it is really bad you know you can just choose to cancel your order and apple does not get more than what you are paying if on apple upgrade and if not they get nothing. Lots of choices but for me worth trying at least.
 
And all of these phones have totally full smooth experiences and UI so the processor game is a game of diminishing returns. Geekbench is facing a newfound obsolescence. Those phones have far more capabilities and most of them support Gigabyte LTE, better wifi chips, and have 4 * 4 mimo unlike the new iPhones which are lacking in these departments.

I still can't believe the new iPhone X is still not true QuadHD and has much less than 500 ppi which is related to older generation AMOLED panels. Apple once again is being cheap and making their supporters believe they are getting luxury parts. Their devices probably only costs 300.00 or !ess to produce yet they charge one grand.

From Android and Samsung
And Windows and PCs
And things that go bump in the night
Good lord, deliver us!
 
I still can't believe the new iPhone X is still not true QuadHD and has much less than 500 ppi which is related to older generation AMOLED panels. Apple once again is being cheap and making their supporters believe they are getting luxury parts. Their devices probably only costs 300.00 or less to buy the parts and produce yet they charge one grand.

there were really only two valuable options for the iphone X, since apple doesn't just randomly choose a resolution. they always scale the resolution by a clean number, which takes the least effort to calculate and also will get the nicest results with scaling media and apps.
the iphone 7 had a "x2" modifier.
they could go with a "x3" modifier, which they did and it ended up at the known resolution.
or they could have gone with "x4", which would be 3248x1500 and somewhere around 616PPI.

performance and battery concerns lead to the x3 modifier, since apple doesn't need to follow the stupid spec race.
 
I still can't believe the new iPhone X is still not true QuadHD and has much less than 500 ppi which is related to older generation AMOLED panels.

Dude are you serious. By default that resolution is turned OFF on the Note. Do you know why? a. It is unnecessary to have that sort of resolution on a handheld device that small and b. If you turn it on, battery life is next to useless. The only reason they released a phone with that sort of res is because they are trying desperately to get an edge on Apple. They cannot do it via software because it's not in their control, so they do by Hardware. They sell to people that bash one out on the fact that they have better Hardware spec wise, but in the end it doesn't matter. Geeks that care about specs make up a very small amount of their customer base.
 
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Compared to the LG G6, S8+, HTC U11. Those phones actually have higher specs with higher screen resolutions and more RAM. The iPhone X, outside of the A11 processor, is still behind other competitors.

I have heard of these other phones, but I simply don't like Android or the look and feel of any of them enough to care about whatever specs they have. I don't really need a higher screen resolution on a handheld device. I think the screen resolution on the X is way more than I'll need and it's not why I like the X. I think RAM is nice, but I'd rather a better processor with less RAM than a bunch of RAM with a lesser processor.

Most of the phones that are on the Android platform seem to throw this new stuff in every iteration without thinking about how it all works together. It's really great for humans to have wings, but if we cannot use them to actually fly, what is the point of humans having wings? Just so we can say we got them before chimpanzees? See, this is how I feel about the Android phone manufacturing world. It's just not in sync with the OS the way you have in a walled garden with iOS and Apple hardware.

So, I'll wait for improvements when Apple figures out how to make those improvements even matter in the first place. I don't need a "thing" if it's not really useful or well executed.

Just my perspective and why I don't care about the Apple vs. Android manufacturers thing.
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And all of these phones have totally full smooth experiences and UI so the processor game is a game of diminishing returns. Geekbench is facing a newfound obsolescence. Those phones have far more capabilities and most of them support Gigabyte LTE, iP68 water proof, better wifi chips, and have 4 * 4 mimo unlike the new iPhones which are lacking in these departments.

I still can't believe the new iPhone X is still not true QuadHD and has much less than 500 ppi which is related to older generation AMOLED panels. The iLambs also have to watch their videos effectively on a 4.7 inch cropped screen due to the notch. Apple again is being cheap and making their supporters believe they are getting luxury parts. Their devices probably only cost 300.00 or less to buy the parts and produce yet they charge one grand.

Maybe we just think that Android phones are ugly?

;)

I doubt you'll see me hanging around the Samsung forums, even though I owned one of their earliest smartphones, pre iPhone. Because...

I just don't give a damn what's going on with them. LOL.

We're not all just spending money without thinking about why we spent it. I mean, not any more than people who love to drone on about how awesome Android phones are do it. Call us all names if you want, but it's rude, really. I don't care if you love Samsung. Get it tattooed across your forehead if it makes you happy.

:D
 
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Yeah Samsung is very fast with manufacturing and has the most efficient means of doing so. I'm thinking another hardware issue is causing the delay. Maybe they are tinkering with the Face ID hardware after it's epic keynote failure since not one consumer device has been produced yet.
Samsung isn't the only one who work on the X's display. They provide raw panels, but all the rest (including the notch-cutting) is done elsewhere.
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Dude are you serious. By default that resolution is turned OFF on the Note. Do you know why? a. It is unnecessary to have that sort of resolution on a handheld device that small and b. If you turn it on, battery life is next to useless. The only reason they released a phone with that sort of res is because they are trying desperately to get an edge on Apple. They cannot do it via software because it's not in their control, so they do by Hardware. They sell to people that bash one out on the fact that they have better Hardware spec wise, but in the end it doesn't matter. Geeks that care about specs make up a very small amount of their customer base.
I do not know what you are talking about. The OLED resolution and PPI are a lot more complex, which involves sub-pixel geometry and arrangement. In the past OLED needed higher res than LCD because sub-pixels had uneven performance which was exacerbated by diamond pentile arrangement. That has not been the case since the Galaxy S6. 1080p and 1440p have negligible difference in battery because in either case the number of lit-up subpixels is the same. What affects battery is not the display but how much the GPU is stressed, which is controlled separately.
 
The iLambs also have to watch their videos effectively on a 4.7 inch cropped screen due to the notch.

if you consider the notched area and the rounded corners as unusable screen that shouldn't be measured then you'd be left with a 5.5" rectangular screen..
fwiw.

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where are you getting the 4.7" measurement from?
 
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Th day of launch I went to my carrier and signed a sheet for the iPhone X oct 27 they will call me to process the order and I’m guaranteed a iphoneX November 3. Love it can’t wait
For your sake, I hope you're right. I think that will be too good to be true though. They may have good intentions but if supplies are as constrained as they sound then I don't think it'll be that easy.
 
if you consider the notched area and the rounded corners as unusable screen that shouldn't be measured then you'd be left with a 5.5" rectangular screen..
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where are you getting the 4.7" measurement from?

Have you seen what happens when the videos on the iPhone X are displayed at 100% ..all four corners are black bars... you are effectively viewing a 4.7 inch screen unless you prefer to view in it in full screen mode with the obstructive notch in the way.
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Samsung isn't the only one who work on the X's display. They provide raw panels, but all the rest (including the notch-cutting) is done elsewhere.

Sure they purchase some of their NAND from Samsung as well.......
 
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My question is why is it more expensive at all. The 3g to the 4 was a huge upgrade, inside and out. A radically new, high-end design with exponentially better materials, Retina display, better camera, etc. No price increase. These phones are not maturing enough compared to the past to justify the higher prices. JMO.
OLED scarcity, new TrueDepth sensors and rising NAND flash costs aside, the market told Apple that there was room to increase the price when sales of the 7+ increased despite the $50 price bump over the previous year's model. There's no rational reason not to make the X more expensive if they're guaranteed to sell as many as they can manufacture.
 
Have you seen what happens when the videos on the iPhone X are displayed at 100% ..all four corners are black bars... you are effectively viewing a 4.7 inch screen unless you prefer to view in it in full screen mode with the obstructive notch in the way.
huh??
that totally depends on what aspect ratio the video is in..
nothing unique to iPhone X.. same thing will happen on any phone.. (or display or TV etc.)

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.all four corners are black bars...
hmm.. actually, i haven't seen this happen on the X so maybe i don't understand what you're saying..
do you have a picture or link where i can see this happening?

(i'm having a hard time imagining what "all four corners are black bars" looks like.. there are multiple ways to interpret that statement)
 
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Dude are you serious. By default that resolution is turned OFF on the Note. Do you know why? a. It is unnecessary to have that sort of resolution on a handheld device that small and b. If you turn it on, battery life is next to useless. The only reason they released a phone with that sort of res is because they are trying desperately to get an edge on Apple. They cannot do it via software because it's not in their control, so they do by Hardware. They sell to people that bash one out on the fact that they have better Hardware spec wise, but in the end it doesn't matter. Geeks that care about specs make up a very small amount of their customer base.

Not true..even on high resolution you get similar battery life. Samsung gives you the choice to choose the highest. I have noticed no difference in battery life at the default setting or the highest so the highest resolution is my preference. It's nice to be able to customize your resolution. Im sure you are use to not having any preferences since they all are bestowed upon you by Apple.

Read reviews there is no real difference with default or high for battery life. Desperate is Apple needing Samsung for their display and using the face id gimmick to force you buy a device based on one feature.
 
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Any hands on video shows those bars in most videos and it also shows what happens when the notch interferes with the full video. There is no way around it. Either you watch the full video with a notch in it or the cropped version with four black bars.

yeah.. i think you're pretty mixed up with what either A) cropping means or B) what causes the black bars..

(and why are you saying there are four black bars?? there should only be two.. again-- i'm requesting the link or image from you that shows what you're talking about)

if you're watching a movie with black bars on either the sides or the top/bottom then... the movie isn't cropped.
(i.e.- opposite of what you've said)

if you're watching a movie that fills the screen and the aspect ratio of the movie doesn't match the aspect ratio of the screen then --- the movie is being cropped.. some of the frame isn't being shown
 
While consumers wait to buy the most expensive iPhone ever, investors are waiting to see how low this will take the stock price.
 
And who are you? All I see is you making a ton of statements about this isn't that or that isn't this without sourcing a single thing.

Am I just supposed to take the word of some random poster on a forum over a guy who's paid to do this for a living?
Exactly, he is paid to say things like that. He earns money from reports. And he can report whatever he wants because no one is ever going to know the real truth, as Apple would never say anything.
I have stated on various occassions that I could very well be wrong but I look at the hard evidence we are provided.
One of my arguments is the large roll out. 55 countries from day one is a lot. If Apple knew that the supply would not improve until launch they would never have added 55 countries to the first wave. Secondly, Apple NEEDS to sell the iPhone X. They do not earn money with pre-orders as long as they are not shipped. So having the phone not ship until March for some preorders, like some of you here suggested, is just not an option.

All I am saying is; Let's be critical of what others say. Maybe you disagree with my assessment of the situation and that is 100% fine. I am just saying let's not take anything for granted what these analysts say, especially not if they are not KGI. Even KGI gets it wrong. He reported for example that the Apple Watch would not be able to make cellular calls or be able to use LTE for texting, but he was wrong. So yes, sometimes they get it right, but sometimes not. And the facts that Apple provide contradict what this unknown Analysts says.
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Believe me, not only do I accept the design of the X... I embrace it. It is everything I've been waiting on for a number of years now. Search these threads all you want, you will not find a single negative word from me on the new design.

Tim Cook is a professional and a very highly paid leader of arguably the most valuable company in the world. While I have experience is design and marketing, I am in no way even close to the league of he or his council, however, even I can see the glaring mistakes with this release. I am heavily invested in Apple, both monetarily in stocks, and in lifestyle with products, I want them, I need them, to continue to succeed. I would not expect this caliber of missteps from Apple. Something is amiss.

Innovation from the tech sector? Look no further than Samgsung. They were able to turn the most disasterous (and one of the most expensive) PR nightmares into one of the biggest wins since the original iPhone. Through innovation and marketing they were able to be first to the table with the features we have all been asking for for years. Now it gives the appearance that Apple is playing catchup and being forced to market with a product that is not fully ready or well timed. In a perfect world iPhone X would have been of it's own release and the Retina display would have been retired. In utopia, Apple would be building their own oled displays. But then again Apple has always been successful at outsourcing components, and gets in trouble when they bring hardware manufacture in house. (Sapphire glass comes to mind).
What are the glaring mistakes in this release? You like the design.

You state that you are heavily invested in Apple. So why do you trust an unknown analyst on a subject like this? This guy could very well be lying. I have written it many times and I will repeat myself; The only ones to know how many phones are being produced per day are the Foxconn and Apple executives and the Apple Operations team. And I doubt that anyone of these people have ever met this analyst.
There was even an analyst suggesting that there would be 4 color options for the iPhone X. There were also reports from analyst stating that the iPhone X would launch in December. There were also analysts stating that the phone would start at 899, 1199 and other price points.
Analysts throw stuff out there because they think they know it. They earn money and reputation from stunts like that.

And Apple has a big problem: Having enough stock will give the customers the feeling that the phone is not sought after. I am not saying that Apple is 100% right and unmistakeable. But I just think we are judging them right now based on hear say.
 
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I don't really get this. Apple is one of the largest companies in the world and by units manufactured has to be up there with the biggest. Why do they constantly have these supply issues? They should be working on the 2018, 2019 and even 2020 iPhone by now and have a clear manufacturing plan so there is not a delay after a product has been released and not a shortage of supply that goes on for months and months. The whole debacle couple of years ago when they announced a new iMac and then stopped making he old one, leaving months when you couldnt buy an iMac was just a joke. It's not like the technology that they are using is cutting edge and only just developed before the latest iPhone goes into production. Nearly every bit of technology Apple release has already been in production by some other company already.

If the regulator's force Apple to make iOS and OS available on other devices then I think a lot of people would jump ship to another hardware manufacturer. With the dominance of Apple in the marketplace and how they lock customers in, I think this is on its way. The EU won't stand for it much longer as its anti-competitive.
 
iOS is what is saving Apple right now. The hardware is a joke with too much front loading of expectations.
 
iOS is what is saving Apple right now. The hardware is a joke with too much front loading of expectations.
Could you please elaborate? I don't see Apples hardware as a joke. Compare the chips apple makes with the chips from Qualcomm and tell me which one is laughable?
 
I don't see Apples hardware as a joke
My $.02 is that the hardware that's beyond the chipsets, Take AMOLED screen, or the wireless charging. These have been standard features in phones for so many years. Unlike in the past where Apple would leap frog Android in features, they've merely caught up.

Indeed, my family is fully entrenched in iOS and that's probably the biggest reason why I'm sticking with the iPhone, yet, I'm not spending any money on new phones this year. The iPhone 8 doesn't do much for me, and the X is ridiculously priced, to the point where I'll keep using my older iPhone
 
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