iPhone X's Already-Lowered Shipping Estimates in Early 2018 May Remain Too High

[Kabeyun]

https://www.shop.bt.com/products/samsung-galaxy-s8-midnight-black-sm-g950fzkabtu-CTLR.html

Can be had slightly cheaper from other retailers also. Or for around £500 on Amazon.de if you’re happy with the EU version

Nope. That’s a clearance sale (why, I don’t know) with only “12 left in stock.” Can’t compare a steep clearance discount to an iPhone X at full retail. Not with any validity, anyway.

Bottom line: it’s misleading to claim that an S8 is about half the price of an iPhone X. It isn’t.

 

[satchmo]

There's a bigger picture here.

People are experiencing upgrade fatigue. Not just with Apple, but all smartphone manufacturers.

You can only improve a camera so much and market it as must have feature. People are happy with a decent camera (the majority of people don't need bokeh effects, etc).

Same with FaceID...I'd venture to guess most were happy with TouchID.

 

[DynaFXD]

People are getting so salty defending the latest overpriced toy from Apple.

Read the thread again and maybe you’ll see what people area getting “salty” about.

Before you show your ignorance,

You’re getting warmer ...

 

[Nr123*123]

Nope. That’s a clearance sale (why, I don’t know) with only “12 left in stock.” Can’t compare a steep clearance discount to an iPhone X at full retail. Not with any validity, anyway.

Bottom line: it’s misleading to claim that an S8 is about half the price of an iPhone X. It isn’t.

Are you on drugs? The general public can go out and buy the S8 for that price.

It’s also available directly from amazon at £579.

Or how about £549 from these guys:
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/sm-g950fzkabtu/samsung-smg950fzkabtu-galaxy-s8-smartphone

And John Lewis will price match the above, which I’ve done in the past.

So...you were wrong fella

 

[coumerelli]

I wonder if some folks like myself are contributing to this phenomenon...

Normally I upgrade my wife's and my iPhones every two years ...5s, 6s. This year was our year to upgrade. However, for the first time in quite a while I wasn't interested at all in either the newest (X) or the iterative (8) because of:

1) cost
2) useless/janky/missing features (IMO, not here to debate features)
3) highly questionable/vexing design compromises (IMO, not here to debate design choices)
4) and most importantly, our 6s' seem to be getting the job done just fine

5) you can now upgrade for just $29

 

[DynaFXD]

It just baffles me how many people love their iPhone X so much that they don’t want Apple to lower the price. Why?? Apple won’t go broke if they lowered the X by $200 or even at 50% discount.

Point is, why should they? That’s not how capitalism works; you charge what the market will bear. Too expensive? Apple also offers more affordable devices in different sizes. Only Apple knows how they’re doing and the only people that should care are the major stock holders. For others, Apple isn’t going anywhere, enjoy your device of choice.

 

[dumastudetto]

I’ve seen at least 10 X’s in the wild

I see iPhone X everywhere all the time and owners all seem delighted to be using one.
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It just baffles me how many people love their iPhone X so much that they don’t want Apple to lower the price. Why?? Apple won’t go broke if they lowered the X by $200 or even at 50% discount.

Apple likes to protect its margins and rightfully so.

iPhone X is an ultra-premium device and is worthy of a premium pricetag.

 

[blairh]

It's not worth the price. And I'm an X owner.

I told all my relatives, friends, and colleagues to save their money and to buy a cheaper iPhone.

I hope the X undersells for Apple so the best iPhone won't cost you $1000 to start. It's crazy.

 

[DynaFXD]

AT&T is offering iPhone 8: buy one, get one free. Sounds like Samsung.

Dunno about Samsung, but that BOGO iP8 offer required that one phone be bought using the ATT Next plan and the second phone was for a _new line of service_ with a two year contract and payout if you left early. So, if you fit and could abide by those conditions it was a great offer. However, I was seriously bummed when ATT refused to let me update my wife and son’s phone (no new line of service here) under that offer.

 

[cale508]

I see iPhone X everywhere all the time and owners all seem delighted to be using one.
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Apple likes to protect its margins and rightfully so.

iPhone X is an ultra-premium device and is worthy of a premium pricetag.

You have your opinion, but it’s not worth the price

 

[EvilEvil]

Lower the price.

Also remove the notch. If they do this I will surely buy their next iteration.

 

[bluespark]

I wonder if some folks like myself are contributing to this phenomenon...

Normally I upgrade my wife's and my iPhones every two years ...5s, 6s. This year was our year to upgrade. However, for the first time in quite a while I wasn't interested at all in either the newest (X) or the iterative (8) because of:

1) cost
2) useless/janky/missing features (IMO, not here to debate features)
3) highly questionable/vexing design compromises (IMO, not here to debate design choices)
4) and most importantly, our 6s' seem to be getting the job done just fine

Same story here. The X is a ton of money for nothing I need (or actually even want) right now.

More broadly, I think Apple’s sheen — the intangible quality that made consumers ready to throw their money at new releases without a serious look at the competition — is now gone. Apple now has to prove its devices are worthy of their price and this may be a challenge going forward.

 

[nutellaface]

I have an iphone X (because my iphone 6+ finally died). I like Apple products but I am an investor and as such, I am only interested in Apple's sales. Now, every year, some analysts come out saying that Apple products are either delayed or not selling well. Most of these analysts are always wrong.

Apple guided for a strong quarter and until Apple says otherwise, I will stick with that prediction versus a bunch of random analysts.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

It just baffles me how many people love their iPhone X so much that they don’t want Apple to lower the price. Why?? Apple won’t go broke if they lowered the X by $200 or even at 50% discount.

It's easy for Apple fans to get caught up in the excitement of "I love my Apple products and I want Apple to sell more and more of them because that supports my decision that it's the best!" Or perhaps some notion that they want iPhones to sell well so that Apple keeps working harder and harder on them. Of course neither of those thought processes are really valid when properly thought out.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

Best iPhone under Steve Jobs started at $599. Now, under Tim Cook it is $999. A 67% price increase!!!

It’s called inflation. You’d expect to pay the same price as you did 10 years ago? It was the best phone at $599 because it was the only phone. The 8 is far better then most phones on the market and that’s priced at exactly what inflation costs would be from 2007-2017. Apple isn’t cornering you into one phone priced at $999. You have cheaper options. If you want the premium tech you’re going to pay a premium price. It’s very basic knowledge.

 

[Mike MA]

I decided not to purchase iPhone X due to the high price point. It wasn‘t an easy choice as my iPhone 6 is getting old, but now I’m aiming for a not only tweaked but hopefully also form factor wise updated iPhone 9.

 

[nviz22]

Why is that the default for folks that if someone loves iPhone X they must be brainwashed?
[doublepost=1514910843][/doublepost]I personally hope they don’t lower the price on iPhone X or the next on me. There are many options for folks under 999 from Apple.

Not everything should be priced the same and if Samsung can charge 950 for a device that has a pen and the same type of camera that iPhone 7 Plus has than so can Apple.
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You don’t speak for me or anyone else and it’s rude to think you do. I paid for the device because I liked the enhancements.

Even if someone paid for it just because of the “brand” what business is it of yours?

I find your post very ballsy for you to attempt to make judgements about someone’s purchase.

Worry about how you spend your own money.

Well, if you don't feel ripped off, that is your own personal view. People paying for the "brand alone" allows Apple to become more lazy. Hence the 6SSS design of the "8 and 8+." Haven't you heard of the phrase "Apple Tax?" $74 for a quick charger that is out of the box for many Android devices?

For the record, I didn't waste $ on the 6SSS design, got it as a gift. The X was a nice phone, but it's also very overpriced for what it does.

 

[Slyzi]

I have been an iPhone user since the first generation. But, I refuse to purchase anymore Apple devices and will be switching to Android once my current iPhone stops working. I do not like how Apple replaces components on their newer model devices, such as the iPhone headphone jack, ethernet and USB ports on the MacBook Pros. I shouldn't have to purchase over priced adapters for an already over priced device!

 

[convergent]

I wonder if some folks like myself are contributing to this phenomenon...

Normally I upgrade my wife's and my iPhones every two years ...5s, 6s. This year was our year to upgrade. However, for the first time in quite a while I wasn't interested at all in either the newest (X) or the iterative (8) because of:

1) cost
2) useless/janky/missing features (IMO, not here to debate features)
3) highly questionable/vexing design compromises (IMO, not here to debate design choices)
4) and most importantly, our 6s' seem to be getting the job done just fine

Me too... My whole family had iPhones and upgraded every 1-2 years. This round, after seeing the X, disliking it, and not seeing a huge advantage of the 8 over my 6s+, decided to jump to Android and very happy with the move. One of my daughter's went from SE to an iPhone 8 on buy one, get one with her fiance. My wife has an SE, and I would likely upgrade it if there were anything to upgrade to. My other daughter has an ailing 6, and since Apple had just replaced my 6s+, I believe I'm going to pass that one to her; or sell it and get her a 7. I don't recall which one my son has... an older one, and he has no plans to upgrade. So no X is in the plans for our family.

 

[Stuey3D]

Its because the X is a compromise, it looks like a prototype that they rushed out so they could shut up the morons complaining about the same design for years. (The notch is hideous)

The whole idea behind the iPhone & iOS in general is that they are simple devices a child or granny can use, the X looses that.

For example app plays up and you need to quit it on every iPhone other than X double press home and slide up, on the X you slide from bottom hold for a second (already slower at this point) this brings up the multitask window but still at this point you cant quit the app as you then have to hold it until a red circle appears and then you can slide up.

My 7 year old has an iPad and she knows how to quit apps and has done for years as its logical, the new X screws up what should have been a simple task.

People complained when Samsung added a non remappable Bixby button, well the iPhone X turns the power button into the Siri button forcing you to hold power & volume to turn the damned thing off, yet nobody has complained about that as Apple can do no wrong.

OK the 8 suffers from this too but to force restart the device on older phones was hold power & home or power & volume on the 7, but the new ones is tap volume up tap volume down then hold side button how is this better than simply hodling 2 buttons.

These simple examples are Apple screwing up a tried and tested UI solution just so they can go for a new design, and to get this revolutionary new slower less logical interface you have to pay over £999.

You have the die hard Apple fans (of which i used to be one) who if Apple released a pile of crap and called it the iTurd would still rush to buy it this is what accounted for the initial sales and sell out of the X, the rest of us would probably settle for the 8 series which does 95% of what the X does at a much lower price (although still stupidly expensive nowadays)

Personally if the family didn't use iMessage/FaceTime I'd probably get a OnePlus 5T for half the price, the cheap phones have really gotten much better nowadays and Apple cant really justify the stupidly high cost of their devices anymore.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

No, it can't be justified. Meanwhile people who actually crave productivity (innovative options) benefit from the multitasking powerhouse called the Note 8. See attached.

Maybe to you, it can’t be justified, but the market will bear out the actual price. Apple gambled on $999+, and their future pricing strategy will tell us how satisfied they are with overall sales. Besides, the Note 8 started just under that price at launch, and any feature’s value is in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn’t spend that much on any phone, and I don’t see Apple ever pricing the X (or any other new mobile device) in my comfort zone. It doesn’t do that much more to command that much of my money and personal risk.

 

[sinsin07]

snip...iPhone X is an ultra-premium device and is worthy of a premium pricetag.

Says you.
Your definition is meaningless.
The rest of the world will still compare it spec/feature wise to every other vendor's top of the line phone, (i.e. the Galaxy S8/Note).

 

[DynaFXD]

Same story here. The X is a ton of money for nothing I need (or actually even want) right now.

That's probably the most rational explanation for why devices of varying ability and cost sell the way that they do.

More broadly, I think Apple’s sheen — the intangible quality that made consumers ready to throw their money at new releases without a serious look at the competition — is now gone.

Cynical malarkey, IMHO. Simply put, the market has matured. People always looked at other options, but they were so lacking (no eco system, flakey OS, etc) that fewer buyers really wanted to go that way. Now others have raised -their- game, there is near parity, and now a more even market prevails. None of this "Apple's sheen" or "thrown their money" innuendo is needed.

 

[Sy7ygy]

The surreal amount of assumption here is.. unsurprising.

Let's make it perfectly clear, iSheep, the people who critique the latest iPhone, are not being critical over the price or even specifically an iPhone but Apple in it's entirety; Since more than any other company as a consumer, you are buying that service.

The X is not special, in anyway. People vote with their wallets but more importantly, the public are starting to realise Apple is not the same company it was in 2011 & that their are plenty of good, solid, practical alternatives which provide a far more advanced and smarter platform combined.

But, I digress; please.. keep believing otherwise. However stop spreading ill-advised technical rubbish because you feel like a special snowflake for owning another defunct battery.

 

[dumastudetto]

You have your opinion, but it’s not worth the price

Yes that's your opinion.

I have my opinion too, and then there are sales numbers that prove iPhone X is a massive blockbuster product for Apple.