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iPhone X's Already-Lowered Shipping Estimates in Early 2018 May Remain Too High

iFan83 said:
I got an iPhone 8 Plus the other day for free, I’m not paying $599(I’m in Canada) for a cell phone. I like the X and I think it’s really neat, just not worth the cost. So far I’m loving the 8+, so fast the newer Touch ID is just ridiculously fast, I’m coming from a 6. I don’t see how Apple couldn’t see this coming, its just a cell phone that does the same job. I’m sure soon the X prices will drop and that’ll make upgrading to it more realistic option.

I hope they don’t drop Touch ID I think I prefer it to Face ID, put it on the back and have both, we shouldn’t have to pick one or the other.
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Agreed, the X isn't worth the cost. If you took away the price tag, it is a premium smartphone with a ton of modern amenities. Touch ID is decent and faster than Face ID. It's possible to get a little too carried away with expectations because the competition is strong as ever while Apple's innovative touch is dwindling.
 
Stuey3D said:
Its because the X is a compromise, it looks like a prototype that they rushed out so they could shut up the morons complaining about the same design for years. (The notch is hideous)

The whole idea behind the iPhone & iOS in general is that they are simple devices a child or granny can use, the X looses that.

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After about 10 minutes of using the phone you don't even notice the notch. And the new gestures are very easy to use, expect one. The control center needs to be moved, otherwise, there is nothing rushed about the X.
 
I live in a town with a huge Apple adoption rate, but I've not seen one iPhone X out and about.

That $1000 (AU$1579) price tag. I think people are waiting for Apple to reduce the price.
 
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Stella said:
timmy cook has hiked prices for both iPad and MacBook Pro. It’s a trend.
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It's an industry wide thing with flagship smartphones. The Google Nexus program was an affordable flagship spec series with a decent price tag until the Nexus 6 came out. Now, the Pixel series is about making a premium device w/ a premium price tag to compete against Apple.

Samsung's latest Note 8 prices were just a tad bit below $1000. I could expect the Note 9 to be priced above $1000 since it will be all about their "FP sensor under the screen" concept now.

That's why Apple has to be concerned about mid-market priced devices with tremendous specs. China is a great spot to sell Oppo devices and Huawei devices at the fraction of the price. OnePlus is another major name with a more affordable price tag.

There are many alternatives to what Apple offers that it is harder to "need" iOS' aspects than the past.
 
spazzcat said:
After about 10 minutes of using the phone you don't even notice the notch. And the new gestures are very easy to use, expect one. The control center needs to be moved, otherwise, there is nothing rushed about the X.
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The brain can do amazing things like that... but I expect the neurons are reconciling "I paid over $1000 for this thing and there is a big notch there" and translating it into "this is awesome!". I find it hard to believe that watching a video in landscape you wouldn't notice a chunk of it missing, but I'm pretty OCD about symmetry. Different tastes is what makes the world interesting.
 
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DoYouLikePie? said:
Sounds like you've got no argument, then. I do like watching people try to justify it, you're right!
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The post was justifying anything. That part is just your imagination.
To make it simpler, one poster said it works for what he needs it for.
You chimed in with all you can do with your Note 8.
So what?
Doesn't help OG Poster if you use case is not his/hers.
No justification, just simple fact.
Escape from your bubble, there is a much wider world.
 
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The price is outrageous. I don't know how anyone can justify spending that much on a phone.

Even if you are wealthy, that money would be much better off invested in Bitcoin or stocks.
 
sinsin07 said:
You have no proof of the above, therefore it's irrelevant.

Again, pure speculation.
But what is not speculation is there will be no sign in the store for your iPhone X definition saying "ultra-premium".
Not even in an Apple store.

Your definitions of "normals" has been noted, and summarily ignored. No reference point.
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In many countries most people do not even use imessage, here in mexico people use whatsapp. He’s saying we are not normal.

If you see his posts you will see he is the one not “normal”.

I have not seen one x in the wild here in mexico or traveling just before christmas. Anecdotal yes but my experience.

I don’t care if everyone likes the x, good for them, I won’t be upgrading my 6s plus and I have 3 payments left on the upgrade program. Not upgrading to an iphone.
 
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DoYouLikePie? said:
27 apps simultaneously on the note 8 vs 6 on the iPhone isn't just software...lmao. First they say Android is fragmented, now it's amazingly optimized compared to ios. Which is it? ;)
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But it is a software thing, look how well 7 plus did with keeping apps open
 
BeforeTheMeds said:
In many countries most people do not even use imessage, here in mexico people use whatsapp. He’s saying we are not normal.

If you see his posts you will see he is the one not “normal”.
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In China they use WeChat which has 1 Billion (literally) users.
iMessage in Europe is very small in comparison to WhatsApp which lets iMessage look like a messenger from 1998
 
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25ghosts said:
In China they use WeChat which has 1 Billion (literally) users.
iMessage in Europe is very small in comparison to WhatsApp which lets iMessage look like a messenger from 1998
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Yep. Everyone haas family, friends, etc. Groups. Plus for about 3. A month people get unlimited social media, whatsapp. Email. No texts. Dumastedetto is typical of those not knowing there is a whole world outside the us. Elitist. Prices are much higher outside the us, here in mexico the x starts at 1236. Us. Thats ridiculous, I wonder how much sales have dropped , if dropped, outside the us. I don’t know anyone that will buy the x at 1236. Us.
 
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Nr123*123 said:
Of course they’re over inflated.

Whilst the phone has many advancements, it just isn’t £1000 worth of phone. Face ID, whilst a technological marvel, isn’t worth that much to me.

I have a 6S plus, and it isn’t worth almost £750 to get maybe two extra features.

I can have an S8, which does almost 99% of what the iPhone X does for the average user for almost half the price.

And also the lengths Apple went to have portrait mode on the front and rear cameras, google did better with just the software alone, which maybe hints at the fact the energy and time wasted on this Face ID and sensor array is unnecessary.
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Agreed. Also have the 6S Plus, ordered the X on launch day and when i played with the phone i just wasn't super impressed. Face ID is cool but not £1000 cool, and is slower and less flexible than Touch ID. And that's before Applecare, a case (which you need with glass front and back) etc. The camera isn't even best in class anymore (Pixel 2 is). So really, not sure what you're paying for that's a significant improvement.

I returned mine.

I used to upgrade every year but stopped when the 7 (essentially a 6S without headphone jack) and now 8/X (pricing) came out.
 
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Nr123*123 said:
Of course they’re over inflated.

Whilst the phone has many advancements, it just isn’t £1000 worth of phone. Face ID, whilst a technological marvel, isn’t worth that much to me.

I have a 6S plus, and it isn’t worth almost £750 to get maybe two extra features.

I can have an S8, which does almost 99% of what the iPhone X does for the average user for almost half the price.

And also the lengths Apple went to have portrait mode on the front and rear cameras, google did better with just the software alone, which maybe hints at the fact the energy and time wasted on this Face ID and sensor array is unnecessary.
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An S8 costs a lot more than $500. I got two of them at launch for $850 each.
kingpushup said:
AT&T is offering iPhone 8: buy one, get one free. Sounds like Samsung.

Apple typically rumors a high price but then, at Keynote, says prices are ‘lower than you expected!’

However this year, because Samsung took the bait from Apple rumors and priced its own phone at the 1,000 mark, Apple was committed to same (cannot price lower that Samsung.

Results:
1. Windfall from Apple loyalists during launch quarter.

2. Major discounts, some akin to Samsung (buy one, get one).

3. Uncertain resale values, looking ahead, because Apple has undercut its own price structure.

Typically the high-quality hardware leader in a space will restrict resellers from discounts beyond x percent. This year clearly Apple has softened. Resale market and Brand value: beware.
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What nonsense are you talking about?
 
25ghosts said:
In China they use WeChat which has 1 Billion (literally) users.
iMessage in Europe is very small in comparison to WhatsApp which lets iMessage look like a messenger from 1998
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Google search shows 963 million for Wechat. Close but not 1 billion as claimed
Google search shows 1.2 billion on WhatsApp.

Does China allow Whatsapp?
 
IJ Reilly said:
MR please, please, please, be consistent about whether you are talking about fiscal or calendar years.

FY 2018 began October 1.
CY 2018 began yesterday.

Fiscal year in what country? Fiscal year begins on July 1. October 1 is the second quarter of the fiscal year, not the first.

See the difference? Get the importance?
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satchmo said:
There's a bigger picture here.

People are experiencing upgrade fatigue. Not just with Apple, but all smartphone manufacturers.

You can only improve a camera so much and market it as must have feature. People are happy with a decent camera (the majority of people don't need bokef effects, etc).

Same with FaceID...I'd venture to guess most were happy with TouchID.
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I blame ending subsidized phones. Back in the day any flagship from any OEM only cost you $200. Today you have many pricing scenes from many carries, High out of pocket cost AND still have to pay installments.
 
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JonGarrett said:
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I blame ending subsidized phones. Back in the day any flagship from any OEM only cost you $200. Today you have many pricing scenes from many carries, High out of pocket cost AND still have to pay installments.
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What are the high out of pocket cost.
 
Alphazoid said:
Agreed. Also have the 6S Plus, ordered the X on launch day and when i played with the phone i just wasn't super impressed. Face ID is cool but not £1000 cool, and is slower and less flexible than Touch ID. And that's before Applecare, a case (which you need with glass front and back) etc. The camera isn't even best in class anymore (Pixel 2 is). So really, not sure what you're paying for that's a significant improvement.

I returned mine.

I used to upgrade every year but stopped when the 7 (essentially a 6S without headphone jack) and now 8/X (pricing) came out.
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I got the pixel 2 XL it is normally 850 but target had a $250 GC so i paid close to $900 tax included upfront but i can take the phone to any network.
so its 850-250= 600 +tax i saw alot of apple fans jumped on this deal it was there for only 2 weeks. i can never reward a company for overcharging and i wasnt prepared to spend 850 phones shouldnt cost more then laptops period

The pixel has some really nice things like potrait mode but this is not just a software thing . they use dual pixels in both the front and back cam. Pixel is the only phone to have a potrait mode for selfie cam.

VR is so damn awesome. its been there since 2016 but i didnt have the phone to use it. street view lets you to go to all the famous vacation destinations and use the VR. you can also do VR on ur own address super cool. games r so damn cool but that is to be expected

ARcores- so damn good although u have AR on snapchat and other apps the level of detail isnt very good but with AR in the CAM u can such perfect starwars they look so real its almost not beleiveable.

there is also voice authentication you can log into ur phone with ur voice so super cool

its totally rock solid phone with 2 yrs warranty rock solid battery everything u can ask for . updates for 3yrs . photo in full res on google cloud u cant really ask for more .
 
Nr123*123 said:
Are you on drugs? The general public can go out and buy the S8 for that price.

It’s also available directly from amazon at £579.

Or how about £549 from these guys:
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/sm-g950fzkabtu/samsung-smg950fzkabtu-galaxy-s8-smartphone

And John Lewis will price match the above, which I’ve done in the past.

So...you were wrong fella
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I’m only high on life, my Limey friend. In the US, I haven’t seen the S8 retail under about ⅔ the price of an iPhone, unless it’s refurb, in which case we’re back to apples & oranges. Maybe things are different on your side of the pond. (And in my experience... yes, experience... dealing with Android and bloatware accounts for the remaining third.)
 
I will be so happy when they don’t lower the price for the top tier model. They need to keep their margins in tact and if folks have an issue with the cost.

Pretty much a personal problem and not an Apple issue.
 
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