iPhone XS iPhone XS - momentary stuttering after inactivity

igroeg · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
Sure I’ll try to capture it with my 5s. That’s my spare phone.

Thanks in advance!

Christo128 · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
Sure I’ll try to capture it with my 5s. That’s my spare phone.

Not sure if your 5s with 30 fps is going to capture the stutter and frame drops but I’m sure you are already aware of this? The Xs for sure can’t maintain its 60 FPS. This was established and proven true by a tester on the apple forum. Have a look if you don’t believe me.

StellarVixen · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
I hate to play the semantics game, but here goes. My max is not having the “stuttering” issue. If my max isn’t having the issue that means not “all” a12 devices are having that issue, which means some a12 devices are having the issue. If you want to parse a lot vs some please feel free.

You are the only one fighting the windmills here, no one is listening to you, and no one cares about what you have to say.

Just sayin...

Christo128 · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
I hate to play the semantics game, but here goes. My max is not having the “stuttering” issue. If my max isn’t having the issue that means not “all” a12 devices are having that issue, which means some a12 devices are having the issue. If you want to parse a lot vs some please feel free.

A lot is more than some, so yes I will feel free!

I7guy · Apr 3, 2019

Christo128 said:
Not sure if your 5s with 30 fps is going to capture the stutter and frame drops but I’m sure you are already aware of this? The Xs for sure can’t maintain its 60 FPS. This was established and proven true by a tester on the apple forum. Have a look if you don’t believe me.

Whether the frame rate is 59 FPS, 60 FPS or 57 FPS is not the issue. It’s whether there is significant frame rate drops to cause this micro-stuttering.

Christo128 · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
Whether the frame rate is 59 FPS, 60 FPS or 57 FPS is not the issue. It’s whether there is significant frame rate drops to cause this micro-stuttering.

Don’t be a fool ! There is a big difference between 60fps and 30fps.

I7guy · Apr 3, 2019

StellarVixen said:
You are the only one fighting the windmills here, no one is listening to you, and no one cares about what you have to say.

Just sayin...

Just saying, I don’t post for popularity. I’m discussing my experiences. Take it or not.
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Christo128 said:
Don’t be a fool ! There is a big difference between 60fps and 30fps.

You said the Xs can’t maintain 60fps. Taking that literally can mean anything. I don’t assume anything more than what is posted.

Nhwhazup · Apr 3, 2019

Christo128 said:
How do you know if it’s only some? Seems to me that a lot of devices have this issue and I see it in all the new devices I’ve come across. If it is software then why is it taking so long to fix despite so many motivated people complaining. Don’t see why we should expect this stuttering issue to be normal in the new phones. If it’s not fixed now then we can be sure that all future releases will be the same and this appears to be the case with the new IPad Mini.
I am looking to upgrade my iPad but as I said before, all the new ones in the store stutter as well so I am basically not sure what to do but hold out for a bit hoping for a fix.
I am on my third replacement XS and they all have the issue! Do I just keep going until I am lucky and get one that is supposed to be perfect like some people have.

Wow. That is just awful.

Christo128 · Apr 3, 2019

I7guy said:
Just saying, I don’t post for popularity. I’m discussing my experiences. Take it or not.
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You said the Xs can’t maintain 60fps. Taking that literally can mean anything. I don’t assume anything more than what is posted.

So what makes you think a 5s with 30 fps can capture a phone with a micro stutter that’s supposed to have a fluid 60 FPS. You are assuming some people have this problem and that the majority do not, so where is your proof to substantiate this fact. I don’t understand why you would constantly post the fact that your phone is fine when we already know that and also I don’t see how you benefit to this thread.

Robertoxxxl · Apr 3, 2019

After what I have read now, I do not believe that Iphone Max collegues do not have this problem. Everyone here including me. They are used to the premium class. We can see differences between 60, 58 fps and what is only between 60 and 30. Not only that, I personally have a monitor with G-sync 240 hz and a person can get used to very high fluidity combined with image synchronization. we are struggling with this problem, I think it can be solved by issuing appropriate software patches, as nvidia does in the framework of new drivers. Apple does nothing and think we are blind.
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Robertoxxxl said:
After what I have read now, I do not believe that Iphone Max collegues do not have this problem. Everyone here including me. They are used to the premium class. We can see differences between 60, 58 fps and what is only between 60 and 30. Not only that, I personally have a monitor with G-sync 240 hz and a person can get used to very high fluidity combined with image synchronization. we are struggling with this problem, I think it can be solved by issuing appropriate software patches, as nvidia does in the framework of new drivers. Apple does nothing and think we are blind.

In my opinion, it is the smoothness of the system that always characterized Apple products. They have it exclusively and if they have been optimized before, they now give bodies on the whole line. The aspect of the animation synchronization to refresh the screen lies. declines fps in games. Problem with device performance management. This is nothing? People who know their stuff just to buy Apple products now? no prospects for any improvement.

I7guy · Apr 3, 2019

Christo128 said:
So what makes you think a 5s with 30 fps can capture a phone with a micro stutter that’s supposed to have a fluid 60 FPS. You are assuming some people have this problem and that the majority do not, so where is your proof to substantiate this fact. I don’t understand why you would constantly post the fact that your phone is fine when we already know that and also I don’t see how you benefit to this thread.

The 5s is the only other phone that’s right there and convenient. Don’t feel like taking out the DSLR to make a video. As far as who has this issue and who doesn’t, there is no proof either way regarding the percentages. All is known is some do have a stuttering issue and some don’t. And everybody’s experience seems to be different. And as I said previously sometimes not having an issue can help deduce the root cause of the issue.

macfacts · Apr 3, 2019

Not everyone's eye sight is the same. Some people might have the stutter but can't notice it.

I7guy · Apr 3, 2019

Yep there is always that...always the same three possibilities:
- you have the same problem and notice it.
- you have the same problem and either don't notice it or don't care
- you don't have the same problem or your phone doesn't exhibit the same symptoms

There might be some who can tell the difference in minute changes in FPS, such as between 60 and 59 FPS...just like there might be those who can tell the difference between 70 mph and 71 mph. But I would think most of us can tell the difference between 60 and 30 FPS. Maybe not all will care, but that is a huge visual difference.

Vexxx · Apr 4, 2019

Perceiving stutter is very subjective, just like perceiving flicker of fluorescent tube.

People have showed me a "stutter free" phone that stutter just like all other phones that I have seen. So one saying "I do not have stutter" does not mean that their phone does not stutter, thus informational value is zero in thread (how to know is it perception or the phone). It is different thing when talking about for example crashes.

By the way, it is funny how there are videos of stuttering phones but when someone asks a video of a stutter free phone there are lot of excuses why one cannot be provided.

NJHitmen · Apr 4, 2019

Vexxx said:
By the way, it is funny how there are videos of stuttering phones but when someone asks a video of a stutter free phone there are lot of excuses why one cannot be provided.

I'm not sure I've seen "a lot of excuses" like that. I can show you a stutter-free video, but what's the point? What does that prove? Even the users suffering from this issue aren't experiencing stuttering 100% of the time (at least, that's my understanding). Presumably, they could show you the same sort of video. The only way a video like that can provide any value is if we're able to identify a specific activity (sequence of actions) that always results in stuttering for those affected. Then, the question becomes: can other users provide a video of that exact same activity - minus the stutter? If so, then we know it isn't a universal issue.

And with respect to your first point: I wouldn't at all be surprised if the core issue is mostly one of perception. In a given scenario, mild stuttering may be blatantly obvious to you, but totally imperceptible to me. If we can identify the kind of activity I described above, then we might be able to reach some consensus on the scope of the problem. I'm game to participate if someone can isolate an appropriate sequence of actions.

Robertoxxxl · Apr 5, 2019

NJHitmen said:
I'm not sure I've seen "a lot of excuses" like that. I can show you a stutter-free video, but what's the point? What does that prove? Even the users suffering from this issue aren't experiencing stuttering 100% of the time (at least, that's my understanding). Presumably, they could show you the same sort of video. The only way a video like that can provide any value is if we're able to identify a specific activity (sequence of actions) that always results in stuttering for those affected. Then, the question becomes: can other users provide a video of that exact same activity - minus the stutter? If so, then we know it isn't a universal issue.

And with respect to your first point: I wouldn't at all be surprised if the core issue is mostly one of perception. In a given scenario, mild stuttering may be blatantly obvious to you, but totally imperceptible to me. If we can identify the kind of activity I described above, then we might be able to reach some consensus on the scope of the problem. I'm game to participate if someone can isolate an appropriate sequence of actions.

This way of perceiving how you say it depends on the interest of the parties speaking in this forum. If you belong to the group of people who are satisfied with their perception, propose to go to an ophthalmologist. By your way of posting, you contribute indirectly to maintaining the tendency of the quality of services and equipment from Apple. Even if in your opinion everything is ok, your statements are more likely to ignore the matter than its solution. The greater part of people buying a new Iphone for the model and fluency of action sets themselves previously owned or seen models, logical so that no one expected problems at this level. None of us were aware that the smoothness of the system will depend on the way you perceive. Such a pre-purchase awareness would mean that every second person would choose to compete or abstain from buying to avoid disappointment.
[doublepost=1554483310][/doublepost]Making it clear. The evident decreases in the flow of animations originating from factors completely independent of us are the fault of incorrect software optimization. With us in the city, the process of collecting signatures under a class action for the quality of services and disinformation that employees of the sales point in Szczecin are committing.

Christo128 · Apr 5, 2019

NJHitmen said:
I'm not sure I've seen "a lot of excuses" like that. I can show you a stutter-free video, but what's the point? What does that prove? Even the users suffering from this issue aren't experiencing stuttering 100% of the time (at least, that's my understanding). Presumably, they could show you the same sort of video. The only way a video like that can provide any value is if we're able to identify a specific activity (sequence of actions) that always results in stuttering for those affected. Then, the question becomes: can other users provide a video of that exact same activity - minus the stutter? If so, then we know it isn't a universal issue.

And with respect to your first point: I wouldn't at all be surprised if the core issue is mostly one of perception. In a given scenario, mild stuttering may be blatantly obvious to you, but totally imperceptible to me. If we can identify the kind of activity I described above, then we might be able to reach some consensus on the scope of the problem. I'm game to participate if someone can isolate an appropriate sequence of actions.

Yes that’s a good unaligned

NJHitmen said:
I'm not sure I've seen "a lot of excuses" like that. I can show you a stutter-free video, but what's the point? What does that prove? Even the users suffering from this issue aren't experiencing stuttering 100% of the time (at least, that's my understanding). Presumably, they could show you the same sort of video. The only way a video like that can provide any value is if we're able to identify a specific activity (sequence of actions) that always results in stuttering for those affected. Then, the question becomes: can other users provide a video of that exact same activity - minus the stutter? If so, then we know it isn't a universal issue.

And with respect to your first point: I wouldn't at all be surprised if the core issue is mostly one of perception. In a given scenario, mild stuttering may be blatantly obvious to you, but totally imperceptible to me. If we can identify the kind of activity I described above, then we might be able to reach some consensus on the scope of the problem. I'm game to participate if someone can isolate an appropriate sequence of actions.

Yes that’s a pretty good analogy of the concept that we are experiencing with these new devices. So basically only the acute and highly motivated personnel with high attention to detail would not accept this jittery UI.

For me coming from a faultless genera of smooth devices to the most recent, this is upsets me that this is going to be the norm. Let me make this very clear, I am on my third replacement XS and the issue is still there. I see it on all devices in shop and it is on all newer versions that are getting released. So, if someone can tell me that this is normal than I can make the informed decision to down grade my device to an older version that does not exhibit jittery frame rate drops and stuttering UI.

Seems to me the older devices are more perfected over time thus indicative that the software in the newer ones are not yet tailored and can not keep up with the hardware.

The only reason I post on this thread is to understand why countless people are experiencing this issue but for me it is establishing if this is a normal experience that we are accepted to see in new devices and to establish wether this is expected on all future releases. If it is, then I will not be waisting a grand for jitter, stutter crap when I can go for a cheaper problem free version that’s been perfected over the years. I just want that experience and UI without the jitter/stutter crap that I had in my iPhone 123456s and iPads, !

Previously mentioned on the apple forum that got taken down, is that thousand of people have noticed it and developers are struggling to get their Apps to run smoothly with the new hardware and software.

Robertoxxxl · Apr 5, 2019

Officially, Apple does not take any position on the emerging random drops in the liquidity of all animations. They play on time. It's enough to say that this is normal and their actions will fall to the bottom of the Ocean, we wait for the official position. Among the people in my surroundings, there will be a massive change to the competition

I7guy · Apr 5, 2019

Christo128 said:
Yes that’s a good unaligned

Yes that’s a pretty good analogy of the concept that we are experiencing with these new devices. So basically only the acute and highly motivated personnel with high attention to detail would not accept this jittery UI.

For me coming from a faultless genera of smooth devices to the most recent, this is upsets me that this is going to be the norm. Let me make this very clear, I am on my third replacement XS and the issue is still there. I see it on all devices in shop and it is on all newer versions that are getting released. So, if someone can tell me that this is normal than I can make the informed decision to down grade my device to an older version that does not exhibit jittery frame rate drops and stuttering UI.

Seems to me the older devices are more perfected over time thus indicative that the software in the newer ones are not yet tailored and can not keep up with the hardware.

The only reason I post on this thread is to understand why countless people are experiencing this issue but for me it is establishing if this is a normal experience that we are accepted to see in new devices and to establish wether this is expected on all future releases. If it is, then I will not be waisting a grand for jitter, stutter crap when I can go for a cheaper problem free version that’s been perfected over the years. I just want that experience and UI without the jitter/stutter crap that I had in my iPhone 123456s and iPads, !

Previously mentioned on the apple forum that got taken down, is that thousand of people have noticed it and developers are struggling to get their Apps to run smoothly with the new hardware and software.

Why does YouTube stutter but safari not? Co ready to some of the (perceived) condescension, there is such a thing that if one looks hard enough to find fault, they will.

No one can tell you if Apple will ever fix your device to your satisfaction. Only you can make that call.

Robertoxxxl · Apr 5, 2019

This is not about the individual. We are talking about a scale in which only one third of the displaced preferences of the perception of premium class members. Unfortunately, to my surprise, there are those who do not care about constantly raising standards. It's like you bought the latest ferrari that would have a constant drop in power, the service would tell you that it's supposed to be like that.

Christo128 · Apr 5, 2019

I7guy said:
Why does YouTube stutter but safari not? Co ready to some of the (perceived) condescension, there is such a thing that if one looks hard enough to find fault, they will.

No one can tell you if Apple will ever fix your device to your satisfaction. Only you can make that call.

And yet when I scroll slowly threw this thread, I experience jitter/stutter that I never had on older devices. Safari too, and on all replacements including this one (my third). If I want to have a smooth gaming experience I have to play it on my old iPad Air. Do not bother with playing videos at 4K hdr on this divine because it can not handle or play fluid frame rates.

Robertoxxxl · Apr 5, 2019

https://www.gsmmaniak.pl/973318/stuttergate-iphone-xs/

Christo128 · Apr 5, 2019

Christo128 said:
And yet when I scroll slowly threw this thread, I experience jitter/stutter that I never had on older devices. Safari too, and on all replacements including this one (my third). If I want to have a smooth gaming experience I have to play it on my old iPad Air. Do not bother with playing videos at 4K hdr on this divine because it can not handle or play fluid frame rates.

I think apple will never tell us what is wrong because, they ignore the customers, delete apple forums and annoyingly say yes in the apple shop, there is a problem but it should be fixed in the next update. But unfortunately all is brushed under the carpet to avoid media outrage. Just want to know if we can expect the stutter/jitter as the norm as said before. If so then, it is the beginning of the end as a company puts its financial need before their customers expectations.

I7guy · Apr 5, 2019

Christo128 said:
I think apple will never tell us what is wrong because, they ignore the customers, delete apple forums and annoyingly say yes in the apple shop, there is a problem but it should be fixed in the next update. But unfortunately all is brushed under the carpet to avoid media outrage. Just want to know if we can expect the stutter/jitter as the norm as said before. If so then, it is the beginning of the end as a company puts its financial need before their customers expectations.

In recent memory, I have never seen Apple ignore a problem in the long run, except for the iPhone 4...which is not really in recent memory.

igroeg · Apr 5, 2019

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