Allon said:
it is a bit noteworthy. a 320 kbps MP3 takes more processing power and more battery power to read and send the sound signal compared to a 128 kbps MP3.
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it is a bit noteworthy. a 320 kbps MP3 takes more processing power and more battery power to read and send the sound signal compared to a 128 kbps MP3.
Yvan256 said:
at the moment i think it's 160 kbps. no, i just checked one my AAC and it's 320 kbps and 7 MB in size.
i don't even know why i made this post, it's not relevant to anything at all.
Exactly!
You've got it exactly right! All Apple has to do is stay in the same ballpark as others in regard to pricing. The iPod was *already* greatly outselling iRiver, Creative, and Dell HD players even at a higher price. The 20 gb iPod now sells for basically the same price as a crappy Dell DJ at the same capacity.
Apple is (wisely) being extraordinarily aggressive about releasing new models and lowering prices. This latest upgrade will all but close the door on the competition.
The only thing that remains is to have a player in the sub 200 range. I'm still interested in seeing what the hPod ends up being.
To lower prices by 100 bucks when demand didn't even warrant such a drop is a refreshingly new and bold Apple tactic.
asif786 said:
You've got it exactly right! All Apple has to do is stay in the same ballpark as others in regard to pricing. The iPod was *already* greatly outselling iRiver, Creative, and Dell HD players even at a higher price. The 20 gb iPod now sells for basically the same price as a crappy Dell DJ at the same capacity.
Apple is (wisely) being extraordinarily aggressive about releasing new models and lowering prices. This latest upgrade will all but close the door on the competition.
The only thing that remains is to have a player in the sub 200 range. I'm still interested in seeing what the hPod ends up being.
To lower prices by 100 bucks when demand didn't even warrant such a drop is a refreshingly new and bold Apple tactic.
Really?
Are you just trolling? I mean its cool if you are, dissent is healthy.
But the 4G iPod is practically identical to the 3G. The wheel is a different color and they removed the buttons. If you walked past it quickly you probably wouldn't even realize it wasn't a 3G.
Did you hate the design of the 3G also?
hkriffraff said:
Are you just trolling? I mean its cool if you are, dissent is healthy.
But the 4G iPod is practically identical to the 3G. The wheel is a different color and they removed the buttons. If you walked past it quickly you probably wouldn't even realize it wasn't a 3G.
Did you hate the design of the 3G also?
like i've said before and i'm sure others agree with me...
i want the firmware to be updated to be able to be used on the 3Gen iPods. i hate how the new iPods look and i think that my 3Gen iPod has a much better interface than the stupid clickwheel on the 4Gen. It's easier, cleaner, and it's also much better looking than some grey wheel.
i want the firmware to be updated to be able to be used on the 3Gen iPods. i hate how the new iPods look and i think that my 3Gen iPod has a much better interface than the stupid clickwheel on the 4Gen. It's easier, cleaner, and it's also much better looking than some grey wheel.
hopefull theorizing
So I am one of the many with an ipod ordered but unshipped. Mine is set to ship on wednesday. I would cance it immediately but I'm ordering it as part of a cram & jam deal and the powerbook half of my order has already shipped!
Question 1: Is there any chance that my order will actually be filld with a 4th gen ipod?
Question2: If not, anybody think itll be possible for me to switch my order to the new gen and still get the cram and jam deal.
And as for the fine print on cram and jam, it excludes certain ipod models but otherwise says "any ipod". Seems that the 4th gen will have to be included unless they don't ship until after September 25th. But reports of near-zero stock of the 3rd gen ipods makes that seems unlikely.
Well, thanks guys
Charlie
So I am one of the many with an ipod ordered but unshipped. Mine is set to ship on wednesday. I would cance it immediately but I'm ordering it as part of a cram & jam deal and the powerbook half of my order has already shipped!
Question 1: Is there any chance that my order will actually be filld with a 4th gen ipod?
Question2: If not, anybody think itll be possible for me to switch my order to the new gen and still get the cram and jam deal.
And as for the fine print on cram and jam, it excludes certain ipod models but otherwise says "any ipod". Seems that the 4th gen will have to be included unless they don't ship until after September 25th. But reports of near-zero stock of the 3rd gen ipods makes that seems unlikely.
Well, thanks guys
Charlie
i'm sorry but this confirms everything...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032542/site/newsweek/
the bloody main site of newsweek.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032542/site/newsweek/
the bloody main site of newsweek.
$299 for the 20gb --> $199 for the mini????
>The 40GB unit will ship for $399 and the 20GB model will sell for $299, a $100 reduction in price. <
If that is the case, I would not be surprised to see the mini's price drop too.
>The 40GB unit will ship for $399 and the 20GB model will sell for $299, a $100 reduction in price. <
If that is the case, I would not be surprised to see the mini's price drop too.
It says in one of the newsweek articles that its coming out this week guys...
Is that at all stores or just apple stores and online?
Is that at all stores or just apple stores and online?
mhouse said:
Uhh no, I was expressing my opinion. The different colored click wheel doesn't work for me on an aesthetic level. The cool thing about the iPod was that it had no moving parts. Now they've gone to the click wheel (which was justified for the mini to save space, but the 4G in the photo looks like it still has space to spare) and even colored it in a way to make it more blatant.
Allon, the way the iPod works is that it has an internal 32MB Flash RAM buffer (current models) and reads data off the HD in 32MB chunks before it puts the HD to sleep - only waking it up when the next 32MB chunk is needed.Allon said:
With songs that are encoded at 1MB per minute (Apple's rough guess for 128bit AAC), the iPod would read 32MB of songs from your album/playlist, i.e. 32 minutes of music, at a time.
If you use Apple lossless, where the 32MB buffer would only cover 3 minutes of playback, you get 10x (!) the HD activity.
If 128bit AACs give you 8 hours of playback, Apple lossless will likely be in the 1-2 hour range.
If you use 320bit MP3s, with a 2.5 increase in file size (and hence HD activity), your playback time would likely be cut to 4-5 hours.
evansls said:
evansls said:
Your statement: "the new ipods are the exact same prices." Let's see, current 20 GB iPod = $399, current 40 GB iPod = $499. New 20 GB iPod = $299, new 40 GB iPod = $399. Yah, those are exactly the same prices.
evansls said:
No, actually that's not a saving. The iPods are selling like hotcakes, supply cannot keep up with demand, and Apple is already going to be reducing the price by $100. And slashing the price of the iPod minis like that? You can't be serious! The iPod mini was sold out the day day is was announced, essentially, and Apple still can't keep up with demand - why would you cut the price of a new product like that under these circumstances?! I suggest you take a lesson in Marketing 101. You may also want to learn about manufacturing costs, profit margins, and - well, I could go on and on....
evansls said:
Then you aren't the market segment which Apple is aiming at with the iPod mini. The iPod mini is not targetted at people who still want heaps of hard drive space, it's for people who want a smaller music player and for whom 4 GBs is no doubt plenty of space. If you want larger capacities, buy an iPod - you'll be able to get a new 20 GB for $299, $100 less than their current price. Oh but wait, according to your comment above, that's the same price as they are now, so why would you want to do that...
evansls said:
Who says you have to shell out $500 for a new iPod?! The 40 GB iPod is currently the only iPod which is $500, and that's getting slashed by $100, so you don't have to shell out $500 for a new iPod - the 20 GB will be $299 and the 40 GB will be $399. And then there are the iPod minis, if you're interested, for even less - plenty of options for less than $500! And even if the 60 GB model comes out at $499, who says you have to buy it?
hkriffraff said:
Fair enough.
Have you had a chance to use a mini? I was skeptical about it initially but now that I've used it, the separate buttons on the 3G seem absolutely archaic. Though perhaps the coloring of the wheel on the 4G was ill-advised.
People relax, the server is just hopelessly overburdened! It's not down, nor has any iPod article been pulled. There are just too many people interested in the iPod and that brings the msnbc server to its knees.rock6079 said:
Hit reload a couple of times, and from my experience the 10th -50th time will give you the article.
2A Batterie said:
first of all i'd like to point out that using for example 160kbps AAC with your ipod, you're not going to hear any difference between AIFF and the AAC, because the ipod isn't a hifi amplifier, but a portable music player. so using AAC will --in my opinion-- be the way to go. you won't get any of that glitching sound you get with mp3s.
secondly, if you still prefer AIFF, you can use the Apple Lossless codec with your iPod. The tracks will be compressed to about half the original files and they will still sound just as good.
with the lossless codec a 74min CD will be taking about 350Mb's of space, so you can have about 114 74min albums on the iPod with the lossless codec. so that will be about 140 hours of music on your pod.
Duff-Man says...I think the 2 new models will be available immediately - it is not like they are waiting for new drives that are not shipping yet. I think what will come later is the 3rd model - the 60GB one as that drive is not yet shipping....oh yeah!CubaTBird said:i do think apple will announce them tomorrow but then i don't think they will be availble for few months... what might happen is the 3g's could go down in price for now though...
Warbrain said:
Well then I guess ebayers better prepare for a flood of g3 ipods because I am going to do everything I can to get my hands on the new one. I am still curious about how the nw ones will fit into the Cram and Jam deal. I see nothing in the fine print that limits it to the g3 ipods.
Charlie
mhouse said:
Something about the spatial composition of the 4G just looks off. It's become more square, there's too much unused whitespace on the surface now that the buttons are gone (and those buttons looked cool with the orange glow) the grey wheel just draws attention to the fact that there's a big round clicky thing. I think the 3G is clearly a better looker than the 4G