iPod touch iPod touch 2.0

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Ooh, I love this analogy - see, some users DO get the new firmware for free. Can you imagine the uproar if Apple had given Leopard for free to MacBook Pro owners, but made MacBook owners pay?

People who buy new iPod touches will get 2.0 free, just as people who bought theirs after 1.1.3 was released got it free and those who bought Macs after Leopard was released got that free. I fall into both of those categories.

If you bought your touch before 1.1.3 was released, then you bought a music player that also had safari and email wifi. If you bought it afterwards, you bought a music player that could double as a PDA. If someone who bought the original music player wanted PDA technology added to their device, they had to pay for it, plain and simple. That will apply to 2.0, as well.

 

[Mars478]

How do you figure iPhone owners 'are probably gonna have it taken away from them later because it is a beta and very confidential' ... ? They'll get the firmware update for free, and it won't be 'taken away later' ... Or am I missing something here?

well have you seen the download page in the apple website in the developers section it says almost exaclty wat i said that it is confidential and cannot be distributed

 

[cheeseadiddle]

i am going to guess 20$...however if you spend that much mula on something of that class, you should get it for free..

That's how I felt about two $500 iphones and the monthly bill to ATT for both of them. Apple gets a cut every month of the iPhone. They don't get anything from the Touch except an upgrade fee.

 

[mavis]

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Ooh, I love this analogy - see, some users DO get the new firmware for free. Can you imagine the uproar if Apple had given Leopard for free to MacBook Pro owners, but made MacBook owners pay?

People who buy new iPod touches will get 2.0 free, just as people who bought theirs after 1.1.3 was released got it free and those who bought Macs after Leopard was released got that free. I fall into both of those categories.

If you bought your touch before 1.1.3 was released, then you bought a music player that also had safari and email wifi. If you bought it afterwards, you bought a music player that could double as a PDA. If someone who bought the original music player wanted PDA technology added to their device, they had to pay for it, plain and simple. That will apply to 2.0, as well.

Umm, what about the iPhone people? All of them get the 2.0 upgrade for free, which kind of kills your whole Tiger/Leopard analogy ...

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

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Umm, what about the iPhone people? All of them get the 2.0 upgrade for free, which kind of kills your whole Tiger/Leopard analogy ...

It's a completely different product that has a completely different payment structure. You MacBook/MBP analogy only works if MBP users had to pay Apple every month to use their device, or they could hack it and get half the functionality.

 

[Eraserhead]

I think it is perfectly reasonable to pay $20 for new apps. With the iPhone you are paying $60/month for the contract and some of that money is going to Apple.

Frankly that they are giving updates to an existing product without you having to buy a new one is such a change for consumer devices that you should appreciate the improvement.

 

[CPD_1]

And I wish I had the kind of money you seem to have to throw away on toys - there's no way in hell I would have spent $370 on my 8GB Touch last November if I had thought it would forever be just an iPod.

First, why did you spend $370 on an 8gig?

Second, even if you did pay way more for it than you should have, it was more than "just an iPod". Unless your telling me your touch came without the Safari web browser, touchscreen functionality, and a beautifully large screen, you bought more than "just an iPod".

 

[Eraserhead]

First, why did you spend $370 on an 8gig?

Thats what they cost in Japan, well $360 at the current exchange rate anyway.

 

[CPD_1]

Thanks. I missed that he was from Japan. Still, the other argument stands.

 

[Eärendil]

Sure. Wouldn't it be great if every single person in the world lived in the US? It's easy for you guys to make comments like this, but you seem to overlook the fact that for most of the world's population, buying an iPhone is impossible. So, we just get screwed?

Amen dude, amen.

 

[iMpathetic]

20 bucks. Screw that, Warez FTW.

Yeah, that's how I'm beginning to feel. I don't want to, but....

Please let it be $20. That would make me so happy!

 

[mavis]

People who buy new iPod touches will get 2.0 free, just as people who bought theirs after 1.1.3 was released got it free and those who bought Macs after Leopard was released got that free. I fall into both of those categories.

If you bought your touch before 1.1.3 was released, then you bought a music player that also had safari and email wifi. If you bought it afterwards, you bought a music player that could double as a PDA. If someone who bought the original music player wanted PDA technology added to their device, they had to pay for it, plain and simple. That will apply to 2.0, as well.

I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly narrow minded view. I bought my iPod when we were at version 1.1.1, and I bought it because it was far more than an iPod+Safari right from day one. I had mail, maps, and about a dozen other apps installed within hours of unboxing it. There's not a chance in hell I would have dropped $370 on my iPod if I had thought it would forever be just an iPod. Talk about throwing money away!!

So all of this 'you didn't pay for a PDA, you paid for an iPod!' garbage is just that: garbage. Some of us realized the full potential of our iPods right from the beginning, which is apparently more than can be said for Apple, Steve Jobs, and the sheep who think everything Apple says is gospel.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly narrow minded view. I bought my iPod when we were at version 1.1.1, and I bought it because it was far more than an iPod+Safari right from day one. I had mail, maps, and about a dozen other apps installed within hours of unboxing it. There's not a chance in hell I would have dropped $370 on my iPod if I had thought it would forever be just an iPod. Talk about throwing money away!!

So all of this 'you didn't pay for a PDA, you paid for an iPod!' garbage is just that: garbage. Some of us realized the full potential of our iPods right from the beginning, which is apparently more than can be said for Apple, Steve Jobs, and the sheep who think everything Apple says is gospel.

Then jailbreak and stop complaining. I love it when people like you categorize those who don't agree as sheep, all the while failing to see that you are a whiney little bitch.

No one owes you anything; certainly not a giant corporation like Apple. The sooner you come to grips with that, the sooner you'll stop being such a miserable wretch.

 

[winterspan]

here's my take

The fact that Apple already got in trouble with the IRS/SEC backdating crap, I bet they are walking a dead-straight path with accounting issues. How I understand Sarbanes/Oxley, they have discretion in how much they want to charge for new updates that they can't give away, but it has to be reasonable and if they made everything $0.99, they could get in trouble.

the $20 update was for 5 significant apps. The wireless 802.11N upgrade was $2.99, right?

So for an upgrade that adds some enterprise features and upgrades the internal SDK I couldn't imagine it could be any more than $5.

Besides, for all of those who disagree with this (like myself), you KNOW the hackers will have a new firmware 2.0+ version that includes the new features and SDK and will be free!

This does bother me however that other manufacturers of consumer electronics are able to update their products with new functionality without running into these accounting issues. The playstation 3, playstation portable, myriad amount of PMPS and DAPS - even the Zune, and many other products have been updated with new functionality with narry a whisper about having to charge based on Sarbanes/O.....

 

[156457]

Ok, people can say I'm wrong idc...

But it annoys me that iPod Touch users always get blagged off being charged for all these updates (especially UK who pay £3 ($6) extra for the update) while iPhone users get it free. Yes you can say all this BS about iPhone users paying monthly fee's, they're paying it for the service of a phone which includes minutes, texts AND unlimited EDGE data. iPod Touch users DON'T pay that because we don't have a phone in our devices. iPhone users pay for the service they get to use the phone, which is the case 99% of the time, you pay for minutes/texts/data allowance. It should either be free for iPod Touch and iPhone users, or charge us both. really pisses me off sometimes.

 

[aethelbert]

Ok, people can say I'm wrong idc...

But it annoys me that iPod Touch users always get blagged off being charged for all these updates (especially UK who pay £3 ($6) extra for the update) while iPhone users get it free. Yes you can say all this BS about iPhone users paying monthly fee's, they're paying it for the service of a phone which includes minutes, texts AND unlimited EDGE data. iPod Touch users DON'T pay that because we don't have a phone in our devices. iPhone users pay for the service they get to use the phone, which is the case 99% of the time, you pay for minutes/texts/data allowance. It should either be free for iPod Touch and iPhone users, or charge us both. really pisses me off sometimes.

You do realize that Apple makes money off of those plans, right? They're not naturally that expensive. There's a premium that one must pay for having the one and only iPhone. So iPhone users are paying as well, just through a phone bill and not the iTunes store.

 

[dscuber9000]

I think it will be $20.

I'll gladly pay it. Screw Jailbreaking. That won't get me Super Monkey Ball, Spore, and any other great game that may release.

 

[Nermal]

The previous update was originally $27.95 here, but I see that it's now $29.95. I expect that the next update will be around the same price.

The thing that annoys me is that I bought my iPod after the SDK announcement, but still have to pay extra for access to an announced feature. Sure, it's not much, but still…

 

[mavis]

I think it will be $20.

I'll gladly pay it. Screw Jailbreaking. That won't get me Super Monkey Ball, Spore, and any other great game that may release.

You know, you're probably right. I have a feeling all of us will eventually HAVE to pay, whether we find Apple's greed/ignorance/shortsightedness revolting or not. I have therefore decided to download a pirated copy of Aperture 2.0 rather than buying it (as I had been planning) and I will probably give a few copies to friends as well. If Apple wants to nickel-and-dime me with these ridiculous paid updates, then so be it. When the time comes that I have to pay, I will do so, knowing that the $20 upgrade fee has been offset many times over by my $300 Aperture 'acquisition.' Apple will never see another penny from me for software if I can at all help it. Greedy pigs.

 

[BrownManUPS]

I'm definitely guessing it'll be another twenty-bucker. No doubt about it. Of course, it won't be ANY higher than $20... You're out of your minds if you think Apple will make us pay a penny over twenty.

I think somewhere between 20-30 is reasonable, but I agree much above that and I'd rather somehow sell my touch and get an iPhone after that. Or kinda hold out until the newer iPod touch comes out with volume buttons and whatnot. So apple won't make a PDA but it will make the iPod touch extremely glorified.

iPod Touch users have to pay these $20 update fees three or four times a year because they didn't buy an iPhone.

Cool.

You are really bitter it seems. Though it does blow to pay 20 bucks perhaps twice thus far, you really gotta consider how much better off you are where the alternative is really expensive to keep up being a phone with expensive charges due to AT&T.

 

[aethelbert]

You know, you're probably right. I have a feeling all of us will eventually HAVE to pay, whether we find Apple's greed/ignorance/shortsightedness revolting or not. I have therefore decided to download a pirated copy of Aperture 2.0 rather than buying it (as I had been planning) and I will probably give a few copies to friends as well. If Apple wants to nickel-and-dime me with these ridiculous paid updates, then so be it. When the time comes that I have to pay, I will do so, knowing that the $20 upgrade fee has been offset many times over by my $300 Aperture 'acquisition.' Apple will never see another penny from me for software if I can at all help it. Greedy pigs.

Yeah, a company selling stuff to make money. Super greedy!

Way to break the law... This is why they have to charge so much for software, because there are losers like you who just try to beat the system illegally, forcing others to pay. Thanks for taking more out of my (and everyone else uses legit software/multimedia) wallet...

 

[BrownManUPS]

Yeah, a company selling stuff to make money. Super greedy!

Way to break the law... This is why they have to charge so much for software, because there are losers like you who just try to beat the system illegally, forcing others to pay. Thanks for taking more out of my (and everyone else uses legit software/multimedia) wallet...

I agree with Akon here, this is pretty low of you. I think SOX aside, apple charging people who bought the iPod touch for the iPod aspect and then learning that someday they may have the chance of getting the same apps that were on the iPhone was an amazing thing, and then being charged 20 bucks is not a raw deal at all seeing as at the time, the iPhone was more expensive (and still is) to keep one and have one (due to service plans). The case is still the same. The iPod touch is not meant to be the all-in-one business solution, so we shouldn't expect an SDK to come on it because it is really just an iPod...but because Jobs has given the touch users the opportunity to get an SDK, I think its great, seeing as the exchange support and other stuff (let alone SDK apps) is WORTH 20 bucks at least. I don't think I would want to pay much more than 50 for it, but I think 20 is reasonable because again, the touch wasn't advertised to be getting upgrades all the time.

Now, many people think Jailbreaking is an illegal practice. Personally I don't know whether to question the legality, because when it comes down to it...you can "jailbreak" your macbook using BASH to really tweak with the operating system. In fact hacking is a great way to really optimize the system for you, and Apple creates proprietary products but still leaves you the option of fiddling around with their OS. I think if you "risk" jailbreaking your device, that's up to you. I even think jailbreaking would be nice to do on a weekend, so long as I have the patience and time to do all the steps. The end result is a lot of free, handwritten apps that didn't cost any money at all, but that's because the people who wrote them wanted them to be free. If apple didn't want their device to be jailbroken more, they would have "fixed" it by 1.1.4...I think they just don't care because they know there are risks and that warranties are "voided" if you do that. It's your 400 dollar device.

 

[mavis]

Yeah, a company selling stuff to make money. Super greedy!

Umm, do we really need to go through this again? Sony and Microsoft have provided their customers with free firmware upgrades over the years which have enhanced the PSP and Zune, respectively - all for free. Apple is giving iPhone owners the new firmware for free, and they're also giving AppleTV owners new features for free despite the fact that AppleTV doesn't require a monthly subscription like the iPhone does. It all boils down to accounting and compliance with SOX. Now, I really don't understand why I should get the shaft just because Apple, in their infinite wisdom, decided to account for iPod Touch revenue/sales differently than they do for the iPhone/AppleTV. Why should I be penalized as an early adopter, when people who just wait to purchase their Touches will get the new firmware and all the new features, for free?

Sorry, I find the whole situation ridiculous.

Way to break the law... This is why they have to charge so much for software, because there are losers like you who just try to beat the system illegally, forcing others to pay. Thanks for taking more out of my (and everyone else uses legit software/multimedia) wallet...

I'm sorry, but I find the idea of having to pay for a firmware upgrade repugnant. Since I will likely be forced to pay (aka, nag screens in iTunes which cannot be dismissed without purchasing, a nice stunt they pulled in January) I am forced to seek compensation elsewhere. The best way for me to recoup my financial losses in this case is to steal software from Apple. Maybe if they didn't try so hard to screw their loyal customers, this kind of thing wouldn't happen.

 

[Diwata]

That isn't the same situation either. The reason iPhone users aren't charged, is that we are paying a monthly 'subscription' fee for our phones, of which apple gets revenue.

When you buy the Touch, it is a one off payment.

so charging iPod touch users for the same firmware upgrade is like a double income for Apple, talk about being greedy!!!!

 

[MadDoc]

I wish everyone would just stop bitching.

1. It costs a lot more to own an iPhone than a Touch. The users pay a recurring fee (sometimes for 24 months!) to Apple (unless they have broken the law and jailbroken). Apple have a greater margin to absorb costs when it comes to iPhone owners than Touch owners.

2. Why should this update be free? This update adds brand new functionality to the Touch. It is not your God-given right to be able to run third-party apps on the Touch - that was not stated when you bought the Touch. If you want that functionality - you should have to pay for it.

Apple is not a charity. It is a business. A very good one that makes good products but a business nonetheless.

MadDoc,