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iPod Touch: 'Mainstream Wi-Fi Mobile Platform'
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What you dont know is that most campus wifi is protected with 802.1x, a supplicant that requires you to enter your username and password...something the touch cannot do.
Name one thing that's not a silly gimmick, and I'll name you three things a WM6 PDA phone can do that the iPhone can't, for each.
[citation needed] 
cool. maybe there is more to the iPod Touch than meets the eye?
looking forward to new iPhone apps though!
looking forward to new iPhone apps though!
That is great news, but only if it runs a full Mac OS X 10.5.1 inside with full quality video out. The full Mac on your pocket. The full Mac on your hand. The ultimate presentation remote. Both wired and wireless. Like this, but with Mac OS X and Firewire:
OQO Model e2
http://www.oqo.com
Apple, you can now do it with Intel Silverthorne. We need tons now for our University.
OQO Model e2
http://www.oqo.com
Apple, you can now do it with Intel Silverthorne. We need tons now for our University.
The difference is, most consumers PERCEIVE the iPod Touch/iPhone as something different, newer and better than the other mobile platforms. That's the sales edge.
However, while you can argue that you can do the same things in browsers on the other platforms, I'd argue the experience on Safari is more reliable and consistent with that of a desktop browser.
Everyone knows IE is not standards compliant. This can't help with cross-platform web-apps written by platform agnostic developers.
However, while you can argue that you can do the same things in browsers on the other platforms, I'd argue the experience on Safari is more reliable and consistent with that of a desktop browser.
Everyone knows IE is not standards compliant. This can't help with cross-platform web-apps written by platform agnostic developers.
Awesome news...
...now lets see someone produce a decent dock-connector mic attachment that has good frequency response and couple that with a nice basic recording/editing suite that will do 24-bit audio and
can take the money that I will otherwise be spending on an Edirol or something similar.
Bingo-bango.
The SDK release is going to be the best thing that ever happened for the iPod Touch or the iPhone. Well excited to see what comes through in the next couple months.
...now lets see someone produce a decent dock-connector mic attachment that has good frequency response and couple that with a nice basic recording/editing suite that will do 24-bit audio and
can take the money that I will otherwise be spending on an Edirol or something similar.Bingo-bango.
The SDK release is going to be the best thing that ever happened for the iPod Touch or the iPhone. Well excited to see what comes through in the next couple months.
Sure they will cost, that's the point. It's really up to the developer to work the magic numbers.
Still beats signing up for ADC and writing your own.
Well you might write one or two but then i guess you'd be trying to make money if you do.
Yes. The mail application, avalible on all newer models (that dont have the price cut) and part of the January Upgrade Package, on the iPhone and iPod Touch are the same thing.
Thats not the point I was making, the fact is that this software has come a long way in a very short amount of time when you compare it against WM. WM has been out for years... the iPhone has not even been out for a year
No problem at all.... since it is no secret that what I said is true...
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/rep...ame=M&qpsp=106&qpmr=14&qpdt=1&qpct=0&sample=4
and thats old.. heres new numbers..
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3)
The part about campuses and wi-fi only applies if is not using radius, like my campus does. Lucky for me, they have good cell coverage.
BrownManUPS said:
The part about campuses and wi-fi only applies if is not using radius, like my campus does. Lucky for me, they have good cell coverage.
I also listened to that conference call and fixated on that comment. With the iPhone they get recurring revenues through revenue share plans with the data carrier. With iPod Touch they get recurring revenue from moderate price software updates. Is that a version of a subscription model?
The iTunes revenues according to Apple should be ignored simply because they bring down revenue growth rates due to lower margins per unit sales.
I wonder what the gross fraction of profits is hardware vs. software. I would claim hardware is multiples of software gross simply because of higher margins and Steve's statement the average paid content per unit is low.
Rocketman
The iTunes revenues according to Apple should be ignored simply because they bring down revenue growth rates due to lower margins per unit sales.
I wonder what the gross fraction of profits is hardware vs. software. I would claim hardware is multiples of software gross simply because of higher margins and Steve's statement the average paid content per unit is low.
Rocketman
You should do some asking around. The stock has taken a pounding today.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20080122&id=8076700
Not exciting.
Without 802.1x, all us college students will never be able to use it as a "Mobile Platform".
You have to be kidding me. The whole market is in the toilet and will be for some time. The fact that APPL is posting $1.58B in profit for 2007Q4 is nothing short of amazing. However, until this recession mess sorts out, I wouldn't blame the stock price on much of anything Apple does or doesn't.
If you are a day trader maybe. If you can think further out than tomorrow it's exciting. Apple had it's best quarter ever in both profits and sales. The Mac growth story has only started, given it was near 2% marketshare a few years ago and still only at around 6%.
No, the Touch is not accounted for on a subscription basis. Apple books the entire profit in the quarter it is received.
OK. Here's 5:
(1) Built-in Google Maps (and don't tell me that WM does it too, I've had both a Blackberry AND a Palm Treo, they both sucked at this. GPS or no GPS).
(2) BEST MP3 Player and Video Player on the market. Period.
(3) Best Browser (try to view a web site on any PDA that doesn't make you want to throw it against a wall).
(4) Best Photo Viewer. And no, this is not a gimmick. I use it 3-4 times a week to show things to my clients.
(5) And most of all . . . . Best Interface. Yeah, that's right. As an Interface Designer myself, I can't tell you how many times it made me vomit to look at the **** companies put out there and had the audacity to call something an "interface." If you make something that people would use many times in one day, make something that works well, makes sense and is intuitive. The iPhone made companies finally realize that a user interface for a cell phone, PDA or Smartphone didn't have to look like it came out of a bad 70's Sci-Fi reject film.
And I'm sure you going to come back with some rebuttal about how Windows Mobile can do this and do that and how it can make toast and call your mother on her birthday and how it can do your taxes for you and on, and on, and on. But the point is that yes, the iPhone can't do those things, but you know what? The things that it does do, it does them quite well. And to me, I would rather have a device like this that works, works well and doesn't try to do everything for everybody. When a company tries to do everything for everybody, it has lost the battle and instead settled for complacency and mediocrity.
You can settle. I won't.
Well. But it does. http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html
Plus: available _real_ GPS navigation, with points of interest that you can dial directly from the listing. With automated live update of your position and visual and voice guidance. Plus available third party POIs.
'k, I'll give you that. Swappable memory cards? 8GB SD are down to $69 these days.
Absolutely not.
Sorry, bored already.
Hey, it wasn't /me/ who claimed the iPhone/iTouch is gonna be the first mainstream wireless device.
So why do you settle for such a half-assed piece of manure like the iPhone/iTouch? Just because St. Jobs tells ya you don't need copy&paste etc.? (well y'all know all the points why it blows chunks)
Nope Apple aren't the first, there's others before it. In fact, I'd call any WIFI enabled smartphone or PDA with a worldwide marketshare ( note: worldwide, not u.s only) of over 10% 'mainstream'. All of these are open platforms too - developers freely allowed to develop their own apps.
The Touch would be a lot better if it was open. Until Apple ship its vapourware(*) SDK for the touch, its crippled as far as I'm concerned.
*If people call Android Vapourware on these forums, even though its well before its stated release date, then I'm calling the Apple iPHone / Touch SDK Vapour.
The Touch would be a lot better if it was open. Until Apple ship its vapourware(*) SDK for the touch, its crippled as far as I'm concerned.
*If people call Android Vapourware on these forums, even though its well before its stated release date, then I'm calling the Apple iPHone / Touch SDK Vapour.
Quite the rebuttal, there. Was that the 3rd thing WM does that iPhone doesn't? Because that does seem to be the consensus.
We have many Treos in my company, they are much-maligned. So were their predecessors, a mix of stuff. And nobody will upgrade (read: try something else) because we aren't on AT&T and they aren't allowed to get iPhones. Only 2 people really use them other than as a phone, and just for email on the road.