Iran Reportedly Warns Apple is Among Potential Targets

[ClaraStahlbaum]

The blame the Jews for causing America to go to war is a vacuous argument. History does seem to rhyme though on the scapegoating. Not a good look at all.

It is not a good look to continue defending an Administration that has betrayed almost every promise they were elected on. The Iran War is on Trump. The voters will likely not be kind to the Republicans during the Midterms.

 

[Madhatter32]

It is not a good look to continue defending an Administration that has betrayed almost every promise they were elected on. The Iran War is on Trump. The voters will likely not be kind to the Republicans during the Midterms.

So let me get this straight. You think it is better that people promulgate anti-Semitic conspiracies rather than taking a pro-American position. Yikes. It is getting scary in this thread.

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

So let me get this straight. You think it is better that people promulgate anti-Semitic conspiracies rather than taking a pro-American position. Yikes. It is getting scary in this thread.

The state of Israel and the religion of Judaism as a whole are separate, but people like yourself act like they are the same thing. To criticize the actions of the government of Israel does not mean you hate Jews. There are plenty of Jews who are against the actions of their government.

You conflate criticism of a war to anti-Semitism? Wow. I'm not sure what planet you are on.

I don't see how it is "Pro-American" to pay higher gas prices. A Pro-American position would be not starting the war in the first place, and continuing to deal with inflation. This? This is completely opposite to that. Trump has made the cost of living in the US go up.

When you pay more to get less, blame your favorite President.

 

[capamac]

Iran is probably correct; Apple devices probably *are* spies for the U.S.

If I were a member of Iran's government I'd keep my cell phone (if I had one) in an EMF shield most of the time. I'd probably not carry it on my person always lest it betray my position or identify my voice or the voices of others near me.

Better of with BSG-style landlines, impervious to Cylon penetration.

 

[Artemiz]

So your argument is we stop threats, therefore they’re not threats? That makes zero sense. The fact intelligence agencies are busy every day proves there’s a constant problem you don’t deploy that level of effort against something harmless. And the “you’re taking sides” line is weak. Calling out cyberattacks, proxies, and targeting of U.S. interests isn’t bias, it’s just reality.
You’re not making a point you’re just redefining threat so you don’t have to admit one exists. That is all.

That did give me a chuckle.

My argument was that we’ve been successfully stopping threats from enemies for decades, including keeping Iran from going nuclear. To put it simply, so as not to be confusing in any way or taken out of context, our counterintelligence measures have been more than adequate.

Everyone here knows states like Russia, Iran, and North Korea are constantly trying to undermine national security and that we would not accept any level of threat from them. Unlike Donny, we didn’t cozy up to the Saudis just because they gave his family billions. Most of us never forgave them for Sep 11.

Stating the obvious, like you taking sides, isn’t bias. It’s a reality. And you’re the one who led with “not taking any sides here” as if that’d make it more believable.

I’m merely stating that there hasn’t been any new information that’d warrant starting a war when the better methods we had until Israel lured us into this mess have been successful. I don’t understand how that translated to redefining a threat for you.

Having a proper plan is how you neutralize the enemy. Going in guns blazing to distract people from the Trump-Epstein files isn’t. (I’m using his own words here)

Take from it what you would. I can’t possibly simplify it any further.

 

[Mainsail]

Iran is a horrible despotic theocracy that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I feel for the people of Iran. Their leadership exports terrorism and does terrible things to their own people. But, the world is full of horrible governments that do horrible things to their neighbors and their own people. Are we going to bomb them all, whilst killing civilians and innocent children along the way? And make no doubt, we are killing innocents in this war.

On the other hand, we (the USA) have a horrible despotic authoritarian President that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I fear for our people. In my almost 50 years as an adult, I have never seen a President that lies as much as this one. He lies about absolutely everything. He lies about stuff that doesn't matter, and he lies about stuff that is of the utmost importance. So, we really have no idea what is going on with this war....and, it is a war.

He lies about that too BTW....even though he has called it a war himself.

He said we obliterated Iran's nuclear capability. Now, we have to go to war because Iran is going to have a nuke soon. That makes no sense. One of these must be a lie....or both.

He said he wanted regime change. Now, we are happy with the regime that remains if they will make a deal.

He said we don't need our NATO allies, and has insulted and threatened them for well over a year. Now, we need them to open the Strait of Hormuz, even though we did nothing to coordinate with them before shots were fired.

He said we are in negotiations that are going well and the Iranians are begging to make a deal. Meanwhile, Iran blew-up another tanker and claim they aren't even in talks with the US.

This is the same administration that told us that they shot and killed two US citizens because that were domestic terrorist, when anyone with eyes could see that was not the case.

Lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Don't believe a word Trump tells you about this war or anything else.

Edit: Hey numberfive, what is so funny? Is it the killing of innocent children that you find funny? The huge expenditure of treasure and debt that makes you laugh? Maybe it is our soldiers' loss of life that gives you a giggle? What a childish reaction!

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

Lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Don't believe a word Trump tells you about this war or anything else.

Trump lost my support when he said that his supporters are weaklings for questioning him over the Epstein files. That was it for me.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

Still cheaper than June 2022. Get back to me when it's at $5 or above.

Bit of a difference between recovering from a GLOBAL COVID PANDEMIC supply issue and a self-started WAR caused by our President and Israel.

EVERY SINGLE TIME someone (MAGA) refers to some (bad) statistic during COVID, they always appear to blame Biden and completely forget we had a global pandemic where every country had inflation and high prices. Do you remember that at all or did you sleep through COVID?

 

[npmacuser5]

Still cheaper than June 2022. Get back to me when it's at $5 or above.

Biden gas only hit $5 for two weeks and dropped quickly. We could easily be into a long high gas price today.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

That did give me a chuckle.

My argument was that we’ve been successfully stopping threats from enemies for decades, including keeping Iran from going nuclear. To put it simply, so as not to be confusing in any way or taken out of context, our counterintelligence measures have been more than adequate.

Everyone here knows states like Russia, Iran, and North Korea are constantly trying to undermine national security and that we would not accept any level of threat from them. Unlike Donny, we didn’t cozy up to the Saudis just because they gave his family billions. Most of us never forgave them for Sep 11.

Stating the obvious, like you taking sides, isn’t bias. It’s a reality. And you’re the one who led with “not taking any sides here” as if that’d make it more believable.

I’m merely stating that there hasn’t been any new information that’d warrant starting a war when the better methods we had until Israel lured us into this mess have been successful. I don’t understand how that translated to redefining a threat for you.

Having a proper plan is how you neutralize the enemy. Going in guns blazing to distract people from the Trump-Epstein files isn’t. (I’m using his own words here)

Take from it what you would. I can’t possibly simplify it any further.

This gave me a chuckle as well. Still going with the we handle it, so it’s not a threat logic…bold strategy. Appreciate the back-and-forth, though. Good chatting with you, pal. No need to respond I’ve said all I need.

 

[Madhatter32]

The state of Israel and the religion of Judaism as a whole are separate, but people like yourself act like they are the same thing. To criticize the actions of the government of Israel does not mean you hate Jews. There are plenty of Jews who are against the actions of their government.

You conflate criticism of a war to anti-Semitism? Wow. I'm not sure what planet you are on.

I don't see how it is "Pro-American" to pay higher gas prices. A Pro-American position would be not starting the war in the first place, and continuing to deal with inflation. This? This is completely opposite to that. Trump has made the cost of living in the US go up.

When you pay more to get less, blame your favorite President.

Hate to break it to you -- your argument is still incorrect. Israel does not control the United States.

 

[jon9091]

It is not a good look to continue defending an Administration that has betrayed almost every promise they were elected on. The Iran War is on Trump. The voters will likely not be kind to the Republicans during the Midterms.

Oh yeah…about the midterms. The guy in the Oval Office now thinks he can sign a EO banning mail in voting. This comes just a few days after he himself voted by mail.

 

[jon9091]

Hate to break it to you -- your argument is still vacuous. Israel does not control the United States.

Correct. They control Trump.

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

Oh yeah…about the midterms. The guy in the Oval Office now thinks he can sign a EO banning mail in voting. This comes just a few days after he himself voted by mail.

Trump's actions are wildly inconsistent with his words. It seems he has little convictions of his own.

 

[capamac]

Yeah supposedly Trump is willing to do Israel's bidding for AIPAC political funding.
Supposedly Israel has Epstein videos of Trump that Trump doesn't want made public -- if true, that's another reason Trump would do Israel's bidding.

Israel is a colonialist genocidal power. Not a good country. And why is the U.S. backing them?

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

Yeah supposedly Trump is willing to do Israel's bidding for AIPAC political funding.
Supposedly Israel has Epstein videos of Trump that Trump doesn't want made public -- if true, that's another reason Trump would do Israel's bidding.

Israel is a colonialist genocidal power. Not a good country. And why is the U.S. backing them?

This is why the Iran War is happening.

 

[AriaAmaris]

….and you wonder why we have to deal with Iran before they get nukes.

 

[capamac]

North Korea has nukes.

Do you know who's invading North Korea?

Nobody is invading North Korea.

Nukes are an effective deterrent.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

….and you wonder why we have to deal with Iran before they get nukes.

I wonder why -- You're not very clear on the intention of your statement.

 

[Artemiz]

Hate to break it to you -- your argument is still vacuous. Israel does not control the United States.

You should really do your homework before making statements like that.

Here’s one from AIPAC bragging about interfering in elections.

 

[magicschoolbus]

So let me get this straight. You think it is better that people promulgate anti-Semitic conspiracies rather than taking a pro-American position. Yikes. It is getting scary in this thread.

Bro why are you even bothering to speak with these people. They are out of their mind. it's even crazier on reddit where I am convinced it's just LLM Iranian bots with accounts. Just let it be. These people are nuts.

 

[jimmy_john]

That is not the stated goal though. The actual objective is to remove Iran's nuclear and long range ballistic missile capability (which Iran has proven it has). USA definitely leading per usual. I am genuinely surprised that people seem to be living under a rock for the last 47 years.

Best case scenario at this point is to get the JCPOA back in effect.

More likely outcome is Iran being in total control of Hormuz traffic - something they’ve sought forever. Massive strategic win for Iran.

 

[jimmy_john]

That is not the stated goal though. The actual objective is to remove Iran's nuclear and long range ballistic missile capability (which Iran has proven it has). USA definitely leading per usual. I am genuinely surprised that people seem to be living under a rock for the last 47 years.

The stated goal changes depending on the direction of the wind.

 

[BGrifter]

I think all the wrangling about what America should or shouldn’t do is a little beside the point. There are serious doubts whether America’s stated objectives are possible at all.

Regime change and dismantling of Iran’s missile capacity would require not just invading, but holding sections of Iran. It’s not easy to dig out a missile factory buried under a mountain. The entire time Iranian defense forces will be taking pot shots at them with drones and rockets.

I don’t think many Americans have the stomach for Vietnam-level casualty rates. It’s one thing to rally support for an Iraq or Afghanistan style bombing campaign feels relatively bloodless from the American perspective. It’s a whole other thing when soldiers start coming home in flag-draped coffins in numbers. CCR wrote a few good songs about it.

Maybe I’m wrong and Americans are convinced regime change in Iran is worth the price in blood and economic disruption. But I feel it has more to do with a lack of understanding of the cost.

 

[jimmy_john]

History books ... good grief. Stop with the propaganda please. The Iranian regime is pure evil by almost any measure. It has been plain to see for anyone paying attention for the last 47 years. But if you pick up a newspaper, you would know that the Iranian Regime you love so much murdered 36,000 innocent Iranian protestors in the street in a matter of ten days. It was one of the biggest massacres of civilians since WWII. It is using cluster munitions against civilian populations. So spare me your empty talk about "war crimes."

So the USA is justified in bombing middle schools in response? Feels a little gross.

Personally, I think the USA should not be actively committing egregious war crimes and bragging about them during press conferences.