Jumpthesnark
macrumors 68000
I see the goal posts are moving from "the media and liberals were silent about it" to not liking how the story you describe was reported, if indeed stories did use the word "transitory."
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Iran Reportedly Warns Apple is Among Potential Targets
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ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
When someone defends the killing of children they have no right to claim the "victim" card.
capamac
macrumors 6502a
Re: "the goal"
1) Control oil reserves. "Hand on the spigot." Who gets oil, who does not get oil. Plus profits from sale of said oil. Plus the petrodollar.
2) Control of oil as leverage over China. China's a "threat" coz it's socialist/communist and not sufficiently capitalist. American capitalists would prefer China be more capitalistic, but it's not. So that's a problem, just like it's a "problem" in Cuba. Coz they're scared to death of socialism functioning well as that could serve as a model for socialism in America. Which would threaten the billionaire class in the U.S.
3) Israel wants to be the West Asia regional hegemon. Iran stands in Israel's way. Thus Iran must be defeated so Israel can rule all. A nuclear Iran is impossible to defeat, thus the Iran bomb is bad. Thus Iranian conventional missiles are bad. Israel wants to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates.
1) Control oil reserves. "Hand on the spigot." Who gets oil, who does not get oil. Plus profits from sale of said oil. Plus the petrodollar.
2) Control of oil as leverage over China. China's a "threat" coz it's socialist/communist and not sufficiently capitalist. American capitalists would prefer China be more capitalistic, but it's not. So that's a problem, just like it's a "problem" in Cuba. Coz they're scared to death of socialism functioning well as that could serve as a model for socialism in America. Which would threaten the billionaire class in the U.S.
3) Israel wants to be the West Asia regional hegemon. Iran stands in Israel's way. Thus Iran must be defeated so Israel can rule all. A nuclear Iran is impossible to defeat, thus the Iran bomb is bad. Thus Iranian conventional missiles are bad. Israel wants to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
So what's your point here? AIPAC is comprised of American citizens -- not Israelis or Israel.
canadianreader
macrumors 68000
The problem there are blood thirsty psychopaths on both sides at any given time any decade any religion any place on this forsaken earth.
They want everyone to think like in Orwell’s 1984: War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.
We’re literally dragged into war to help Israel. Isn’t that point enough?
Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
Justified -- of course no. American officials have explained extensively, the US does not target civilians but mistakes sometime happen in war. When it comes to America though absolute perfection is required. Interestingly, Iran fires cluster munitions over civilian populations with impunity to no outrage whatsoever.
code-m
macrumors 601
jon9091
macrumors 6502
We’re going to bomb Iran and force them to reopen the Strait of Hormuz which was already open before we started bombing them. 🥴
jon9091
macrumors 6502
Why do you deflect the topic with Iran when you’re specifically responding to America’s conduct?
You can mention that as a separate issue but it’s not a valid response. You can’t justify robbing someone by pointing to another. You’d both be guilty.
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How much more proof is needed that Trump is doing the right thing, and it should have been done a long time ago.
I prefer offense over dropping bushels of billions to the Iranian Regime by Barry The Appeaser and DEI Joe.
I prefer offense over dropping bushels of billions to the Iranian Regime by Barry The Appeaser and DEI Joe.
Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
Maybe, maybe not. You clearly have chosen to ignore the US administration who have stated numerous times that Iran's existing highly enriched uranium and their development of long-range ballistic missiles posed an immediate threat to Europe and an impending threat to the US. Combine that with Iranian officials long standing threat to destroy America leaves little doubt that they would do so when they became capable. They were close and America chose to act. Better that than loosing a major American city. A European city ... that would be sad too.
“America! The civilians we kill in our war of choice are due to incompetence, not malice” …not exactly an aspirational cry. The kids are dead either way.
jon9091
macrumors 6502
More proof? There hasn’t been any proof. That’s why he’s already throwing people under the bus.
The current offer from the American regime is a far less restrictive version of the JCPOA that Obama negotiated and ratified with the Iranians that policed their enrichment program in 2015 until 2018.
Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
There is no deflection. Again, to repeat, America does not target civilian populations. Iran does. Accidents can happen. There are distinctions in the law and in common sense. Some people, who do not care one iota about Israeli civilians, should at least consider the numerous attacks on the neighboring Arab countries. Hotels, office buildings, airports, etc. Firing missiles at the civilian populations of non-involved countries -- isn't that against the law too? Consider 36,000 dead Iranians in ten days -- do they count in international law? You can go out there and make a citizen's arrest of Donald Trump if you want but you would not be doing the free world a service.
capamac
macrumors 6502a
Israel and the U.S. deliberately killed tens of thousands of civlians in Gaza.
ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
That's one hell of a "mistake". Now how do you propose we rectify it? I think holding the people behind it accountable, stripping them of all their titles, ranks, and throwing them in jail for crimes against humanity is a great start.
Now this, this, is the kind of humor I am here for!
Bedrock requirement for the next administration in 2028 is accountability for all involved. The Caribbean boat murders, war crimes in Iran, the insider trading…all of it.
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Trump just gave the Iranian regime $14B by lifting sanctions on their oil. $14B seems like it’s more than the $1.7B of Iranian money that Obama returned to them. Explain why you’re not mad about that!
I don't want that agreement, I want regime removal