Is Apple ripping us off with the Macbook Pro?

[Max(IT)]

The troll guy is Max(IT), by whom I have yet to read a single substantive non-fanboyish post. For God's sake, he labels the Elitebook a "Windows crapbook", even though it outspecs anything Apple currently offers in the mobile area and is probably better built as well. I have no problem admitting this, even though I'm a long-time Mac-user - because I can talk about these things objectively. Apple is not part of my identity or something, so I'm not making a fool of myself raving about "crapbooks" just to make myself feel better about my own platform.

As for you, I was merely reacting to that passive-aggressive statement you made earlier - in the vein of "hyuck hyuck, so you're getting an Elitebook, good luck with that and good riddance". Sheesh, can't we do without that attitude and just discuss the merits as well as the weaknesses of our platform of choice? Can't we remain objective and aware of the areas where Apple has yet to catch up to its competitors? Isn't that kind of constructive discussion the point of a forum like this one? If all we're doing is posting stuff like "wow, my MBP sure rules", "sure thing, everything else is a crapbook" etc. then that's not an interesting conversation. As Mac-users, we should always remain aware of the competition's offerings so that we know what we should be able to expect from Apple.

What got me in this thread was the pathetically triumphant comparison between the MBP and HP's Envy - the latter is merely a mid-range laptop with certain issues, it's cheaper and better specced than the MBP, but not very well built. In fact, we should be comparing the MBP to other "pro"-laptops, and as someone else mentioned, that's not the Envy, but the Elitebook. Now, a constructive reaction to that would be to encourage a debate about the advantages and disadvantages of the two models, maybe someone who has used both could chime in... But no, people like you and Max(IT) immediately get defensive and post stuff in the vein of "crapbooks" or "heh, if you like the Elitebook so much, why don't you marry it". The result: no discussion, no interesting posts... That's what irks me.

As I said several times there is NOT a comparison between a MBP and your beloved Elitebook because of the simple fact that it CAN'T run Mac OSX and software designed to run under Mac OSX.
So if you would like to speak about how wonderful is an HP notebook, there are hundreds of forums about Windows notebooks.

We can debate on how lazy is Apple in updating its notebook lineup (I perfectly agree on that), but there is absolutely NO POINT in keep doing post like "my Dell crapbook has 24 cores and a 6 Tb hard drive for half the price of your MBP" (I'm not speaking about YOUR posts), because this is just looking for a flame.
I am not a fanboy, I simply don't like Windows for my personal use (and I am a Microsoft certified IT admin), and I would NEVER suggest to someone to buy a MBP right now. Actually I would suggest to wait for an updated version.
For a Mac user, Dell could present an i7 for 300$, but who care ? It can't run Mac OSX.

 

[kasakka]

Also, you're just looking at raw speed and the related features here. I would agree that for the moment it's not that important whether Apple gives us 4 gigs of RAM instead of 8 in their MBPs or Arrandales instead of Clarksfields, but what about missing specs that clearly limit the functionality of the device? What about the absence of Blu-Ray, FullHD, HDMI and - hopefully the new MBPs will prove me wrong - USB 3.0? This is the stuff I was referring to, not the 0,5 ghz other manufacturers sometimes have on Apple.

The current MBPs can already do full HD, either on the 17" model or via the mini-Displayport connection on external monitors (where full HD makes more sense anyway). Should you want it on a smaller laptop display, you need to wait for OSX 10.7 which will hopefully finally have resolution independent scaling of the user interface. Otherwise everything will be too small on a 13-15" display. Vista and Win7 have this already, that's why high res/small size displays work fine on PC laptops.

HDMI is just missing the audio part, which is a bummer - mini-Displayport could support it just fine but Apple has decided not to do it for some reason. Having a separate HDMI connector is useless though IMO, adapters will work fine. Apple should simply add audio capabilities to the mini-DP.

BluRay is another issue, but BluRay burners are most likely rather expensive at the moment. Don't know if there are BluRay reader/DVD burner type combo drives on the market. At the very least Apple should offer BluRay support in the OS so you could just use any external drive should you want it.

USB3 isn't all that relevant IMO. Very few devices for it at this point and with Lightpeak on the way I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just skipped it altogether. Never liked USB in the first place..crap performance, ****** connectors.

 

[CP123]

The troll guy is Max(IT), by whom I have yet to read a single substantive non-fanboyish post. For God's sake, he labels the Elitebook a "Windows crapbook", even though it outspecs anything Apple currently offers in the mobile area and is probably better built as well. I have no problem admitting this, even though I'm a long-time Mac-user - because I can talk about these things objectively. Apple is not part of my identity or something, so I'm not making a fool of myself raving about "crapbooks" just to make myself feel better about my own platform.

As for you, I was merely reacting to that passive-aggressive statement you made earlier - in the vein of "hyuck hyuck, so you're getting an Elitebook, good luck with that and good riddance". Sheesh, can't we do without that attitude and just discuss the merits as well as the weaknesses of our platform of choice? Can't we remain objective and aware of the areas where Apple has yet to catch up to its competitors? Isn't that kind of constructive discussion the point of a forum like this one? If all we're doing is posting stuff like "wow, my MBP sure rules", "sure thing, everything else is a crapbook" etc. then that's not an interesting conversation. As Mac-users, we should always remain aware of the competition's offerings so that we know what we should be able to expect from Apple.

What got me in this thread was the pathetically triumphant comparison between the MBP and HP's Envy - the latter is merely a mid-range laptop with certain issues, it's cheaper and better specced than the MBP, but not very well built. In fact, we should be comparing the MBP to other "pro"-laptops, and as someone else mentioned, that's not the Envy, but the Elitebook. Now, a constructive reaction to that would be to encourage a debate about the advantages and disadvantages of the two models, maybe someone who has used both could chime in... But no, people like you and Max(IT) immediately get defensive and post stuff in the vein of "crapbooks" or "heh, if you like the Elitebook so much, why don't you marry it". The result: no discussion, no interesting posts... That's what irks me.

Passive aggressive? Do you know what that means? Passive aggressive is a personality trait marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

All I have been saying is, if you don't like what Apple is putting out, why not buy what you like instead of spewing all this negative stuff about Apple. This has passed the point of discussion a long time ago. There are multiple negative threads about what Apple is not doing. Wouldn't it be a better use of time if people went on Sony, HP, etc. forum and stated what they liked about their specs.

That's all I said. I went on a Sony and HP forum and could not find mention of how great Apple is. Now maybe there are threads out there in those forums, however, they are not as frequent as on this forum.

 

[Max(IT)]

Passive aggressive? Do you know what that means? Passive aggressive is a personality trait marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

All I have been saying is, if you don't like what Apple is putting out, why not buy what you like instead of spewing all this negative stuff about Apple. This has passed the point of discussion a long time ago. There are multiple negative threads about what Apple is not doing. Wouldn't it be a better use of time if people went on Sony, HP, etc. forum and stated what they liked about their specs.

That's all I said. I went on a Sony and HP forum and could not find mention of how great Apple is. Now maybe there are threads out there in those forums, however, they are not as frequent as on this forum.

This is exactly my point

 

[Tyrion]

Passive aggressive? Do you know what that means? Passive aggressive is a personality trait marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

Disavowed resistance! That's exactly what I meant! "Oh well, OK, get an Elitebook then, we don't really want you anymore..." - statements like this one sound passive-aggressive. Now, I believe you when you say that you're actually indifferent towards people pointing to better-specced PC-devices, but why even post then? It's redundant. The guy you quoted made a very good point by referring to the Elitebooks; he showed us that it's foolish to compare MBPs to Envys. If you want to compare Apples (literally) to apples, you'll have to compare MBPs to Elitebooks. Your reaction to this good point? "Welp, get an Elitebook then". Not constructive at all, I just wanted to point that out.

All I have been saying is, if you don't like what Apple is putting out, why not buy what you like instead of spewing all this negative stuff about Apple. This has passed the point of discussion a long time ago. There are multiple negative threads about what Apple is not doing. Wouldn't it be a better use of time if people went on Sony, HP, etc. forum and stated what they liked about their specs.

You know, not everything is always black and white. I like some things Apple is doing and I'm not happy with some other stuff they're doing. If I were completely happy with everything they're doing or completely dissatisfied with everything they're doing I wouldn't be visiting any Apple-centric forums - why discuss something you either love or hate unconditionally?
A few people, myself included, are currently frustrated because Apple is kind of holding out on us when it comes to certain product lines - their MBPs, for example, have become an embarrassment and people are itching for upgrades. It's understandable that there's some frustration even among dedicated Mac-users, because the competition is currently building better laptops than Apple. And no, I don't really want to switch, since I like OS X, but Apple is making things a little hard for me at the moment.

That's all I said. I went on a Sony and HP forum and could not find mention of how great Apple is. Now maybe there are threads out there in those forums, however, they are not as frequent as on this forum.

Well, why would anyone post such threads in those forums? What with the Vaio Z and the Elitebook 8540w, HP and Sony-users currently have their choice of cutting-edge high-end devices. They have nothing to complain about. Unlike Apple-users.

 

[Max(IT)]

You don't understand, but I'm sure that it's on purpose : you CAN'T compare a MBP to an Elitebook or any Windows notebook you like, just because they share similar architecture.
I could say an Elitebook it's ugly compared to a MBP, if I'm considering only aesthetic, but what's the point ? I can say that HP is one of the worst manufacturer, when you consider reliability and customer care, but what's the point ?
The point is that an Elitebook CAN'T run Mac OSX or any application designed to run in OSX.
So who cares if an Elitebook has better specs than a MBP ?
If I'm interested in a Windows-based notebook I would subscribe to a dedicated forum.
MBPs aren't "embarrassing" in any way: they are fast and responsive under Mac OSX, with a very good quality and a very good display.
The future MBPs, with Arrandale CPU, will only be faster.

 

[RT2020]

You don't understand, but I'm sure that it's on purpose : you CAN'T compare a MBP to an Elitebook or any Windows notebook you like, just because they share similar architecture.
I could say an Elitebook it's ugly compared to a MBP, if I'm considering only aesthetic, but what's the point ? I can say that HP is one of the worst manufacturer, when you consider reliability and customer care, but what's the point ?
The point is that an Elitebook CAN'T run Mac OSX or any application designed to run in OSX.
So who cares if an Elitebook has better specs than a MBP ?
If I'm interested in a Windows-based notebook I would subscribe to a dedicated forum.
MBPs aren't "embarrassing" in any way: they are fast and responsive under Mac OSX, with a very good quality and a very good display.
The future MBPs, with Arrandale CPU, will only be faster.

I really don't understand how people can defend a corporation?...like someone is insulting your race or religion?

This is a very good place to discuss these things especially if you are on the fence about what to buy...some people don't automatically part with their thousands of dollars just because the product is produced by certain company. If I were in the market for such a premium product like the MacBook Pro, I would REALLY be doing my research to see if Apple is committed to advancing as a computer company, or if its future is a gadgets company.

The vast majority for rumours on MacRumors are about iphone software and gadgets now.

EDIT: The fact that the Elitebook cannot run OSX is sort of a moot point given current circumstances. The difference between platforms is actually very minor now. Both are very stable, fast, and easy to use....both have their advantages over each other.

 

[HLdan]

I really don't understand how people can defend a corporation?...like someone is insulting your race or religion?

This is a very good place to discuss these things especially if you are on the fence about what to buy...some people don't automatically part with their thousands of dollars just because the product is produced by certain company.
The vast majority for rumours on MacRumors are about iphone software and gadgets now.

I don't see anywhere, where the other poster you were quoting was actually defending a company. But, to answer your question, it's sorta like working in retail and a disgruntled customer comes up to you and bitches about a product they bought from your store. They yell and complain to you until you get quite frustrated with them. Why would you get frustrated? Because the anger from the customer is directed at you and not the corporate heads.

Same goes for here, the people that either don't like Apple's products or are highly critical, come here, bitch to everyone who can stand it until people get frustrated with that poster. More often now than in the past people don't register here to ask for help, they come here for a therapy session when the vicodin stops working. . These same people seem to prefer to complain here in our faces rather than voice their frustration to Apple, thus putting people here on the defense.

 

[flat five]

EDIT: The fact that the Elitebook cannot run OSX is sort of a moot point given current circumstances.

what the?
just because you say that doesn't make it anywhere near being true.
osx vs windows is the main reason i don't even look at computers running an OS other than osx.

i've been using mac os for 12 years. i like it and it's all i know (and i know it fairly well).. i'm not even kidding - i'm a windows retard.. i have to ask someone how to launch a browser if i happen to sit down at a pc.

learning and incorporating a new app into my flow is one thing but a whole new OS? i'll pass.

 

[DaREdBaRoN]

I'm guesstimating. I was wondering if anyone here had any insider knowledge.

All I know is that laptops with significantly superior hardware (bluray, hdmi, intel i5 processor etc) to what's in Macbook Pros sell for $500 at retailers, so I think it's safe to assume that they cost around $300-350 to manufacture. And I don't see how Macbook Pros could cost that much more to manufacture.

Best Buy doesn't make a dime on any apple products, so the $2499 MBP sitting on the table cost best buy $2499. I know because employees don't get any discount on macs . I don't know for sure about the other computers we sell because I've never priced one but I'm assuming it's the same way. And if you wanted to buy all the parts of a macbook pro and assemble it yourself go ahead, but a company isn't "ripping us off" because they make a profit. Plus your $499 laptop doesn't run OSX so there is no way that it can be superior

 

[SecretAsianMan]

You don't understand, but I'm sure that it's on purpose : you CAN'T compare a MBP to an Elitebook or any Windows notebook you like, just because they share similar architecture.

Sure you can. You can also compare apples to oranges quite readily. In fact, any physical object can be compared to any other at least in terms of mass, density, chemical composition, and other measurable properties. For instance, my car has much less mass than the planet Saturn.

As it turns out, two computers are much more similar than car/planet tuples, so they may be compared in many more useful ways. You can compare price, chip speeds, benchmark scores, results of independent customer satisfaction surveys, etc. You absolutely can compare a MBP to an EliteBook (or to Saturn).

 

[RT2020]

what the?
just because you say that doesn't make it anywhere near being true.
osx vs windows is the main reason i don't even look at computers running an OS other than osx.

i've been using mac os for 12 years. i like it and it's all i know (and i know it fairly well).. i'm not even kidding - i'm a windows retard.. i have to ask someone how to launch a browser if i happen to sit down at a pc.

learning and incorporating a new app into my flow is one thing but a whole new OS? i'll pass.

I switched to OSX a little over a year ago with absolutely no prior experience. I use my computer for architectural drafting, 3D modelling, graphics, photo editing, and document layout. So, I do have a pretty complex workflow.

It took me about a week to be 90% switched over. With Windows 7 out, two two platforms are even more similar than when I switched. Aside from what the fanboys will tell you, there isn't that much of a difference between the two anymore. Both have their merits, and to be honest I cannot say which is ultimately better. The only real difference for me is this: I find OSX is more elegant and secure than Windows. Windows on the other hand feels a little more powerful and far more flexible.

If you want to stay retarded about Windows, I fully understand that. It may well be the far superior tool for doing your work. Hopefully you're not one of the people who bash Windows blindly though.

 

[MacVibe]

Sure you can. You can also compare apples to oranges quite readily. In fact, any physical object can be compared to any other at least in terms of mass, density, chemical composition, and other measurable properties. For instance, my car has much less mass than the planet Saturn.

As it turns out, two computers are much more similar than car/planet tuples, so they may be compared in many more useful ways. You can compare price, chip speeds, benchmark scores, results of independent customer satisfaction surveys, etc. You absolutely can compare a MBP to an EliteBook (or to Saturn).

Saturn? Why not just compare it to Uranus.

 

[flat five]

Hopefully you're not one of the people who bash Windows blindly though.

ha, no.. i'm pretty sure i've never windows bashed

there's also the ~$3,000 in osx software licenses i have.. maybe some of that is transferable but i've never looked into it..

i dunno, the ideas are the main importance for me.. the computers are just the tools for calculating & communicating the ideas etc.. i'm positive both windows and mac os would be fully fine for me but i just happen to know mac and nothing has come close to making me actually consider switching.. especially nothing like "well x-chip will allow your render to finish in 44.5 minutes instead of 46.3 minutes" those are basically bs comparisons to me personally.. especially when both systems are going to surpass those numbers in a year or less.

fwiw, i'm mostly anticipating this new mbp update in hopes of scooping up an almost new current model via craigslist for dirt cheap

 

[Tyrion]

You don't understand, but I'm sure that it's on purpose : you CAN'T compare a MBP to an Elitebook or any Windows notebook you like, just because they share similar architecture.
I could say an Elitebook it's ugly compared to a MBP, if I'm considering only aesthetic, but what's the point ? I can say that HP is one of the worst manufacturer, when you consider reliability and customer care, but what's the point ?
The point is that an Elitebook CAN'T run Mac OSX or any application designed to run in OSX.
So who cares if an Elitebook has better specs than a MBP ?
If I'm interested in a Windows-based notebook I would subscribe to a dedicated forum.
MBPs aren't "embarrassing" in any way: they are fast and responsive under Mac OSX, with a very good quality and a very good display.
The future MBPs, with Arrandale CPU, will only be faster.

Yeah, sorry, that's pretty dumb. I like OS X as much as the next guy, but it's not like Windows 7 is an abomination. And if we took your post to heart, it would basically mean that Apple can never do wrong - even if they release the crappiest computer on earth, it will still be superior to everything else because it doesn't run Windows. Hey guys, it may only be a Core 2 Duo, but at least it's not a WINDOWS CRAPBOOK
As I said, such an attitude is not a sound basis for elucidating discussions. Please accept that for some people, their choice of software is not akin to a religious faith. I like OS X, as I said, but I'm not married to it and I could easily do my work using Windows 7. So if I see cheaper PCs that outspec the MBP in every way possible, it's kind of frustrating (and no, I'm not talking about cheap plastic crapbooks, but true mobile workstations like the Elitebook or certain Thinkpads). I WANT to stay with Apple, but they're making it hard for me. I'm sure others are in a simily situation and it could be worthwile to discuss the PC-world's offering. If Apple's products are truly superior, why would such a discussion have to be curtailed? And if you're so incredibly happy with what Apple has to offer, why do you even post in such discussions?

Mind you, I will take back everything I said as soon as Apple release the new MBP with quad-core option, Blu-Ray and a decent GPU

 

[JJC80]

I switched to OSX a little over a year ago with absolutely no prior experience. I use my computer for architectural drafting, 3D modelling, graphics, photo editing, and document layout. So, I do have a pretty complex workflow.

It took me about a week to be 90% switched over. With Windows 7 out, two two platforms are even more similar than when I switched. Aside from what the fanboys will tell you, there isn't that much of a difference between the two anymore. Both have their merits, and to be honest I cannot say which is ultimately better. The only real difference for me is this: I find OSX is more elegant and secure than Windows. Windows on the other hand feels a little more powerful and far more flexible.

If you want to stay retarded about Windows, I fully understand that. It may well be the far superior tool for doing your work. Hopefully you're not one of the people who bash Windows blindly though.

I can't phantom how you could believe their is "little difference". I rarely touch a PC and when I have the unfortunate case to have to use one, sometimes I'm bewildered for a few minutes before I start clicking on things to operate the thing. To me a mac and PC are night and day. PCs are far more complex and difficult in the usability realm just underneath the surface. I've always appreciated the seamlessness and ergonomics of a Macintosh. They work well and consistent.

 

[HLdan]

I like OS X, as I said, but I'm not married to it and I could easily do my work using Windows 7. So if I see cheaper PCs that outspec the MBP in every way possible, it's kind of frustrating (and no, I'm not talking about cheap plastic crapbooks, but true mobile workstations like the Elitebook or certain Thinkpads). I WANT to stay with Apple, but they're making it hard for me. I'm sure others are in a simily situation and it could be worthwile to discuss the PC-world's offering. If Apple's products are truly superior, why would such a discussion have to be curtailed? And if you're so incredibly happy with what Apple has to offer, why do you even post in such discussions?

And if you're so incredibly "unhappy" with Apple's offerings why don't you go where you can get the products that will make you happy instead of posting in such discussions here?

 

[Tyrion]

And if you're so incredibly "unhappy" with Apple's offerings why don't you go where you can get the products that will make you happy instead of posting in such discussions here?

Way to twist my words
I'm not terribly unhappy with Apple, I like OS X, but I'm a bit frustrated with their current laptops. A frustration anyone would share if they looked at the current lineup's specs.

But as I said, a substantial update would placate me.

 

[MacSA]

When £250 netbooks have bigger hard drives than your £920 pro laptop it's really time to update. Apple's current computer hardware lineup is p*** poor.

 

[AdamA9]

I really don't understand how people can defend a corporation?...like someone is insulting your race or religion?

To some people it is exactly like that

what the?
just because you say that doesn't make it anywhere near being true.
osx vs windows is the main reason i don't even look at computers running an OS other than osx.

i've been using mac os for 12 years. i like it and it's all i know (and i know it fairly well).. i'm not even kidding - i'm a windows retard.. i have to ask someone how to launch a browser if i happen to sit down at a pc.

learning and incorporating a new app into my flow is one thing but a whole new OS? i'll pass.

Windows is pretty simple.

I switched to OSX a little over a year ago with absolutely no prior experience. I use my computer for architectural drafting, 3D modelling, graphics, photo editing, and document layout. So, I do have a pretty complex workflow.

It took me about a week to be 90% switched over. With Windows 7 out, two two platforms are even more similar than when I switched. Aside from what the fanboys will tell you, there isn't that much of a difference between the two anymore. Both have their merits, and to be honest I cannot say which is ultimately better. The only real difference for me is this: I find OSX is more elegant and secure than Windows. Windows on the other hand feels a little more powerful and far more flexible.

If you want to stay retarded about Windows, I fully understand that. It may well be the far superior tool for doing your work. Hopefully you're not one of the people who bash Windows blindly though.

Unfortunately a lot of people are quick to bash, without using it.

I can't phantom how you could believe their is "little difference". I rarely touch a PC and when I have the unfortunate case to have to use one, sometimes I'm bewildered for a few minutes before I start clicking on things to operate the thing. To me a mac and PC are night and day. PCs are far more complex and difficult in the usability realm just underneath the surface. I've always appreciated the seamlessness and ergonomics of a Macintosh. They work well and consistent.

LOL - if you're an OS X user you're going to be more accustomed to how the OS works, and naturally think Windows is cumbersome. Having come from Windows to OS X in the past month, I can tell you now that OSX is not all that 'seamless'. It lacks a LOT of simple functionality like; right click > sent to email, deleting folders of photos via iPhoto, instead you're bound to 'events' which doesn't help when you've imported photos on the same day with time/date (at least that's what the Apple guy told me when I asked for help, would love to be proven wrong on that if anyone can help), forward deleting with one button rather than two, deleting email and moving DOWN the list rather than back up, simple print screen.

I could go on, but these simple, seamless processes don't exist in OSX. And I'm sure someone making the transition from OS X to Windows would point out the simple things they know in OS X that don't exist in Wondows.

Don't get me wrong, I love how OSX looks and feels, and it's taking me time to get used to it, but you have to be pretty naive to say that windows is convoluted and difficult to use. It's simple. Just like I'm sure OS X will be in a few months when I'm used to it.

Apple has a great marketing team, they feed their users with this egoistic attitude that Windows is old and boring and Apple is new and the future, and people buy it. The simple fact is that Apple has sold to you. Benchmark tests prove that OS X is really not that different to Windows, it's all about preference really

 

[Max(IT)]

I really don't understand how people can defend a corporation?...like someone is insulting your race or religion?

This is a very good place to discuss these things especially if you are on the fence about what to buy...some people don't automatically part with their thousands of dollars just because the product is produced by certain company. If I were in the market for such a premium product like the MacBook Pro, I would REALLY be doing my research to see if Apple is committed to advancing as a computer company, or if its future is a gadgets company.

The vast majority for rumours on MacRumors are about iphone software and gadgets now.

EDIT: The fact that the Elitebook cannot run OSX is sort of a moot point given current circumstances. The difference between platforms is actually very minor now. Both are very stable, fast, and easy to use....both have their advantages over each other.

And WHERE I am defending APPLE ?
I just said that I don't like WINDOWS. It is very very different ...

Apple made and make (and will make) a lot of mistake, and pissed me off a lot of time (the integrated battery of my MBP and my iPhone are good examples).
I could list a lot of things I don't like about Apple, but this is NOT the point.

The fact is that an Elitebook CAN'T run Mac OSX, you like it or not (it' not a moot point, it's a FACT), so it isn't an option for me.
There is no point in coming here to say how wonderful is a Windows notebook, because this is a Forum about Apple's computers (or peripherals).
You can criticize all Apple's product, this is not a problem at all

 

[DarthSnuggles]

It lacks a LOT of simple functionality like; right click > sent to email

It might not be set up for you, but it doesn't LACK the functionality.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2488

The beautiful thing about it is that I can set it up to attach to the mail program I like instead of the Beast, I mean Outlook....

 

[mrsir2009]

I really don't understand how people can defend a corporation?...like someone is insulting your race or religion?

Well, it makes people feel better to belong to something, and in a lot of cases its a brand like Apple, Microsoft etc... But if others are bringing your brand down by saying bad things about it, you, as a human will try to defend it.

 

[Tyrion]

But if others are bringing your brand down by saying bad things about it, you, as a human will try to defend it.

Yes... If I'm like 12 years old and don't have a girlfriend

 

[mrsir2009]

Yes... If I'm like 12 years old and don't have a girlfriend

Yep, like a 12 year old boy would defend his XBox 360 to someone that says a PS3 is better He'd go to great lengths to defend his XBox, even if it meant getting into a physical fight. I've seen that happen, its priceless...