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Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, a fanboy a fanboy, a troll a troll. The truth hurts (a little).
 
Careful, RedTomato will report you. :rolleyes:

Are Jets about to release a JetTablet or a JetPhone? :) Mustn't slag them off without a detailed analysis of why their Jettiness is far inferior to Apple.

Oh I love a smutty joke between friend, and I've had some posts here deleted by our lovely uptight Yankee mods, but just grunting out 'You Sucks' at Apple's competitors is just bringing us down to their level. (see what I did there :) )

If we don't take a firm hold of ourselves and put a finger in the dyke, it's back to the days of "Windozes sucks, Macz r cool" over and over again.

x RT
 
I too agree with your assessment of the term fanboy. Whether on one side of the computer ecosphere or the other, there are definitely people who we all see in the forums on the Net.

I myself was in the Windows camp for many years. I was a member of a Fortune 100 Windows Team that ran their entire Windows ecosystem. I was also a member of their Security Team that managed all of the Windows Server infrastructure in the enterprise.

I personally was in charge of around 250 servers out of about 4,000 total. Those that I managed were very demanding. A subset of these were deemed FDA Validated. I was personally in charge of managing 35 Servers that required that ANYTHING requiring the most minor change had to go through flaming hoops via ITIL Change Control with sign off of all parties.

From that you would think that I was a Windows fanboy. Well, long story short, I decided to personally leave that mess of constant patching, security issues and endless tweaking behind on my own home network.

Am I a Mac fanboy? I don't know, but I have been on both sides of the computing fence.

I personally do not give any fanboy much credence unless they have actually dealt with both platforms. Unless someone can state that they have worked with one in an enterprise environment day to day and then actually used another, they do not have much credibility IMHO.

Not long ago, I walked on the raised floors of a multi-billion dollar installation of Windows servers, UNIX and Mainframe boxes too. Each has their place, but no one solution IMHO should be dismissed out of hand.

For a real example of a fanboy, you should check out the endless postings of "NonZealot" on ZDNet. A warning that more than a few reads of his/her posts over time can cause your blood pressure to elevate. :D

I totally hear you. While fun being on both sides, all I had to do to get working well on the Mac side was take a class. One class.

To truly feel comfortable with Windows, I took the class, and then some more, but then got Microsoft Certified, and then entered a University of California PhD program to aid my PC "world" business. I wanted to also work the Mac side, but there was simply little or no work. That says something other than Apple's small market share.

Life is tough, get a helmet

Hmmmmm, think I will get one with a big "G" on the side

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Woof, Woof - Dawg
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What did Green Bay not get over their loss and decide to merge with the Arizona Cardinals?:confused:
 
I'm wondering if calling someone a "fanboy" is considered an insult and should it be reported as such?

Without any intention of derailing or discouraging the conversation, I did want to just point out that (a) we always attempt to consider each concern on its own merits, and accordingly (b) if you find it insulting, please do report it. I'm not saying this will always result in the post being deleted or any other action being taken, but you should at least know that we will read your report and look into it.
 
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Then they should put some real man into their helmet, man. Or have some resemblance of a bulldog and not a ripped off Green Bay logo. :)

This will not even be dignified with a rebuttal :rolleyes:

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The rebuttal is presenting facts and dates to which I can do in 3...2...1...


Then they should put some real man into their helmet, man. Or have some resemblance of a bulldog and not a ripped off Green Bay logo. :)

Actually they did not rip off Green Bay at all and I'm keeping the man card. :D :p

Georgia Bulldogs Football has had a football team since 1892 whereas the Green Bay Packers became a team in 1919.
 
Ok, before anybody comes along and tries to one up with a trump card... I will set the record straight myself.

Georgia Bulldog traditions

The Georgia "G" Helmet

The unique Georgia helmet featuring the oval "G" has become a tradition that is known across the country as the logo of the Georgia Bulldogs. The basic design was instituted by Vince Dooley when he became head coach in 1964. He had been impressed with the look of the helmet worn by the Green Bay Packers which featued the oval "G" but in a different color scheme. Dooley settled on the black oval "G" surrounded by a white oval background resting on each side of the bright red helmet. A white stripe was placed over the top. The design has remained basically the same ever since; however, a smaller black stripe was added inside the white stripe over the top in 1996 by new head coach Jim Donnan.

My non-rebuttal was due to the characterization of a rip-off... when it was clear homage to the Packer's look and tradition, which Dooley wanted to emulate.

:)


Props to jessica. for having my back though

And by the way, those other helmets are butt ugly
Just sayin'

Go Dawgs... sic 'em

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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Ok, before anybody comes along and tries to one up with a trump card... I will set the record straight myself.

Georgia Bulldog traditions



My non-rebuttal was due to the characterization of a rip-off... when it was clear homage to the Packer's look and tradition, which Dooley wanted to emulate.

:)


Props to jessica. for having my back though

And by the way, those other helmets are butt ugly
Just sayin'

Go Dawgs... sic 'em

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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I was having fun with y'all ;)

I did know that the logo was made AFTER the Packers, not before. It would be strange for a professional football team to copy a logo of a college that closely.

But I don't mind when a college team or a high school team uses colors and logos exactly, or very similar to a pro logo. In little league we had uniforms pretty close to that of the St. Louis Cardinals. And when McGwire was out there hitting home runs in that uniform, I was pretty proud. But way back when, our "Cardinals" were either in last place or second to last and nobody on our team ever hit a home run. :)

I totally sucked in little league and never once got a hit. It wasn't until my late 20s until I realized that I could hit a ball for a country mile, but by then little league was over and so was high school and college. The funny thing is I learned how to nail the baseball after I learned a little bit about driving golf balls. Hitting a golf ball lodged 3/4s of the way into the muddy swamp grass, when your shoes and socks are wet, and its raining, is a lot harder than hitting a baseball pitch.
 
My problem is that usually the term "fanboy" is used in an argument when they just want to shut someone up. Someone may be defending Apple or an Apple product with very logical reasons but they will be called "fanboy" by people that just don't know how to participate in a rational discussion.

I have no problem in being a "fangirl", I have a problem with how the term "fanboy/girl" is used against people as an insult.

Very few people who make a logical argument in defense of Apple receive the "fanboy" badge. It's the people who maintain that Apple is infallible and that anyone who receives a defective product or who questions Apple's product/marketing/pricing/??? strategy is the problem. These people, according to the fanboys, should not be allowed to say anything other than "Apple, right or wrong!"

If you're going to take exception to the word "fanboy" or "fangirl," you might want to think about how much you're reading into it. You're taking it too personally, it seems to me.
 
Very few people who make a logical argument in defense of Apple receive the "fanboy" badge. It's the people who maintain that Apple is infallible and that anyone who receives a defective product or who questions Apple's product/marketing/pricing/??? strategy is the problem. These people, according to the fanboys, should not be allowed to say anything other than "Apple, right or wrong!"

If you're going to take exception to the word "fanboy" or "fangirl," you might want to think about how much you're reading into it. You're taking it too personally, it seems to me.

Actually no, a lot of the times people are called "fanboys" for simply defending Apple, even if they do it while presenting logical arguments.

And I can't be taking it personally because I wasn't called a fanboy (or fangirl), but I see it a lot in the iPhone forums and it bothers me that people can't seem to argue their point while still being civil.

Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, a fanboy a fanboy, a troll a troll. The truth hurts (a little).

Well, calling someone a "troll" IS an insult and people have gotten bans/time outs for it.

Again, the problem isn't someone just calling another "fanboy"; the problem is when they do it to incite reactions, when they can't find any smart arguments to back up their claims, thus making it very hard to have a mature discussion.
 
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Well, calling someone a "troll" IS an insult and people have gotten bans/time outs for it.

Again, the problem isn't someone just calling another "fanboy"; the problem is when they do it to incite reactions, when they can't find any smart arguments to back up their claims, thus making it very hard to have a mature discussion.

1) Calling someone a "troll" or a "fanboy" can be appropriately descriptive.
2) Throwing these (or any labels) around to verbally injure someone intentionally is juvenile, mean-spirited, and wrong.
3) But, in most cases, those who throw out "fanboy" usually wish to truncate dialogue as they usually have little defense to their side of the discussion (however, someone being the archetypal "fanboy" and refusing to admit Apple faults is just as guilty).
 
I'm wondering if calling someone a "fanboy" is considered an insult and should it be reported as such? If it's not I think it should be.

Should it balls. If you find some pathetic kid on this forum calling you a fanboi insulting, you need to get a backbone.
 
If a person is not going to have a rational discussion on a topic and just agree with Apple because the company can do no wrong then yes fanboy is acceptable.
 
If a person is not going to have a rational discussion on a topic and just agree with Apple because the company can do no wrong then yes fanboy is acceptable.

Why is it more acceptable then? How does that help ANY discussion? Can't people have mature arguments without resorting to name calling anymore?

Plus, even though I agree that it is really annoying when people defend Apple no matter what this IS a mac website and people should have the right to express their opinions without others insulting them.
 
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Why is it more acceptable then? How does that help ANY discussion? Can't people have mature arguments without resorting to name calling anymore?

Plus, even though I agree that it is really annoying when people defend Apple no matter what this IS a mac website and people should have the right to express their opinions without others insulting them.
Personally I find the people that I consider fanboys to be far more obnoxious then a person that can have a normal discussion.
 
But if you're calling them fanboys instead of having a normal discussion how are you better? How does that help anything?
That is the problem, you can't have a normal discussion with them. I could get more out of a brick wall.
 
That is the problem, you can't have a normal discussion with them.

Then don't. Just ignore them. Antagonizing users by calling them "fanboys" (whether you think they deserve it or not) just makes matters worse. And it doesn't matter how wrong you think they are and how annoying they may be they still have a right to their opinion too.
 
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Then don't. Just ignore them. Antagonizing users by calling them "fanboys" (whether you think they deserve it or not) just makes matters worse. And it doesn't matter how wrong you think they are and how annoying they may be they still have a right to their opinion too.
That is the reason why I stay out of the Apple discussion area. But I don't think the term is an insult if you have a group of people that won't listen to reason.

A Fanboy that just stirs the pot is just as much a troll in my book.
 
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