We're comparing 8.1.3 to 7.1.2. Your argument is invalid. Even by this time last year the 7.1 beta was more of an improvement. Not to mention we already have betas of 8.2 and 8.3 to look at as well.
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Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?
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We're comparing 8.1.3 to 7.1.2. Your argument is invalid. Even by this time last year the 7.1 beta was more of an improvement. Not to mention we already have betas of 8.2 and 8.3 to look at as well.
yeah 7.1 came out in mid March and mainly gave us speed improvements and some bug fixes. 7.1.1 and 7.1.2 came out in mid April and end of June respectively.
Comparing 8.1 to 7.1 is still nonsense since they are not the same. 8.1 came out 1 month after release, it could have been any .x.x update really. Not the same at all to compare a .1 update that took 6-7 months with a .1 update that took a 1-2 months. Also 7.1 didn't fix all problems and wasn't where it is now till 7.1.2 which cam out in JUNE, thats 10 months after release.
The reason you think 7.1 was such an improvement is because 7.0 was so bad and slow. Again people and their short term memory, iOS 8.0 was nowhere near as bad as 7.0. Not even close.
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The main point is 7.1.2 is better than 7.0 or any version of 8. Updates to 8 haven't made much of a noticeable improvement and that is the problem.
A5 devices would beg to differ that 8.0 is better than 7.0 also.
Prior to iOS 7 I would say that .0 versions were more polished. Don't think anyone is saying they were perfect or anything like that, but certainly more polished.
That said, the availability of a simple ability to downgrade to a previous known good version that has worked well for someone if they are running into issues of some type with a newer version would improve things.
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For some 8.0 has been better or at least no worse than 7.0, for plenty of others it has been worse.
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That's a nonsensical argument, because not all updates come out on the same schedule or numbering scheme. 7.1.2 came out on June 30 last year. And 7.1, which fixed most of the persistent bugs, didn't come out until March 10 last year.
It does not invalidate the argument that you cannot compare an EOL iOS version with a x.0 version or in-progress version, at least when it comes to stability, because the issues and objectives with each OS are different. As I mentioned earlier, even the much celebrated Snow Leopard had one of the most serious OS X bugs ever at launch, and it broke more applications than any prior OS X version.
As someone who bought an iPhone 5s at launch, I can definitely say that for me iOS 8.0 was a LOT more stable than 7.0 (how quickly people have forgotten about the "white screen of death" that plagued A7 devices). And right now, iOS 8.1.3 is at least as stable as 7.1.2 was on my phone.
I don't know how people can say 7.0 was worse than 8.0.
The worst problem I had with 7.0 was random respringing that happened maybe once every few days and that only affected 64-bit devices (iPhone 5s).
With 8.0 the worst problem I had (and still see periodically) is the complete loss of Wifi and cellular data until the device is rebooted. Probably tied with that was the one time I couldn't answer a phone call, because the UI locked up until the phone stopped ringing. There's also all the UI glitches, that 7.0 didn't have, despite the UI being completely revamped.
The worst problem I had with 7.0 was random respringing that happened maybe once every few days and that only affected 64-bit devices (iPhone 5s).
With 8.0 the worst problem I had (and still see periodically) is the complete loss of Wifi and cellular data until the device is rebooted. Probably tied with that was the one time I couldn't answer a phone call, because the UI locked up until the phone stopped ringing. There's also all the UI glitches, that 7.0 didn't have, despite the UI being completely revamped.
Maybe because different people with different devices and different setups end up with different results. Are you presuming that your experience is universally applicable? You certainly imply that with a statement like that.
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The random resprings happened almost on a daily basis on my phone until 7.0.4 came out. But, I also had application crashes occurring very frequently (Safari especially), and the "white screen of death" where the phone had to completely restart occurred on about a weekly basis on my phone.
To date, I've had exactly one respring occurrence with iOS 8, and since iOS 8.0.2, I've had very few app crashes as well. I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw an app crash, and cannot recall Safari crashing with iOS 8.
No issues with wi-fi (except at work, where we have an old router that causes problems for every device, whether PCs or phones) and no issues with cellular data except for the usual network gaps. And I've only been able to verify one UI glitch out of the various examples that get posted here. Like I said, for me iOS 8.1.3 runs at least as well as 7.1.2 did, and 8.0 was much more stable than 7.0.
iOS 8 is actually a far broader under-the-hood revision than iOS 7 (with the exception of the 64-bit migration, which is why A7 devices fared much worse than 32-bit devices).
iOS 1.0 itself was rushed into production by Jobs so shortcuts were taken. On top of that iOS was not originally conceived to run apps. Sure you can refactor along the way but over 7, coming on 8 years a lot of entropy has taken hold. As more and more features are added, as well as more and more device types, all the while trying to retain backward compatibility and adhere to an extremely aggressive annual schedule its only going to get worse. At this point, its probably so big and unwieldy that only a few original developers/architects truly understand the big picture. With the number of combinations and configurations regression testing is a nightmare. As a consumer you have the choice of: [1] Frequent updates [2] Stable [3] Feature filled. Pick any 2.
When software gets to that point, it's best to just start over but Apple is not blameless in this affair. They should have stopped selling aged hardware which they now have to support.
It would be great if Apple were to design a truly 64bit only OS and just moved forward. It's the same problem Microsoft has been dealing with over the years with Windows.
It's possible to start with a clean slate and move forward but many with older hardware would be cutout. I have no problem with that approach.
Apple might already be having a small team working on a brand new kernel and getting basic functions of iDevices working from a totally new code.
But that will completely break compatibility of existing apps or be run under some emulator. So a rewrite of iOS from ground up will be very painful experience for Apple's customers, developers and Apple themselves. So it's a lose-lose situation.
Apple can trim out the legacy code, images from iOS 6 era which pop up from time to time. Make it lean and mean to around 1 GB in size.
I remember iOS 2 size to be around 200 MB. What a dream it was to run. But later versions almost doubled in size year after year.
But that will completely break compatibility of existing apps or be run under some emulator. So a rewrite of iOS from ground up will be very painful experience for Apple's customers, developers and Apple themselves. So it's a lose-lose situation.
Apple can trim out the legacy code, images from iOS 6 era which pop up from time to time. Make it lean and mean to around 1 GB in size.
I remember iOS 2 size to be around 200 MB. What a dream it was to run. But later versions almost doubled in size year after year.
Windows greatest strength is it can run apps from years ago. The problem Microsoft has, if that is what you mean by problem, is making sure windows updates don't break legacy code.
Thanks, that's what I have been trying to tell people. 7.0 was terrible when released. It was slow, laggy, unresponsive and full of bugs. Ios 8.0 was pretty good, definatly much better than 7.0. Not saying 8 is perfect but some people just seem to have bad memory.
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So you consider resprings and freezing less serious than occasionally wifi issues? I mean half the problem with wifi are people probably using a router from the 90s. I know of no person that has Wifi issues be it my family or friends, especially now.
8.0 didn't have any of the resprings, crashes, slowness, laginess and freezing issues that 7.0 had. Remember when 7 locked up on phone calls, it SUCKED. It took them 7-8 months to make it usable and fast so people that are saying 8.0 is worse on older devices than 7.0 are full of ******. 8.0 isnt perfect but than I also have to say 90% of the bugs people mentioned I have never seen.
Comparing 8.0 with 7.0 is a joke, it's like comparing windows 7 with Vista. Yeah vista was alrite after all the updates and service packs but upon release it was terrible. Windows 7 had some issues but was MUCH better than Vista on launch.
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I didn't get constant resprings and freezes under iOS 7. Like I said resprings happened maybe once or twice a week on my 5s. They were annoying, but it didn't require turning the phone off and on to get back basic functionality like I've had to do with iOS 8.
You can say no one had WiFi problems with iOS 8 and routers from this decade, but Apple put out an update specifically to fix problems. I myself had problems where WiFi would simply stop working until the phone was rebooted on iOS 8.0. Happened at least once a day.
Also there were no iOS 7 updates that turned iPhones into iPods like there was with iOS 8. That in itself is enough to say iOS 8 was buggier than iOS 7.
If iOS 7 is Windows Vista, than iOS 8 is Windows 95 which required almost daily reboots to work.
Tell them haha. I feel like talking to a wall, the Great Wall of China. I totally forgot about the Safari crashes with 7.0. I actually just remembered that the iTunes Store also constantly crashed on ipads in landscape. I tell people they have bad memory and I do my self. At least I forgot that 7.0 was actually worse than I at first thought.
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Whattttttt. The resprings precisely rebooted the iphone. What possible problem do you have that makes you reboot ios 8? The resprings was a constant problem for most 7.0 users. Apple officially announced that it was a problem and fixed it. The wifi issues did not affect the majority of users while the resprings did.
I also like how you mentioned the update that bricked ONLY iphone 6/6Plus. So once in like 6-8 years Apple released an update that bricked devices. They fixed it in like 1 day, hardly an example to use in regards to ios 8 being buggier. That could have happened with any iOs version or OS X for that matter since it clearly was a major f up. Same what Philips did with the hue app last week, they bricked it for 2 days with version 1.7.1. Again hardly an indication that 1.7 is buggier than 1.6.
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My friend's iPhone 5 is still on iOS 7.1.2. I hate using his phone, makes me realise how bad iOS 8 really is.
Also, iOS's 'text' buttons are literally text buttons, you have to tap exactly on the text or nothing happens. Same with the back graphics, tap exactly on the < or nothing happens. In iOS 6 and before, there was actual buttons around the text/graphic, which increased the tapping area. That's my theory anyway.. though maybe iOS 8 has the same padding area as iOS 6 for tapping on elements but the OS is that unresponsive.
I am really quite satisfied with Yosemite however, running on my 2011 MacBook Pro.
Also, iOS's 'text' buttons are literally text buttons, you have to tap exactly on the text or nothing happens. Same with the back graphics, tap exactly on the < or nothing happens. In iOS 6 and before, there was actual buttons around the text/graphic, which increased the tapping area. That's my theory anyway.. though maybe iOS 8 has the same padding area as iOS 6 for tapping on elements but the OS is that unresponsive.
I am really quite satisfied with Yosemite however, running on my 2011 MacBook Pro.
I'm confused, you HATE using your friends iphone with 7.1.2 and than say it made you realise how BAD ios 8 is. LOL
Obviously I know what your saying but again its not a fair comparison. iOS 7.1.2 took 10-11 months while iOS 8 is out for 4 and is pretty good now with 8.1.3.
I bet you wouldnt be saying the same thing if your friend was using 7.0.x. I actually would bet that you would be throwing his phone against a wall if he had 7.0.x, especially on an 5.
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For quite a few people 8.0 wasn't really any better than 7.0, if not worse.
But Apple decided that at least some of those A5 devices should (be able to) run iOS 8.
There is no easy way out of this situation. If they drop them, it will lead to an undesirable fragmentation of iOS and a lot of unhappy recent iPad mini customers. A5 devices are still highly popular and supported, because someone at Apple decided to sell outdated devices. And this shortsighted beancounter decision backfires now. They should have given the Apple TV, iPod touch, iPad mini and iPad 2 some sort of underclocked A6 by the end of 2013.
Agreed, and IMO Apple should have dropped the A5 devices but they decided against it. It would have been better if the 4th Gen iPad would have replaced the iPad 2. This year would have made more sense to drop the original iPad mini and sold the Mini 2 in its place. They could have moved on from the A5 devices but chose not too for whatever reasons. I still think the A5 could see iOS 9 and hopefully it will improve performance.
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