For many who are complaining it's down to some extremely minor perfectionist annoyance of some sort of "missing" 5 FPS in Weather app animation or something similarly benign and inconsequential. Not sure Apple ever advertised or promised that all perfectionists will get every minor detail to their exact liking in the products they make. Apple advertises good quality and nice looking products, but that in no way implies some sort of often imagined high bar of absolute perfectionism that is realistically impossible to achieve with a mass produced product used by millions of different people with different needs and wants.
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Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?
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If IOS 8 is anything like windows or Linux it is compiled in both 64 and 32 bit depending on the device. 64 bit apps do take up more memory than an equivalent 32 bit app. Some 64 bit apps can run faster than the equivalent 32 bit apps.
In theory Apple could plunk in 16 gig of memory and not update its software in an i6.
Now what was your question?
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You will never get a bug free device, not android, windows, IOS or osx. Just vote with your wallet and pick the device that you like best.
You know, I'd be very happy if the messaging app didn't crash almost every time I need it, since I upgraded to iOS 8. But hey, who'd expect a phone to, you know, send text messages or something? Stupid perfectionists.
There are certainly those who have issues, but they aren't limited or unique to iOS 8 as various people have some issues here and there with pretty much any and all iOS updates. Happens not only with iOS and related devices but pretty much any other OSs and devices. It doesn't make it good or right of course, but it's to say that with these types of more individualized issues that random people have had for ages on all kinds of platforms and all kinds of updates, there's nothing specifically horrific or purposefully bad in iOS 8 or even iOS updates in general.
Let me get this straight, you think I and the rest of us in this thread are whining? You don't think there are legitimate reasons here to question Apples way of handling this?
You're absolutely right about that. That is why I haven't bought a 6 because it runs an OS which is still unpolished. It still suffers, embarrassingly, from those god awful Safari reloads and will generally terminate apps pretty aggressively. I suspect this has to do with the lack of RAM which in 2014 is still only 1 GB. Now technically, I wouldn't give a damn about specs if the user experience is great, but in this case it's suffering. People might say it's due to software, but more than a year has passed and iOS 8 on devices with 1 GB of RAM suffer from Safari reloads, while the iPad Air 2 (2GB) doesn't. Whether this is solely down to the lack of RAM and software doesn't matter to me, because the issue still exists.
Is it really minor though? The weather app is just an example. The 8.0 release was atrocious, filled with bugs and performance issues, some of them still exist. Apple hasn't solved the Safari issue or the aggressive way of terminating apps, which I suspect is because of the lack of RAM and the way iOS is programmed.
Don't they? I like Apple, make no mistake about that, but they do have their flaws (like any company). However, their introduction videos with Jony Ive is the epitome of pretentiousness and a perception of seeing themselves as almost flawless. The presentations are based on what only Apple can achieve and no one else, but the reality is that they're not that far ahead or superior to what stock Android offers.
I'm not trying to create a flame war by any means and seeing as I have other Apple products and family members who use it too, I'm not going to switch anytime soon. I hope I never ever have to, unless they continue with the same trend.
No. He/she becomes unexcited or hesitant when an iOS update comes around.
I can see unexcited and hesitant, though he didn't mention one word about hesitant.
Is the safari issue THAT big of a deal? Really? Who cares if the page reloads. If you are worried about your data plan, do not have a tab open that downloads hundreds of megabytes if you do not need it for a few days. If you are filling out a form, finish it in a reasonable amount of time.
If I am too slow on some websites, my session expires and I have to log back in. If I log in to my bank at 8 AM and get pulled away until 3 PM, I will need to log back in.
How many tabs do you guys have open? I have had 6 tabs open and I have NEVER encountered this issue.
If I am too slow on some websites, my session expires and I have to log back in. If I log in to my bank at 8 AM and get pulled away until 3 PM, I will need to log back in.
How many tabs do you guys have open? I have had 6 tabs open and I have NEVER encountered this issue.
In regards to planned obsolescence. Newer versions of Android starting with KitKat for the most part is optimized to run on devices with RAM as slow as 512 and if Google can do it with Android, which is a more powerful OS in comparison to iOS, Apple should have no problem optimizing iOS 8 and future versions of Android with devices that still have the A5/A6 processors. Just look at the Moto E for an example, it has the Snapdragon 200 and 1 gigabyte of RAM, and it runs KitKat very well, in some cases, faster than even the Samsung Galaxy S5 in opening and loading apps etc. And the Snapdragon was new around 5-6 years ago? In my opinion i think even the iPhone 4 could've runned iOS 8 if the optimization was there, but Apple didn't choose otherwise. Bad coding? Maybe but Apple is Apple and i wouldn't expect them to do it but planned obsolescence, i see that. I don't see why though if Apple is basically the top corporation at the moment. Hopefully Apple gets there missing piece back on and start optimizing the software. RAM is also a big issue though, 512 and 1 gig of RAM should not be in iOS devices anymore in 2015. Sure iOS can run smoothly on it but for future proof, 2 gigs of RAM should be the standard. In regards to the iPhone 4 and iOS 8, if it had 1 gig of RAM at least, i definitely would've seen it getting iOS 8.
I couldn't disagree more. Apple is well behind on the feature train in comparison to Android, Windows Phone and even BBOS. For example, Apple were the last to introduce NFC payments.
Apple almost never leads. Their hardware and software work seamlessly and outrun competition with more horsepower. They refine existing technology into class leading implementations; aka touch id. I also like that they seem to support older devices. 8.1.1 works great in my iPad 2, even though some features are missing relative to the 5s.
iOS 6 had no optimization issues and the 4 still lagged with it. The iPhone 4 definitely wouldn't be able to handle the much more demanding 8. It couldn't even really handle 7.0
I'm a new user to ios 8 on a phone, long time droid user. Just upgraded last week from Samsung G3. I have had an ipad for quite awhile, so familiar with the os.
My ip6 is running great, battery life is excellent and hasn't crashed once. I was nervous about making the switch but so far I'm pleased and have nicely migrated all my data and preferred way of doing things over.
I've got a handful of friends that have upgraded their 5/5s's to 8 and haven't really had problems. Also updated my old ipad retina to 8 and it runs great.
Having been a droid user for many years, I've seen updates that crippled the phone, caused it to run hot and the battery to die in hours. And some of the updates were seamless. I was definitely nervous with every major upgrade and they were usually a disaster until a few updates would roll through. With the last droid ios on the G3 it ran incredibly slowly, which is one of the reasons I finally made a switch.
So no doubt there are ios 8 bugs people are seeing, but droid was certainly not immune from update bugs and diminished performance on older devices. Hopefully apple will keep fine-tuning the last version and sure we'll see updates on a regular basis.
My ip6 is running great, battery life is excellent and hasn't crashed once. I was nervous about making the switch but so far I'm pleased and have nicely migrated all my data and preferred way of doing things over.
I've got a handful of friends that have upgraded their 5/5s's to 8 and haven't really had problems. Also updated my old ipad retina to 8 and it runs great.
Having been a droid user for many years, I've seen updates that crippled the phone, caused it to run hot and the battery to die in hours. And some of the updates were seamless. I was definitely nervous with every major upgrade and they were usually a disaster until a few updates would roll through. With the last droid ios on the G3 it ran incredibly slowly, which is one of the reasons I finally made a switch.
So no doubt there are ios 8 bugs people are seeing, but droid was certainly not immune from update bugs and diminished performance on older devices. Hopefully apple will keep fine-tuning the last version and sure we'll see updates on a regular basis.
I have to go with bad coding. The fact that someone was able to discover an untethered jailbreak in iOS 8.1.1, which requires several major security flaws in iOS to implement, less than 2 weeks after it was released tell me that the code must be a mess.
That's not even taking into account the four or five of bugs I run into on almost a daily basis with iOS 8.
That's not even taking into account the four or five of bugs I run into on almost a daily basis with iOS 8.
I run into the same bug, landscape to portrait orientation is a pita. The safari copy and paste bug is also annoying. Other than that im happy with 8.1.1.
Interesting opinion from former iOS engineer Ashley Hornstein, who is now working for Dropbox.
Here's another one here from Craig Hockenberry.
Gruber also had some opinions to share regarding the state of OS X and iOS.
John Gruber
Here's another one here from Craig Hockenberry.
Gruber also had some opinions to share regarding the state of OS X and iOS.
John Gruber
Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?
Considering a couple of days ago I literally could not answer a call on my iPhone 5s because the UI locked up until the call went to voicemail, something I've never seen before, I still think iOS 8 is the worst release in years. That's an extreme example, but I'm still running into a number of random unreproducible problems on my iPad Air 2 daily (multitasking gestures stop working, loud sound pops from the speaker when tapping screen, keyboard not displaying properly, etc) after 5 updates to iOS 8.
Considering a couple of days ago I literally could not answer a call on my iPhone 5s because the UI locked up until the call went to voicemail, something I've never seen before, I still think iOS 8 is the worst release in years. That's an extreme example, but I'm still running into a number of random unreproducible problems on my iPad Air 2 daily (multitasking gestures stop working, loud sound pops from the speaker when tapping screen, keyboard not displaying properly, etc) after 5 updates to iOS 8.
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I still can't believe that auto-scrolling in a list that contains more than 15-25 logs or items will make a brand new iPhone 6 or 6 Plus stutter/lag on iOS 8. I have the most powerful iPhone at my disposal and yet this shoddy OS still hasn't been fixed. The weather app will still lag and we're now at 8.1.3. No sign of that 60 fps smooth auto-scrolling.
For those interested the most apparent one for me is when you auto-scroll through recents in the phone app. At this point it would't really surprise me if Apple have decided to just roll out 8.2 and then focus all of their efforts on iOS 9. Although I think sites have been able to detect an 8.3 build, so hopefully that will do something to improve this mess.
For those interested the most apparent one for me is when you auto-scroll through recents in the phone app. At this point it would't really surprise me if Apple have decided to just roll out 8.2 and then focus all of their efforts on iOS 9. Although I think sites have been able to detect an 8.3 build, so hopefully that will do something to improve this mess.
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I think we just need to come to the conclusion that not every Apple product ever made will continue to run the latest OS well, if at all.
Why isn't this argument made about the desktop? How many computers out there that came with Windows 95 able to run Windows 8.1?
Why isn't this argument made about the desktop? How many computers out there that came with Windows 95 able to run Windows 8.1?
Windows 8.1 runs very well without stuttering even on underpowered intel Atom chips. Microsoft has nailed UI transition perfectly. It either renders the animation at full 60fps or doesnt render it at all. In short, Windows 8.1 will run bloody well on all hardware released from 2010 onwards. That's an achievement in itself.
On the other hand, iOS 8 will stutter and lag even on iPhone 6+.
That is why people are angry with this whole iOS 8 lag/stutter scenario. It's so much that few (almost all) are starting to believe that Apple makes older products obsolete on purpose to maintain or increase sales, drive revenue and keep shareholders happy. Textbook example of profitability.
I am disappointed that there's no guarantee my shiny new iToy would be running as smoothly as before with each iOS update. Software update should improve a product and not the other way around.
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Windows 8.1 Pro runs great on my 2007 ThinkPad T60 with 3GB of ram. In fact it runs slightly better than Windows 7 because of the improved memory mgr.
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