Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?

[Bahroo]

Um... did you even read my post? None of that has anything to do with what I posted.

How is my first post in the post not related at all to your post?? Your talking about planned obsolescence....and Im telling you that doesnt even make sense and that Apple shouldnt and doesnt need to have support for completely old hardware and legacy hardware...mobile world is moving and developing at break neck speeds, todays fastest processor is going to get completly overshadowed by the next newest SoC and etc etc, Apple A9 is gonna be 2x faster then the CPU in the A8 i gurantee you that too...i dont know if you been living under a rock but smartphones have been developing and growing at a extradoinary rate

Its not like once a new product is out, your previous Apple device is completly unusable or it doesnt work, it still works just fine, you just may not be on the very latest OS (which i see because why would Apple at this time or at anytime now support the old iphone 4 and earlier??)

 

[roadbloc]

How is my first post in the post not related at all to your post?? Your talking about planned obsolescence....and Im telling you that doesnt even make sense and that Apple shouldnt and doesnt need to have support for completely old hardware and legacy hardware...

I'ma let you finish but I was talking about legacy software not hardware. Try reading my post before replying.

 

[Imory]

I read the first post and although my iPad 4 has suffered some slow down in a couple areas, nothing major.

My iPhone 5 is silky smooth and I have not seen any slow down anywhere. I tried the weather app and I do not see any dropped frames scrolling through it, it is silky smooth.

You also mentioned the recent calls list in the phone app. Again silky smooth and not a hint of stuttering.

For me at least it has been a great experience on my iPhone 5 and an ok experience on my iPad 4. I'm hopping Apple will iron out the performance glitches in time.

That is very surprising and utterly peculiar. Enjoy it as long as it lasts.

The real head scratcher here is why some people seem to be having a good experience with the latest OS but others don't. Why is that? I suppose everyone uses the devices differently but the reviews really are all over the place.

I've been pretty happy with the latest OS on my Air. It's the safari bugs that have to be ironed out, IMO.

Well it technically shouldn't. Some might not even notice it and therefore don't even think about it, but I do find it very strange if were to have to sets of camp with different experiences.

whose fault.... apples or app developers, whose codes is at fault?

Apple. This has nothing to do with developers, seeing as Apples own core software is at fault.

This is nonsense and rubbish, how is older hardware going to handle all the brand new API's That are coming every year? Also brand new hardware-related API's (like Bluetooth 4.1 API's , NFC Api's etc....)

Your post is like saying, "why dont they put Windows 7/8 on a Pentium 4??"

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6 Plus on iOS 8.1 with Reduce Motion and Reduce Transparency on(i prefer and like the fade animation better on Reduce motion over the stock animation) and my 6 Plus is extremely buttery smooth, the fastest iPhone I ever owned for sure(obviously, has the latest Apple A processor)

People shouldn't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets. The fact of the matter is that some people with the 6 Plus suffer from frames dropping, bugs and performance hits.

 

[Hephaestus]

I truly believe it is planned obsolescence and they are deliberately slowing previous devices with new updates. I've definitely noticed a lot of performance drops going from iOS 7 to iOS 8, and everything I'm about to list is from my experience with a 5S.

- Incredibly amount of lag in weather app, when collapsing and expanding cities. (It was butter smooth in iOS 7).

- Lag in displaying top sites when opening Safari. (It was lightening fast in iOS 7).

- Incredible amount of keyboard lag when typing if messages are coming in. (No such issues in iOS 7, it was buttery smooth and lightening fast).

- Significant lag when pulling down to perform quick reply. (New feature but it still shouldn't lag, you're effectively pulling down a tab, how demanding could this be to a phone like the 5S?)

- Occasional lag when scrolling through large lists with images. (Did not exist in iOS 7).

- Occasional lag when rotating to landscape with some apps. (Did not occur in iOS 7).

There are also some other glitches like apps appearing black in the multitasking panel because the snapshot hasn't loaded properly, though that is probably more of a temporary glitch. The widgets also jump around all over the place when launching NC and quickly scrolling through.

I definitely think this is the most unpolished and buggiest release of iOS I have ever used, much worse than iOS 7. I also think some of these performance drops are far too frequent and obvious to be accidentally overlooked, if that was the case, Apple seriously need to employ better QA and Testing Engineers.


I should also say that two other individuals in my house have a 5S, and we are seeing these exact issues on all three devices. So, claiming these to be isolated issues is ridiculous.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

People shouldn't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets. The fact of the matter is that some people with the 6 Plus suffer from frames dropping, bugs and performance hits.

People don't have to. Maybe you are just more sensitive.

 

[Imory]

todays fastest processor is going to get completly overshadowed by the next newest SoC and etc etc, Apple A9 is gonna be 2x faster then the CPU in the A8 i gurantee you that too...i dont know if you been living under a rock but smartphones have been developing and growing at a extradoinary rate

Its not like once a new product is out, your previous Apple device is completly unusable or it doesnt work, it still works just fine, you just may not be on the very latest OS (which i see because why would Apple at this time or at anytime now support the old iphone 4 and earlier??)

Well it baffles me how you claim something like that with absolute certainty since the most recent phone proves otherwise. We've entered a tick-tock phase and even though there's a possibility of seeing the improvements your speaking of, Apple has taken a different approach with the A8. Its CPU is not even close to being 2x the performance, but it is a more sophisticated evolution of Cyclone.

You're also getting unreasonably riled up about something that none of us have really established. The point of the matter is that the differences between A7 and A8 aren't really that great. The latter has a 15-20% improvement.

The sad reality is though that the lastest A8 is not running as well as it should on Apples latest OS, which to my knowledge is the first time I've ever seen their own latest A-chip stutter on their newest software. If anything that proves that iOS 8 (8.1) at its current state is not as fluid as it should've been.

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People don't have to. Maybe you are just more sensitive.

In terms of noticing it? Well some people don't, but from the day I pointed it out to those who hadn't thought about it, now they claim it can't be unseen.

I truly believe it is planned obsolescence and they are deliberately slowing previous devices with new updates. I've definitely noticed a lot of performance drops going from iOS 7 to iOS 8, and everything I'm about to list is from my experience with a 5S.

- Incredibly amount of lag in weather app, when collapsing and expanding cities. (It was butter smooth in iOS 7).

- Lag in displaying top sites when opening Safari. (It was lightening fast in iOS 7).

- Incredible amount of keyboard lag when typing if messages are coming in. (No such issues in iOS 7, it was buttery smooth and lightening fast).

- Significant lag when pulling down to perform quick reply. (New feature but it still shouldn't lag, you're effectively pulling down a tab, how demanding could this be to a phone like the 5S?)

- Occasional lag when scrolling through large lists with images. (Did not exist in iOS 7).

- Occasional lag when rotating to landscape with some apps. (Did not occur in iOS 7).

There are also some other glitches like apps appearing black in the multitasking panel because the snapshot hasn't loaded properly, though that is probably more of a temporary glitch. The widgets also jump around all over the place when launching NC and quickly scrolling through.

I definitely think this is the most unpolished and buggiest release of iOS I have ever used, much worse than iOS 7. I also think some of these performance drops are far too frequent and obvious to be accidentally overlooked, if that was the case, Apple seriously need to employ better QA and Testing Engineers.


I should also say that two other individuals in my house have a 5S, and we are seeing these exact issues on all three devices. So, claiming these to be isolated issues is ridiculous.

Thanks for your input. These are the things I'm talking about and my point is that the 5S is plenty fast enough to handle all of the issues above with ease. Moreover, not even the A8 gets a pass because of unfinished/terrible coding in iOS 8.

You should send that to Apple.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

 

[Max(IT)]

At every single iOS iteration the same thread. One year ago the forum was stormed by whiners bashing iOS 7 and praising iOS 6 as the ultimate iOS ever. Today iOS 7 is defined buttery smooth (lol, one year ago on the same hardware was a mess and today it's buttery smooth) while iOS 8 is planned obsolescence.
Next year will be the same with iOS 9....

This forum really amuse me.

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I think its more a case of trying to do too much too quickly.

If you ever listen to podcasts with ex-apple employees (e.g. Debug podacst - http://www.imore.com/debug-48-melton-ganatra-episode-ii-understanding-apple) they talk a lot about the iOS life cycle. Sounds like they release a new version of iOS, they then spend the first couple of months fixing bugs. Then they have a few months of planning the next release, and in the end have maybe 3 or 4 months in order to code. So to us its 12 months between releases, but actually its only 3-4 where they have time to code things.

I hold out hope that instead of new features, they start looking to bug fixes and performance. Maybe a iOS 8.5 instead of 9!
I also hope that having the iPad Mini 1 still around means they may take the performance improvements for older hardware mroe serious.. but thats wishful thinking!

Another small point is that, according to the ex-apple employees, they never ever do any sort of planned obsolescence, or code anything to be slow on old hardware. They actually get quite angry when people even suggest that they do - so i'm going to believe them

Interesting point of view (the iOS 8.5 idea) but it's not going to happen: the forum would be stormed by angry "customers" whining about how lazy Apple is in not releasing a true innovative iOS 9


On the planned obsolescence matter, you said enough: it's a web originated invention in order to try to downplay Apple in some way. No one is so stupid to intentionally try to upset customers.

 

[Imory]

At every single iOS iteration the same thread. One year ago the forum was stormed by whiners bashing iOS 7 and praising iOS 6 as the ultimate iOS ever. Today iOS 7 is defined buttery smooth (lol, one year ago on the same hardware was a mess and today it's buttery smooth) while iOS 8 is planned obsolescence.
Next year will be the same with iOS 9....

This forum really amuse me.

I don't find that to be particularly true. I remember iOS 6 being very fast, but visually, iOS 7 is something completely different. There's no reason for this so called "bashing" to stop. iOS 7 went through a visual overhaul which is by far the biggest difference we've seen in iOS's history. 7.0 still maintained a smooth experience, but the animations were simply set too slow (which was fixed with 7.1).

People have the right to use what's advertised and if Apple really want to boast about their smooth and flawless experience which only Apple can deliver, then they better deliver it. It's as simple as that.

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On the planned obsolescence matter, you said enough: it's a web originated invention in order to try to downplay Apple in some way. No one is so stupid to intentionally try to upset customers.

Now that's amusing. Have I said enough?

Planned obsolescence doesn't have to translate to implementing code which intentionally slows down a device. It could be a way of simply not caring/optimizing it for older devices. But the sad reality is that iOS 8 doesn't even run well on their newest devices.

 

[Max(IT)]

There is an extremely simple fix to this problem - allow users to downgrade to older software. It allows a trial period on older devices without the irreversible consequences. Every other major software I can think of has the option, but Apple has taken it away on iOS. Even OSX has the option to downgrade available.

Not a solution: it leads to fragmentation and security issues.

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Nothing lasts forever, of course, and I didn't expect my iPad 2 to be the last tablet I ever need to buy.

Still, it was a dirty trick to even tell us iPad 2 dinosaurs that we could update to 8. Can't use the new bells and whistles, anyway, and it ran like a top with 7.

I can remember quite well last year iPad 2 owners complaining about iOS 7 ...
IPad 2 is just old hardware. Period.
The only mistake Apple did, in my opinion, is to allow iPad 2 to install iOS 8.
But I'm sure if the didn't forum like this would have been stormed by angry iPad 2 users complaining about Apple forcing them to buy a newer device....

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Except that it doesn't run flawlessly on the new devices.

And why would one ever find that acceptable? Releasing a new OS that will run worse than the previous version, "but just hold on until we update it in x amount of months?" No, that's a mindset I don't want to find myself accepting as a consumer and a customer.

My problem? My (our) problem is very clear. I would advise you to read my first post again, thoroughly, in order for you to understand.

iOS 8.1 is running fine on both my iPhone 5S and my iPad air, no more the top notch devices.
You are speaking about a much worse picture than the reality is.

iOS 8 could be better? Yes for sure. But there isn't anything unacceptable in it.

 

[Imory]

iOS 8.1 is running fine on both my iPhone 5S and my iPad air, no more the top notch devices.
You are speaking about a much worse picture than the reality is.

iOS 8 could be better? Yes for sure. But there isn't anything unacceptable in it.

No, I'm simply stating my view of it and you're talking about yours. We've got different views on what we find acceptable. It's as simple as that.

 

[Max(IT)]

I truly believe it is planned obsolescence and they are deliberately slowing previous devices with new updates. I've definitely noticed a lot of performance drops going from iOS 7 to iOS 8, and everything I'm about to list is from my experience with a 5S.

- Incredibly amount of lag in weather app, when collapsing and expanding cities. (It was butter smooth in iOS 7).

- Lag in displaying top sites when opening Safari. (It was lightening fast in iOS 7).

- Incredible amount of keyboard lag when typing if messages are coming in. (No such issues in iOS 7, it was buttery smooth and lightening fast).

- Significant lag when pulling down to perform quick reply. (New feature but it still shouldn't lag, you're effectively pulling down a tab, how demanding could this be to a phone like the 5S?)

- Occasional lag when scrolling through large lists with images. (Did not exist in iOS 7).

- Occasional lag when rotating to landscape with some apps. (Did not occur in iOS 7).

There are also some other glitches like apps appearing black in the multitasking panel because the snapshot hasn't loaded properly, though that is probably more of a temporary glitch. The widgets also jump around all over the place when launching NC and quickly scrolling through.

I definitely think this is the most unpolished and buggiest release of iOS I have ever used, much worse than iOS 7. I also think some of these performance drops are far too frequent and obvious to be accidentally overlooked, if that was the case, Apple seriously need to employ better QA and Testing Engineers.


I should also say that two other individuals in my house have a 5S, and we are seeing these exact issues on all three devices. So, claiming these to be isolated issues is ridiculous.

Even if former Apple employee said they didn't, you truly believe it is.

 

[C DM]

No, I'm simply stating my view of it and you're talking about yours. We've got different views on what we find acceptable. It's as simple as that.

But personal views of which there are many (and I would say the vast majority don't notice and/or care about practically one of the things discussed here) are just those, personal views--they don't make for some conspiracy or overall sinister approach in the background just because.

 

[Imory]

But personal views of which there are many (and I would say the vast majority don't notice and/or care about practically one of the things discussed here) are just those, personal views--they don't make for some conspiracy or overall sinister approach in the background just because.

Of course. But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of us would be wrong. I feel people tend to get stuck on the word "planned obsolescence" when it's really just about iOS 8 being an unpolished (too kind) experience for all devices.

 

[C DM]

Of course. But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of us would be wrong. I feel people tend to get stuck on the word "planned obsolescence" when it's really just about iOS 8 being an unpolished (too kind) experience for all devices.

As far as polish goes, yes, it's not really polished. That's far from all that planned obsolescence stuff that a lot of the discussion leans toward. As mentioned before, is pretty much there for most new major iOS versions--not everyone notices or cares, just like in this case, but most versions have similar complaints by various people (iOS 7 especially so). It doesn't make it good or right of course, but it also doesn't make it new or surprising as a concept and as something that can be observed happening with many new versions.

 

[Imory]

As far as polish goes, yes, it's not really polished. That's far from all that planned obsolescence stuff that a lot of the discussion leans toward. As mentioned before, is pretty much there for most new major iOS versions--not everyone notices or cares, just like in this case, but most versions have similar complaints by various people (iOS 7 especially so). It doesn't make it good or right of course, but it also doesn't make it new or surprising as a concept and as something that can be observed happening with many new versions.

Despite all of which you're saying, which I to an extent agree with, it still doesn't make it acceptable. We've just come to expect it.

As long as it exists, I feel the relevancy of this issue is intact. I've said what I wanted to say regarding this matter and I fear it won't get fixed/corrected, for which I feel like it should. But on top of that, I can't ever remember Apple releasing an iPhone which came with an iOS version that had performance issues, and that is worrying. As of today (16th of November) they still haven't addressed it for their newest phones. If they want to be perceived as the best and continue to believe people should pay the Apple tax, then they better step it up.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?

In terms of noticing it? Well some people don't, but from the day I pointed it out to those who hadn't thought about it, now they claim it can't be unseen.

Do you understand how to follow thread posts or do you just pick any comment and write whatever makes you feel good?

People don't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets.

 

[Max(IT)]

No, I'm simply stating my view of it and you're talking about yours. We've got different views on what we find acceptable. It's as simple as that.

I've been around for a while and I know perfectly well that there are different views. On this forum there are people that just can't be pleased by Apple, whatever they are doing.
No problem for me. I'm quite happy about iOS 8 and its new features.

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Despite all of which you're saying, which I to an extent agree with, it still doesn't make it acceptable. We've just come to expect it.

As long as it exists, I feel the relevancy of this issue is intact. I've said what I wanted to say regarding this matter and I fear it won't get fixed/corrected, for which I feel like it should. But on top of that, I can't ever remember Apple releasing an iPhone which came with an iOS version that had performance issues, and that is worrying. As of today (16th of November) they still haven't addressed it for their newest phones. If they want to be perceived as the best and continue to believe people should pay the Apple tax, then they better step it up.

You are trying to be "polite", but your posts speak about planned obsolescence, unacceptable iOS, Apple tax and issues.... That tells me another story about this thread.
Good bye....

 

[Imory]

Do you understand how to follow thread posts or do you just pick any comment and write whatever makes you feel good?

People don't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets.

Excuse me? I don't recall being rude, so I see no reason why you should be. Don't talk like that again.

I never claimed that. When did I ever say that? Bahroo mentioned he enabled reduce motion and reduced transparency, which I interpreted as a way of him saying that's what he did to make the device run smoothly.

There have been numerous claims of people experiencing lag/frames dropping on the 6 Plus, hence I thought he was offering a solution he used.

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I've been around for a while and I know perfectly well that there are different views. On this forum there are people that just can't be pleased by Apple, whatever they are doing.
No problem for me. I'm quite happy about iOS 8 and its new features.

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You are trying to be "polite", but your posts speak about planned obsolescence, unacceptable iOS, Apple tax and issues.... That tells me another story about this thread.
Good bye....

Alright then.

Because a customer have no right to complain/critique or raise concern? Well, I'm glad you like iOS 8. In that case there's no reason for you to spend anymore time in this thread.

 

[Bahroo]

Well it baffles me how you claim something like that with absolute certainty since the most recent phone proves otherwise. We've entered a tick-tock phase and even though there's a possibility of seeing the improvements your speaking of, Apple has taken a different approach with the A8. Its CPU is not even close to being 2x the performance, but it is a more sophisticated evolution of Cyclone.

You're also getting unreasonably riled up about something that none of us have really established. The point of the matter is that the differences between A7 and A8 aren't really that great. The latter has a 15-20% improvement.

The sad reality is though that the lastest A8 is not running as well as it should on Apples latest OS, which to my knowledge is the first time I've ever seen their own latest A-chip stutter on their newest software. If anything that proves that iOS 8 (8.1) at its current state is not as fluid as it should've been.

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In terms of noticing it? Well some people don't, but from the day I pointed it out to those who hadn't thought about it, now they claim it can't be unseen.



Thanks for your input. These are the things I'm talking about and my point is that the 5S is plenty fast enough to handle all of the issues above with ease. Moreover, not even the A8 gets a pass because of unfinished/terrible coding in iOS 8.

You should send that to Apple.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

My 6 that I had for over a month and a half was running iOS 8 absolutely flawless with no animation lag at all, only lag I had experienced was slight choppiness in Weather app when there is alot of cities in the lisr, thats it, stop overblowing this issue with the A8 "not performing aswell as it should" because it runs applications and the OS really smooth and fast actually besides maybe a few animation lag on the 6 Plus


And I actually have a 6 Plus now since i returnedwith Reduce Motion on and reduce transparency on and my i6 Plus and my Plus is absolutely buttery smooth and very snappy, no animation lag at all over here ever with both reduce motion and transparency on.

The A8 is 25% faster then the A7 , not 15%. Sometimes its even faster then 25%. your failing to also realize alot of applications havent even been updates yet to iOS 8 and the new iPhones, where they will optimize their apps and reduce memory footprint, giving more RAM and more performance as apps get streamlined to the 1GB of RAM, every single MB freed up from app optimization counts

It seems to me that some people experience animation lag with the GUI sometimes, really mostly due to the taxing transparency effect in some instances can cause a bit animation lag, reduce transparency turned off completly solved any minor animation lag I had experienced, I can honestly say my 6 Plus is 100% buttery smooth now

A8 on iOS 8 Is still the most smoothest phone to software manipulation I have ever experienced with a phone ever in my life, the Plus is the fastest smoothest smartphone I ever owned on the market and is smoother then Flagship Android devices out there with Snapdragon 805's

 

[Imory]

My 6 that I had for over a month and a half was running iOS 8 absolutely flawless with no animation lag at all, only lag I had experienced was slight choppiness in Weather app when there is alot of cities in the lisr, thats it, stop overblowing this issue with the A8 "not performing aswell as it should" because it runs applications and the OS really smooth and fast actually besides maybe a few animation lag on the 6 Plus


And I actually have a 6 Plus now since i returnedwith Reduce Motion on and reduce transparency on and my i6 Plus and my Plus is absolutely buttery smooth and very snappy, no animation lag at all over here ever with both reduce motion and transparency on.

The A8 is 25% faster then the A7 , not 15%. Sometimes its even faster then 25%. your failing to also realize alot of applications havent even been updates yet to iOS 8 and the new iPhones, where they will optimize their apps and reduce memory footprint, giving more RAM and more performance as apps get streamlined to the 1GB of RAM, every single MB freed up from app optimization counts

It seems to me that some people experience animation lag with the GUI sometimes, really mostly due to the taxing transparency effect in some instances can cause a bit animation lag, reduce transparency turned off completly solved any minor animation lag I had experienced, I can honestly say my 6 Plus is 100% buttery smooth now

A8 on iOS 8 Is still the most smoothest phone to software manipulation I have ever experienced with a phone ever in my life, the Plus is the fastest smoothest smartphone I ever owned on the market and is smoother then Flagship Android devices out there with Snapdragon 805's

Doesn't really take a lot of cities. It happens when you only have two on my devices.

You're right, it differs but it's between 20-37% in different benchmarks. That doesn't necessarily translate to real world performance, but my point was that it's not the 2x jump that we'd seen before.

You mention memory footprint and if I recall correctly I talked about that in an earlier post. The problem is that this is not about the third party apps, but the first party apps. Safari is still held back by the lack of RAM/aggressive memory management of iOS. So I'm not failing to realise it, I did take that into account and tried it with Apple-only apps, and later on a few selected apps that had been updated for iOS 8.

That was my point! There's animation lag with the GUI and your solution in this case was to reduce transparency and reduce motion, which is fine, but it's not something a customer should have to do in order to get a smooth experience.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Excuse me? I don't recall being rude, so I see no reason why you should be. Don't talk like that again.

I never claimed that. When did I ever say that? Bahroo mentioned he enabled reduce motion and reduced transparency, which I interpreted as a way of him saying that's what he did to make the device run smoothly.

There have been numerous claims of people experiencing lag/frames dropping on the 6 Plus, hence I thought he was offering a solution he used.

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Alright then.

Because a customer have no right to complain/critique or raise concern? Well, I'm glad you like iOS 8. In that case there's no reason for you to spend anymore time in this thread.

I beg to differ about you being rude.

I clarified my post. Don't get upset.

 

[Imory]

I beg to differ about you being rude.

I clarified my post. Don't get upset.

Where was I being rude?

I can't find it. Did you edit your post/question?

 

[Bahroo]

Doesn't really take a lot of cities. It happens when you only have two on my devices.

You're right, it differs but it's between 20-37% in different benchmarks. That doesn't necessarily translate to real world performance, but my point was that it's not the 2x jump that we'd seen before.

You mention memory footprint and if I recall correctly I talked about that in an earlier post. The problem is that this is not about the third party apps, but the first party apps. Safari is still held back by the lack of RAM/aggressive memory management of iOS. So I'm not failing to realise it, I did take that into account and tried it with Apple-only apps, and later on a few selected apps that had been updated for iOS 8.

That was my point! There's animation lag with the GUI and your solution in this case was to reduce transparency and reduce motion, which is fine, but it's not something a customer should have to do in order to get a smooth experience.

Its not 100% buttery smooth but your acting like its a laggy mess, that the A8 chugs on iOS 8 And that it acts slow and in app performance is slow when that isnt the case, there is essentially no GUI lag on the 4.7 inch iPhone 6 besides the weather App, on the Plus its sometimes rotating in landscape and etc, but like I said , i could care less about the transparent windows in the GUI, but yes this is obviously a bit different to what us Apple fans are used too, used too 100% pure buttery smoothness all the time, it is like 95% smooth on the Plus without reduce motion or transparency on, with that on it literally has been 100% smooth for me no lie...but there is a little GUI lag on the Plus sometimes with reduce motion and reduce transparency off...it doesnt affect in app performance and the phone doesnt feel slow at all ever from it...it just is sometimes its animation lag . I can say that the 4.7 inch i6 i owned for over a month has never lagged ever though

 

[Winona Northdakota]

People shouldn't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets. The fact of the matter is that some people with the 6 Plus suffer from frames dropping, bugs and performance hits.

People don't have to. Maybe you are just more sensitive.

In terms of noticing it? Well some people don't, but from the day I pointed it out to those who hadn't thought about it, now they claim it can't be unseen.

Do you understand how to follow thread posts or do you just pick any comment and write whatever makes you feel good?

People don't have to remove/disable the features Apple recently implemented which were used to highlight the power behind these modern chipsets.

Excuse me? I don't recall being rude, so I see no reason why you should be. Don't talk like that again.

I beg to differ about you being rude.

I clarified my post. Don't get upset.

Where was I being rude?

I can't find it. Did you edit your post/question?

I haven't edited anything. Suggesting that I have is being rude in my opinion. I said nothing about "noticing" anything. Disrespecting me by redirecting the conversation is rude in my opinion.

 

[Imory]

I haven't edited anything. Suggesting that I have is being rude in my opinion. I said nothing about "noticing" anything. Disrespecting me by redirecting the conversation is rude in my opinion.

I'm completely lost at this point. I think we're talking about two different things entirely.

When you said "clarified" I thought you had edited your post to clarify what you actually meant in your original post. You're taking what I say the wrong way.

What did I originally say which made you think I was being rude? My first reply to you was, you asking me if I was more sensitive. I interpreted that as perhaps being more sensitive to noticing frames dropping etc.

Then I replied by mentioning that some people don't see lag or really notice different frame rates, until I pointed it out to some who now say it can't be unseen.