iPhone XR Is the XR Display Going To Look Like Garbage When Displaying Text?

[Mackinjosh]

My comment was implying that 326 was great 4-5 years ago...but now it’s lacking compared to the Plus/X/Max and other competitors.

It was great this year too when Apple put out new MacBook Pros and iPad Pros.

 

[44267547]

It was great this year too when Apple put out new MacBook Pros and iPad Pros.

Apple didn’t release any new iPad Pro’s this year, yet. The MacBook was revamped in July. They Did release the 2018 iPad back in March however.

 

[Mackinjosh]

Apple didn’t release any new iPad Pro’s this year, yet. The MacBook was revamped in July. They Did release the 2018 iPad back in March however.

All their latest high end computers and iPads have a PPI lower than the Xr. And you can bet the ones announced this month will too.

 

[Jetcat3]

All their latest high end computers and iPads have a PPI lower than the Xr. And you can bet the ones announced this month will too.

Big difference between 326 PPI on a device that has 14 square inches of display area vs 45 of the 10.5” Pro.

A 77” 4K tv is only 57 PPI. But that display becomes retina at 5ft. Not many people wanna sit that close to it.

 

[Mackinjosh]

Big difference between 326 PPI on a device that has 14 square inches of display area vs 45 of the 10.5” Pro.

A 77” 4K tv is only 57 PPI. But that display becomes retina at 5ft. Not many people wanna sit that close to it.

And yet when I view the iPad pro up close it's still beautiful and clear. There's absolutely no reason to think the Xr screen will be anything short of great.

 

[doboy]

And yet when I view the iPad pro up close it's still beautiful and clear. There's absolutely no reason to think the Xr screen will be anything short of great.

My thoughts precisely.

 

[EugW]

And yet when I view the iPad pro up close it's still beautiful and clear. There's absolutely no reason to think the Xr screen will be anything short of great.

My iPhone 7 Plus is clearer on small text than my iPad Air 2 at the same viewing distance. The iPad Air 2 is the same 264 ppi pixel density as the iPad Pro.

It should be noted though that the default text size on the iPad Air 2 is considerably larger than the default text size on the iPhone 7 Plus. The bigger the text, the more forgiving for pixel density. In addition, one reason the text size is bigger is because there is a tendency to hold iPads further away than iPhones. The further away the device, the more forgiving for pixel density.

IOW, it is flawed thinking to use the pixel density of an iPad to determine what is good for an iPhone.
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A 77” 4K tv is only 57 PPI. But that display becomes retina at 5ft. Not many people wanna sit that close to it.

Indeed. My 4K 65" OLED has a pixel density of 68 ppi. It looks totally awesome at my 7.5 foot seating distance. At 12 inches though, it looks like utter garbage. A 6.1" iPhone with a 68 ppi screen would have a screen resolution of about 376x174. Ouch.

 

[Peter K.]

If 326 ppi wasn't fine, no one would be buying iPad Pro(264 ppi) or MacBook Pro(227 ppi). People whining about 326ppi being too low are nuts.

Two words: viewing distance.

 

[Mackinjosh]

Two words: viewing distance.

And like I said, when I hold an iPad or MacBook pro as close as I'd hold a phone, it's crystal clear. Again, thinking Apple is going to release an ugly screen on the Xr is foolish beyond words. And this is backed up by the fact that there's not a single impressions video from the Apple Event where someone comments on how bad the screen looks. None.

 

[apolloa]

And like I said, when I hold an iPad or MacBook pro as close as I'd hold a phone, it's crystal clear. Again, thinking Apple is going to release an ugly screen on the Xr is foolish beyond words. And this is backed up by the fact that there's not a single impressions video from the Apple Event where someone comments on how bad the screen looks. None.

Exactly, hold an iPad up close and unless you’ve got perfect or Superman Vision, it still looks damn good and clear! Also right on the comments from those who have tried it, not seen one claim the screen is ugly, a disaster, looks really poor...

 

[JBGoode]

wrong post

 

[doboy]

Can we just put this to bed? We'll see when XR hits the market. Some will see (or imagine) the fuzzy text and some won't know the difference. Ultimately, up to each end user to decide.

 

[EugW]

Can we just put this to bed? We'll see when XR hits the market. Some will see (or imagine) the fuzzy text and some won't know the difference. Ultimately, up to each end user to decide.

The problem is there is a lot of misinformation posted in this thread, the most glaring of which is people trying to use iPads' lower pixel density as justification for lower pixel densities in a phone.

And like I said, when I hold an iPad or MacBook pro as close as I'd hold a phone, it's crystal clear. Again, thinking Apple is going to release an ugly screen on the Xr is foolish beyond words. And this is backed up by the fact that there's not a single impressions video from the Apple Event where someone comments on how bad the screen looks. None.

If you actually look at your iPad critically, you'll see that the default font sizes aren't even the same as on your phone. It's not a direct comparison. As we have already mentioned, having larger font sizes is more forgiving of lower pixel densities, even if you hold the iPad at the same distance as the phone (and people often / usually don't).

BTW, several previews comment or suggest that the XR screen doesn't look as quite good as the OLED models. CNBC prefers the colours of the OLED, Tom's describes the XR's screen as just "fairly" sharp.

 

[Aneres11]

The problem is there is a lot of misinformation posted in this thread, the most glaring of which is people trying to use iPads' lower pixel density as justification for lower pixel densities in a phone.

But why is that a problem?

I find it utterly ridiculous the amount of scrutiny we are putting onto the screen of the XR when no one other than tech reviewers and those invited to the Apple Keynote in September have seen it.

From all the videos I've watched (and believe me I've watched nearly all of the hands on vids ) there was not one word uttered about the screen being 'garbage' or not very good.
Those saying the OLED screen is better... ummm well no ****. But I'd expect it to be for £300 more.

I think this is a very obvious example of people being bored waiting for the XR to drop. I know I am.
I have an XS Max currently and I'm a tech nerd, but that bad boy is going straight on eBay the minute my yellow XR is ordered because I absolutely love the look of the phone. I also think the size looks spot on and the price is obviously nicer than that of the Max.

I have a 5S which is a work phone and an iPod Touch 6th gen - both with LCD screens and they are perfectly fine when looking at anything on them. My eye sight is 20-20.
I've just compared my Max and 5s screens and when pixel peeping and looking up close nothing looks 'jagged'. The Max text pops a little more but tbh I'd put that down to sheer screen size and not pixels.

Whilst stretching a lower PPI screen over a larger areas as in the XS may result in a small loss of clarity - I do not care.
I will have a yellow iPhone. I am ecstatic about this fact.
Bye.

 

[EugW]

But why is that a problem?

Because it suggests they don't know what the heck they are talking about, quite frankly.

I find it utterly ridiculous the amount of scrutiny we are putting onto the screen of the XR when no one other than tech reviewers and those invited to the Apple Keynote in September have seen it.

From all the videos I've watched (and believe me I've watched nearly all of the hands on vids ) there was not one word uttered about the screen being 'garbage' or not very good.

I'm not saying it's garbage either. I'm just saying the Plus screens will still be be better, and noticeably so for some (but not all) people.

Those saying the OLED screen is better... ummm well no ****. But I'd expect it to be for £300 more.

I think this is a very obvious example of people being bored waiting for the XR to drop. I know I am.
I have an XS Max currently and I'm a tech nerd, but that bad boy is going straight on eBay the minute my yellow XR is ordered because I absolutely love the look of the phone. I also think the size looks spot on and the price is obviously nicer than that of the Max.

I have a 5S which is a work phone and an iPod Touch 6th gen - both with LCD screens and they are perfectly fine when looking at anything on them. My eye sight is 20-20.

20-20 vision is average vision... for a 50-60 year old.

But it's moot anyway, since people who wear glasses will usually have 20-20 vision or even better than 20-20 vision.

In fact, it is very common for young adults and those with corrective lenses to have 20/15 vision, which is significantly better than 20/20 vision. Some may even have 20/13 vision, but that's more uncommon, and 20/10 vision is much less common.

Theoretically, perfect human vision is 20/5.

tl;dr:

20/20 vision is average visual acuity for a middle-aged to older person, with the expectation that someone who wears glasses or who is say 20 years old may have 20/15 vision, which is better than 20/20.

I've just compared my Max and 5s screens and when pixel peeping and looking up close nothing looks 'jagged'. The Max text pops a little more but tbh I'd put that down to sheer screen size and not pixels.

If you're looking for jagged edges, you'll likely not see them. What you'll see is font softness on small fonts. I can see these quite easily.

I can see this consistently with my 7 Plus over the SE or 8.

Whilst stretching a lower PPI screen over a larger areas as in the XS may result in a small loss of clarity - I do not care.
I will have a yellow iPhone. I am ecstatic about this fact.
Bye.

That's good for you, but not good for everyone. Just because you're fine with it doesn't mean everyone should be, especially when we're talking about a phone that costs $749 minimum.

BTW, I'm actually buying an XR for my wife. I'm just not foolish enough to expect that the text clarity on the XR will be on par with the higher pixel density iPhone screens.

 

[Aneres11]

Because it suggests they don't know what the heck they are talking about, quite frankly.


I'm not saying it's garbage either. I'm just saying the Plus screens will still be be better, and noticeably so for some (but not all) people.


20-20 vision is average vision... for a 50-60 year old.

But it's moot anyway, since people who wear glasses will usually have 20-20 vision or even better than 20-20 vision.


If you're looking for jagged edges, you'll likely not see them. What you'll see is font softness on small fonts. I can see these quite easily.

I can see this consistently with my 7 Plus over the SE or 8.


That's good for you, but not good for everyone. Just because you're fine with it doesn't mean everyone should be, especially when we're talking about a phone that costs $749 minimum.

Well that's all really cool.

You can continue to pick it all apart I just thought I'd post to say I for one am excited - low res 'soft' screen or not.

 

[EugW]

20-20 vision is average vision... for a 50-60 year old.

But it's moot anyway, since people who wear glasses will usually have 20-20 vision or even better than 20-20 vision.

In fact, it is very common for young adults and those with corrective lenses to have 20/15 vision, which is significantly better than 20/20 vision. Some may even have 20/13 vision, but that's more uncommon, and 20/10 vision is much less common.

Theoretically, perfect human vision is 20/5.

tl;dr:

20/20 vision is average visual acuity for a middle-aged to older person, with the expectation that someone who wears glasses or who is say 20 years old may have 20/15 vision, which is better than 20/20.

Here we go:

https://markwarren.wordpress.com/tag/2020-vision/

"Retina" for 20/20 vision at an 11" viewing distance is 313 ppi.
"Retina" for 20/15 vision at an 11" viewing distance is 417 ppi.

Thus, it's not a big surprise that some young people or some people with corrective glasses can see a significant difference between a 401 ppi iPhone 8 Plus and a 326 ppi iPhone 8.

 

[WilliamG]

This is so wrong, I do not even know where to start...

Saying that you are noticing pixels at 326 PPI on 4.8 inch display is BS. Sorry but it is... Fonts are gonna look same on 326 PPI and 526 PPI, unless you are looking at it via magnifying glass, or you are hawk or eagle or something.

But since you are a human (I assume)...


...any further conversation is pointless.

You are completely wrong. Everyone is different. The difference to me at normal viewing distances between 326ppi and the later, higher PPI iPhones is staggeringly obvious to me.
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I’m honestly not trying to troll, but I can tell the difference.

Maybe it’s minimal, but the text is a lot crisper for me on the Plus (and definitely the XS Max) compared to the 8.

Yep. For me it’s clear as day, most noticeably on small text.

 

[cardfan]

To each their own. There were many who couldn’t tell the difference between retina iPad and the nonretina ones. We heard the same things from them. Heck my wife would look at me like I’m an idiot when I asked her to put on an hd channel instead. Many just don’t care.

 

[Mackinjosh]

The problem is there is a lot of misinformation posted in this thread, the most glaring of which is people trying to use iPads' lower pixel density as justification for lower pixel densities in a phone.


If you actually look at your iPad critically, you'll see that the default font sizes aren't even the same as on your phone. It's not a direct comparison. As we have already mentioned, having larger font sizes is more forgiving of lower pixel densities, even if you hold the iPad at the same distance as the phone (and people often / usually don't).

BTW, several previews comment or suggest that the XR screen doesn't look as quite good as the OLED models. CNBC prefers the colours of the OLED, Tom's describes the XR's screen as just "fairly" sharp.

Neither of those sound like negatives. Some people prefer OLED some prefer LCD. A common complaint of Apple users before Apple used OLED screens was that the colors on Samsung phones were too cartoonish. Not worried.

 

[apolloa]

But why is that a problem?

I find it utterly ridiculous the amount of scrutiny we are putting onto the screen of the XR when no one other than tech reviewers and those invited to the Apple Keynote in September have seen it.

From all the videos I've watched (and believe me I've watched nearly all of the hands on vids ) there was not one word uttered about the screen being 'garbage' or not very good.
Those saying the OLED screen is better... ummm well no ****. But I'd expect it to be for £300 more.

I think this is a very obvious example of people being bored waiting for the XR to drop. I know I am.
I have an XS Max currently and I'm a tech nerd, but that bad boy is going straight on eBay the minute my yellow XR is ordered because I absolutely love the look of the phone. I also think the size looks spot on and the price is obviously nicer than that of the Max.

I have a 5S which is a work phone and an iPod Touch 6th gen - both with LCD screens and they are perfectly fine when looking at anything on them. My eye sight is 20-20.
I've just compared my Max and 5s screens and when pixel peeping and looking up close nothing looks 'jagged'. The Max text pops a little more but tbh I'd put that down to sheer screen size and not pixels.

Whilst stretching a lower PPI screen over a larger areas as in the XS may result in a small loss of clarity - I do not care.
I will have a yellow iPhone. I am ecstatic about this fact.
Bye.

But someone on the Internet is wrong aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Silly really, I’m more the sure the XR will look damn good, far better then people ‘think’ it will be. I was consdering the yellow one hmmm..

 

[Aneres11]

But someone on the Internet is wrong aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Sad really, I’m more the sure the XR will look damn good, far better then people ‘think’ it will be. I was consdering the yellow one hmmm..

Haha - too true.

And I am really excited for it. If people are that bothered about the screen, don't buy it or wait until you see it.
Funny how some are saying "enjoy your 6 year old screen" when if Apple put this in the X from the get go it'd be the best thing ever.

 

[apolloa]

Haha - too true.

And I am really excited for it. If people are that bothered about the screen, don't buy it or wait until you see it.
Funny how some are saying "enjoy your 6 year old screen" when if Apple put this in the X from the get go it'd be the best thing ever.

Yeap, I was at the Apple store on Monday, spent a long time playing with the XS Max, I have my screens set to zoomed mode and bold text, and in my eyes the 8 Plus looked FAR better then the XS Max! It was clearer and easier to read. So I’m really not worried about the XR and am looking forward to it, the XR will also be a worlds first with a bezelless LCD screen using brand new tech even though the uninformed claim it’s 6 year old tech haha.

It will also be nice to buy a 128GB storage phone too.

 

[-M4-]

Yeap, I was at the Apple store on Monday, spent a long time playing with the XS Max, I have my screens set to zoomed mode and bold text, and in my eyes the 8 Plus looked FAR better then the XS Max! It was clearer and easier to read. So I’m really not worried about the XR and am looking forward to it, the XR will also be a worlds first with a bezelless LCD screen using brand new tech even though the uninformed claim it’s 6 year old tech haha.

It will also be nice to buy a 128GB storage phone too.

Well, the plus does have better text sharpness than the normal versions. And from what EugW posted a while back, the plus line should be comparable to the X line in sharpness.

 

[Aneres11]

Yeap, I was at the Apple store on Monday, spent a long time playing with the XS Max, I have my screens set to zoomed mode and bold text, and in my eyes the 8 Plus looked FAR better then the XS Max! It was clearer and easier to read. So I’m really not worried about the XR and am looking forward to it, the XR will also be a worlds first with a bezelless LCD screen using brand new tech even though the uninformed claim it’s 6 year old tech haha.

It will also be nice to buy a 128GB storage phone too.

BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AN IPHONE 8 AND NOT A PLUS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE XR SCREEN IS GOING TO BE SOOOO BAD.
IT WILL BE GARBAGE AND LOOK LIKE A TFT DISPLAY FROM 2002.

I'll stop now...

Yup, 128GB for me too - and yellooowww!