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Stop with all of Apple BS excuses.Hey Siri was successfully implemented through jailbreaks on iPhone 5s without any negative consequences.3D Touch via swipes is implemented on jailbreaks

The problem isnt the hardware.The fact is if these features made their way to older devices no one would buy the newer devices



If there isnt a conspiracy why does Android on a Nexus not get slower through updates while iOS always does?



Preach.Some fans have their head so deep buried in the sand,they wouldnt recognize planned obsolesence if it smacked them in the face

It depends on the Nexus device. My Motorola Xoom got faster than slower. Same with my Nexus 10. Conversely my iPhone 4S felt faster on iOS 7 than 6 (or maybe that was 6 than 5 I can't remember) but the update brought new life to the phone.

Also consider the software itself. iOS has been VERY basic, adding features leaves no room for optimization since even a well optimized feature has a slow down effect than not having that feature at all.

Android on the other hand has been optimizing features that have been slowing the OS down from the start. Reference Project Butter.

You don't NEED to update iOS if you don't want too.

Looking at this the opposite way. If Apple wanted to plan obsolescence it would be better to introduce new features and NOT push them to older handsets so people wanted to upgrade their phones to get those features.
 
Conversely my iPhone 4S felt faster on iOS 7 than 6 (or maybe that was 6 than 5 I can't remember) but the update brought new life to the phone.
Probably 5 -> 6. I had a launch iPhone 5s and that was stuttery on iOS 7. I enabled Reduce Motion as soon as that option became available to minimize/eliminate the stutters.
 
It's not planned obsolescence. It's technology going at a faster pace than what people are used to.

Consumer electronics of the past, ie. appliances, TVs, etc, tend to have longer lifecycle since advancement in them are going at that rate.
Then computers came, where moore's law applied.
Then smartphones came, amplifying the effect even more.

Apple simply make the best iPhones with the best margin they can get at that period, and the next, etc. As for iOS, it seems to be designed for the iPhone released on that year in mind. Apple has no issue in abandoning "legacy" support quicker than the likes of Microsoft. It's just the way they operate.
 
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There aren't many complaints because iOS 10 is a face saver compared to the pile of dog **** iOS 9 which I compare with Windows Vista.iOS 10 is Its Windows 10.iOS 8.4.1 is Windows 7 the best OS ever released in its respective family

However there is zero proof iOS 10 is faster than iOS 9.We are so used to iOS devices slowing down with every update that the fact that there was negligible performance degradation has us dancing for joy
iOS 8 is vista, iOS 9 is Windows 10.

since 8 was the worst release, followed by 7 and iOS 9 was the best release out of the trio, I expect iOS 10 to be better and faster than iOS 9.

The only slowdown I've noticed is my iPad 2; which got faster after iOS 9 updates. iOS 8 was a nightmare on that device.
 
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I wish I could answer this with my iPad II, but with IOS 9 it runs so slow that I hate using it. I was hoping things would improve with IOS 10 but they aren't supporting the iPad II any longer with IOS updates.
 
There aren't many complaints because iOS 10 is a face saver compared to the pile of dog **** iOS 9 which I compare with Windows Vista.iOS 10 is Its Windows 10.iOS 8.4.1 is Windows 7 the best OS ever released in its respective family

However there is zero proof iOS 10 is faster than iOS 9.We are so used to iOS devices slowing down with every update that the fact that there was negligible performance degradation has us dancing for joy
An once again selective logic comes into play. There's as much "proof" as there is proof about this or that being faster or slower about any other iOS or Android or what have you updates. Can't have it one way and not the other. We constantly come back to the same old observations.
 
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Hardware sabotage? No. But iOS updates will slowly but surely run your device into the ground.

Apple "support" their devices for extended periods of time, which sounds great to the end user because their devices are still being updated with new features etc. The trade off however, is that performance will drop and the device becomes a chore to use.

Yes it's the nature of technology to update every so often, but I feel for those who don't know better then wonder why their old iPhone or iPad is suddenly a pig.

Also if you rely on certain apps, eventually those updates will come knocking. Then you can either suffer or buy a new device.

GGs.

edit: just saw the iFixit video linked above. Interesting stuff...
 
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Honestly I would really like Apple to take the current Android approach to this issue and just issue security patches to devices without the forced updating of the OS. People would be pleased as they can just stay on whatever OS version they'd like, but have the latest security releases. Apple could also just stop supporting security patches for an OS after, say, 2 years. The user could then decide to continue using the OS they like, with no more security patches, or update to the latest iOS version that the device supports and be covered for another year or two of security patches. Heck, that would mean the iPhone 4s would still have another year of software support left, making it a total of 6 years of support! They could still optimize the newest iOS for the newest devices, but at least people would have options. The iPhone would still sell well, as new and shiny makes wallets open real fast. I'm sure it could be a headache to implement though...
 
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An once again selective logic comes into play. There's as much "proof" as there is proof about this or that being faster or slower about any other iOS or Android or what have you updates. Can't have it one way and not the other. We constantly come back to the same old observations.
I showed you proof of Marshmallow faster than Lollipop.You are trying to deflect from what we are discussing.I will make it straight .Please show me visual evidence where iOS 10 is faster than iOS 9 and I will stop
iOS 8 is vista, iOS 9 is Windows 10.

since 8 was the worst release, followed by 7 and iOS 9 was the best release out of the trio, I expect iOS 10 to be better and faster than iOS 9.

The only slowdown I've noticed is my iPad 2; which got faster after iOS 9 updates. iOS 8 was a nightmare on that device.
I could have sworn that 54% users on 9to5 voted iOS 9 as much much worse than iOS 8 was.Do you want me to post the link?
 
If am not mistaken, I remember Tim Cook admitting to a very mild degree of planned obsolescence. He didn't use those word, but he was rather talking about how the apple watch is likely to las about 3 generations. I mean, even if he didn't admit it, it is there are at a certain degree. At some point, devices no longer receive iOS updates, or products are no longer serviced at the genius bar.
 
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Everyone phone with a sealed battery has planned obsolescene

Updates are simple: if you know the software is going to introduce new (i.e more power hungry features) and your phone can't handle it don't upgrade if everything else is running smoothly.
 
If am not mistaken, I remember Tim Cook admitting to a very mild degree of planned obsolescence. He didn't use those word, but he was rather talking about how the apple watch is likely to las about 3 generations. I mean, even if he didn't admit it, it is there are at a certain degree. At some point, devices no longer receive iOS updates, or products are no longer serviced at the genius bar.
Guess who is on the first page when I search for planned obsolescence on Google?Of course fans will deny this
 
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I'd say no. Engineers at apple are professionals, and some of the best in the world. If they were asked to sabotage their work on purpose they would likely say no, quit, leak it to the media etc!

Professionals may or may not have integrity. "Best" is subjective. It's a business, certainly they want to sell you a new phone each year. They are trying to pack in new exclusive features into each new phone they release, so in the end the software will render it obsolete. This is planned, but then again, we want the latest and greatest so our friends will love us.
 
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Guess who is on the first page when I search for planned obsolescence on Google?Of course fans will deny this
Lol that search took all of 5 seconds... I am a huge apple supporter, but I also quite easily recognize the use of Apple's planned obsolescence as a business decision.

That is pretty funny too that you found it so quickly. Guess that answers the OP's question....
 
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PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE HAS LED TO RIDICULOUS PRODUCT CYCLES, AND IT’S TIME TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

By Brad Jones — May 22, 2016 12:00 PM

In 2015, Apple unveiled the iPhone Upgrade Program — a slick subscription model that lets devotees pay a monthly hardware fee directly to the manufacturer, with an option to trade in their phone for the new model every twelve months.

By setting up this program, Apple indirectly confirmed something that we knew already; a new iPhone will be released every year for the foreseeable future, and the company hopes that you’ll buy each and every one.

This is just one example of a philosophy that has long governed the consumer tech industry, and many others — planned obsolescence.

Best laid plans

At its core, planned obsolescence is a method of making useful products seem obsolete before this is the case, typically with the intent of selling a ‘new and improved’ version.

The need to sell more hardware is eclipsing the purpose of refinements made to the product.

There’s many ways to accomplish this. In the early 20th century, a group known as the Phoebus cartel managed to standardize the life of a lightbulb at 1,000 hours, and all it took was the threat of financial repercussions for any manufacturer that exceeded that amount.

This tactic wrung extra money out of the consumer by convincing them the product already in their home is in dire need of replacement. However, undercutting the product’s functionality isn’t the only strategy on the table.

In the 1920s, it was becoming more and more difficult for automobile manufacturers to sell their product, as the market had become saturated. Anyone who had the money and desire to purchase a car had already bought one.

General Motors president Alfred Sloan decided on a simple solution: annual model changes. Imitating a process that had already been used by bicycle manufacturers, Sloan released the 1923 Chevrolet. The car had a completely new exterior, but the chassis was unchanged. Sloan had invented the “model year,” a concept that today is so common it’s hard to imagine how cars could be sold without it. This was a crucial moment for industry, as it demonstrated consumers would purchase a new car — a considerable expenditure back then, as today — despite minimal changes.

The practice is alive and well, and has been refined by consumer technology. Today’s tech giants don’t just practice planned obsolescence; they’re founded on it.

Obsolescence of desirability

In his book The Waste Makers, social critic Vance Packard outlined the three prongs of planned obsolescence. The first is obsolescence of function, where a product is simply outmatched by a more capable replacement — and that’s something that we should all applaud, as it’s the sort of competition that benefits the consumer.

The second is obsolescence of quality, where a product is built to break down and fail over a particular span of time. It’s easy to throw around accusations of today’s items “not being built how they used to,” but in practice, this isn’t the biggest problem with today’s output.

Instead, it’s the third variety of planned obsolescence that we should be worried about: the obsolescence of desirability. This refers to the process of making the newest version of a particular product desirable, intentionally doing so to the detriment of its predecessors.

Rumors have been circulating for some time about what new functionality the iPhone 7 will offer up — and all but the most outlandish make the smartphone sound like an incremental update over the iPhone 6. Does a waterproof casing or a slightly better camera lens warrant getting rid of your working phone? No, but scores of people will put their money on the table as soon as a release date is announced.

Packard observed that “the American people themselves have been conditioned over the years to respond favorably to some kinds of obsolescence.” The Waste Makers was written more than 50 years ago, but it’s as potent as it ever was today.

The appearance of change

It’s interesting to note that Apple’s decision to implement the iPhone Upgrade Program comes at a time when the evolution of its flagship smartphone seems to be slowing to a crawl.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that the phones are bad. Apple has released five iterations of the iPhone since 2014 — 6, 6 Plus, 6S, 6S Plus and SE — and all of them have received review scores of four stars or higher. However, there’s more to the story than that.

“You don’t really need the iPhone 6S, but you’re going to want it anyway.”

Most of these reviews call out Apple for refusing to include features like a larger battery and waterproofing in its devices. This review of the iPhone 6 Plus suggests that its “specs aren’t much better than iPhone 5S.” Perhaps the most damning statement on the stagnation of the iPhone’s iterative development — or, conversely, the highest praise possible of Apple’s knack for planned obsolescence — comes as a lead-in to our review of last year’s model: “You don’t really need the iPhone 6S, but you’re going to want it anyway.”

These reviews aren’t incorrect in their assessment of Apple’s hardware. These devices are sure to deliver a superlative experience to the first-time buyer, but they’re less apt to leave you blown away by their capabilities if you’re upgrading from an iPhone that’s a year or two old.

Yet that’s exactly what the iPhone Upgrade Program has been designed to facilitate. The plan is billed by Apple as “an easier way to get a new iPhone every year” — implying that you were inevitably going to buy each new iteration whether or not Apple made it “easy.”

That said, this ease doesn’t come free. Predictably, analysis of the program found that you’ll end up paying more for your iPhone if you opt into the plan, although you do get the added benefit of AppleCare+ protection.

This isn’t to say that Apple deserves to be disparaged for trying to turn a profit. However, we should perhaps question whether a barrage of marketing is helping us ignore the fact that product cycles have become ridiculously swift, and the difference between iterations is less apparent than ever before.

When the iPhone 3G launched, it introduced GPS functionality, 3G connectivity support and the App Store. Its successor, the 3GS, was viewed as an incremental update — and it added video recording to the phone’s capabilities. The iPhone 4 came next, with its Retina display, iOS 4.0 and a completely new physical design in tow.

It’s difficult to imagine how Apple could accomplish this sort of quantum leap with the iPhone 7. And if the company isn’t able to, why should we expect ourselves to act like it’s a must buy?

Breaking the product cycle

Apple makes a great example of planned obsolescence, but the company is just conforming to industry expectations. The one-size-fits-all nature of its devices makes it easy to point out the endless product cycle at work, but other manufacturers are just as guilty.

Much of the consumer experience rests on a platform of planned obsolescence. Companies don’t go into business with the intention of perfecting one product then moving on to the next; their long-term strategies revolve around supplying the same commodity for decades, employing incremental changes to keep things fresh.

Unfortunately, the task of breaking this cycle falls to the consumer. The customer is always right — especially if the customer chooses to buy a newer version of their current smartphone every twelve months. It’s only when that customer can’t be relied upon that manufacturers will change their plan of attack.

However, the government could offer a helping hand. Last year, legislation was passed in France that requires companies to outline the expected lifespan of a product to consumers.

This scenario removes the most problematic element of planned obsolescence: the hoodwinking of the consumer. No one expects a device to last forever, but companies could tell us exactly how long they think a device will keep kicking. How many charges can the battery handle before it’s useless? How long will the display keep shining? How long until the plastic cracks, or the metal corrodes? Companies rarely offer specific information about any of this.

Constant evolution has allowed computers, smartphones and other tech hardware to evolve in leaps and bounds over the last thirty years. However, we’ve come to a point where the need to sell more hardware is eclipsing the purpose of any additions or refinements made to the product.

Vance Packard said it best when he declared “All the emphasis on style tends to cause the product designers and public alike to be preoccupied with the appearance of change rather than the real values involved,” — and he delivered that warning long before Apple sold 700 million iPhones.
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Pretty damn good article! Hits just about everything on the head of the nail.
 
I showed you proof of Marshmallow faster than Lollipop.You are trying to deflect from what we are discussing.I will make it straight .Please show me visual evidence where iOS 10 is faster than iOS 9 and I will stop

I could have sworn that 54% users on 9to5 voted iOS 9 as much much worse than iOS 8 was.Do you want me to post the link?
Sure that's a scientific non-biased study. Just start a macrumors poll, now and see what people say. At least it will be close to home even if biased.
 
Sure that's a scientific non-biased study. Just start a macrumors poll, now and see what people say. At least it will be close to home even if biased.
Do you live in a world of benchmarks and numbers or real life ?

So people on a Apple website are biased AGAINST Apple ? Sure bro

That 54% was a biased number just not biased in a good way as it was supposed to be
 
Lol that search took all of 5 seconds... I am a huge apple supporter, but I also quite easily recognize the use of Apple's planned obsolescence as a business decision.

That is pretty funny too that you found it so quickly. Guess that answers the OP's question....
Me too.But be prepared to be called a hater for stating the obvious
 
Do you live in a world of benchmarks and numbers or real life ?

So people on a Apple website are biased AGAINST Apple ? Sure bro

That 54% was a biased number just not biased in a good way as it was supposed to be
I live in a world where, for good reason, I doubt a lot if what is posted on the Internet. An enthusiast site is not a statistically valid sample. But what's wrong with trying this poll again? Different results?
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Pretty damn good article! Hits just about everything on the head of the nail.
Planned obsolescence is a viable concept for car companies so cars will be affordable. Other than that the article builds a case on a "house of cards".
 
my iPhone 6 Plus has been a great phone for the last 2 years. But for the last month it has started to become very Buggy and having forced restarts.

Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce ?

Definitely. We all know Apple will bring out a new iPhone each year and Apple need to ensure there isn't complete saturation to the point no-one needs a new iPhone.

Moreover, they will undoubtedly have a roadmap of improvements. They could release a phone with am infinitely better camera, waterproofing, higher res screen, new design etc., but they'll stagger the release of new features in order to cause older versions to become 'obsolete'.
 
Guess who is on the first page when I search for planned obsolescence on Google?Of course fans will deny this

Without looking let me take a guess.

In all the ad revue generating click bait laden links you found some editorials with the name of one of the largest tech companies in the world, specifically one that majority of profit is generated from a single product line which is a mobile device?

Gasp! That is riveting! I think you are on to something here! /sarcasm

But seriously that sounds like a conspiracy theorist mentality. For example if you google search "moon landings" the first page will have links to how it was faked i.e. no factual and relevant information comes from just saying "look what's on the first page of a Google search".

My opinion on this is tech quickly becomes obsolete, it's an effect of moores law. There is no need to "plan" it, it plans itself.

Everyone here is basing planned obsolescence around the speed of their tech....that's it. I still have an iPhone 4S on iOS 9, it's not pleasant to use but you can use it. Apple could counter this slow down in 2 ways and both come at great expense to them.

1. Allow users to roll back. This is harder than it sounds because not only does Apple need to keep old versions of iOS up to date for security reason Devs will need to support all version. This is why you rarely run into compatibility issues in the App Store while it's a much more common thing in the Google Play store, reference tegra.

2. Don't make new devices fast so all devices are on equal playing fields. Obviously a dumb idea.

So what's the solution?
 
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Yes, I definitely think there is a conciously built in obsolescence by Apple for their iOS devices. I have found that 2 years is the point where things go buggy in both their iPhones & ipads. Are they useable after 2 years? Of course. I've just found that is when I begin to see problems. Especially if you update the operating software past that point. I've bought ipads since the very first one in 2010 and have had to upgrade every two years. Either I notice some apps don't run on it, or I experience various bugs & glitches in the operating of the device. That has been my experience.
 
Yes, I definitely think there is a conciously built in obsolescence by Apple for their iOS devices. I have found that 2 years is the point where things go buggy in both their iPhones & ipads. Are they useable after 2 years? Of course. I've just found that is when I begin to see problems. Especially if you update the operating software past that point. I've bought ipads since the very first one in 2010 and have had to upgrade every two years. Either I notice some apps don't run on it, or I experience various bugs & glitches in the operating of the device. That has been my experience.

Which iPad are you currently using?
 
Every year they add a faster processor that uses less energy and add features not on previous phones. Those sneaky bastards at Apple keep improving the phone and have the nerve to revise software to take advantage of those changes.

Those guys at Ford do the same thing. My Model T can't use the wider tires, or go as fast as the new Mustang. And forget about using Bluetooth on the Model T, hell it doesn't have speakers. It's all a plot to get me to buy the new Mustang.:eek:
 
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