Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce

[cynics]

And customers who don't like the fact that their iPhone or iPad has been crippled by an iOS update have no option to breathe life back into their device, which really sucks when they don't have a budget to replace said devices. My Mum and Dad are stuck on iOS 7.1.2 on their iPad 2 and iPad 3, as if I update both and they find it too slow, theres no option to say go back to 8.4.1. There is still fragmentation on iOS, and there will be more given the number of iPads that they're not supporting in iOS 10 (e.g close to 40 percent of installed iPads).

Apple do plan obsolesce in some ways. Soldering and gluing in components which are almost guaranteed to die, is essentially tieing the life of the hardware to those consumable products (EG the battery in MacBook Pros, solid state storage with limited write cycles in iOS devices), components where due to how they have been installed end up costing soo much to replace, that a new device is often warranted.

Sierra is a great example of not planned obsolesce, but arbitrary obsolesce where machines which have been proven to be 100 percent capable of running Sierra have been cut off. Its a complete joke when your $1800 2008 Machine gets 3.5 years of OS support, and your $400 Compaq can run Windows 10 well (in fact machines going back way past 2008 can run Windows 10 acceptably.

Which is it?

You parents iPad will be slow on latest version of iOS so its Apples problem.

A 2008 Mac doesn't get the features of the latest version of OS X (MacOS) so its Apples problem.

Which one do you prefer and/or what middle ground are purposing?

And define "in fact machines going back way past 2008 can run Windows 10 acceptably" because in the day of good specs being Core 2 Duo I personally do not find any machine from that time period to run Windows 10 even remotely close to what I'd personally define as acceptable. Conversely my parents iPad 2 runs iOS 9 acceptably...to them anyway.

Plus adding a dollar spec isn't doing much here. You can buy a late 2009 iMac for $350 on eBay and run MacOS Sierra. Unless you are talking about "of that time period" and I think we both know how well a $400 (in 2008) Compaq will run Windows 10 today.

Also Microsoft doesn't care how well Windows 10 runs on a 2008 Compaq because they have no stake in Compaqs business. Thats a tough comparison to make when you completely separate the hardware and software manufacturers entirely which then makes it irrelevant when talking about planned obsolescence.

No one is really offering any reasonable solutions to their imposed problems of planned obsolescence that don't stifle the advancement in tech hardware and software artificially.

 

[Radon87000]

My ipad 2 is fully patched and is receiving current updates quickly and works in concert with my other IOS 9 devices making it a great user experience. I applaud apple for actively supporting this device for over 5 years.

IOS 8 was the worst release every, as an apple fan it pains me to say that. While the updates never caused loss of functionality, constand app crashes, huge diagnostics logs tells the story. But okay, you found the interface smooth. I don't notice a difference between the two except ios 9 is faster.

Samsung took away, the nice digital guide they read from my internet provider, most of the app store apps and some other social stuff that I was using. Thankfully they left the 3d intact. My guess is they figured they couldn't attract enough developers to their platform, so they killed those features.

And my Nexus 7 which is discontinued on Android Marshmallow will continue to recieve security updates for a long time to come whils still not slowing down my tablet.Sounds like Google beat Apple on this one

iOS 8 was THE BEST for me.I bought my iPhone whe nit was around iOS 8.2.Thing was a beast at that time

You realise that shutting down parts of the store isnt planned obsolesence right?The newer variants also have tyhe same App STORES with removed apps.
If we are to accept your opinion,Apple shutting down the original music app which was user friendly for MY PERSONAL music library is planned obsolesence as the newer app lacks features the older one had

Let's split this nonsense.

1. iPhones and every single phone out there gets slower over time because new functionalities are added as new iterations of the OS come out. These iterations have OS features and depend on hardware that won't be there on older devices. The fact that the first Note could not support split screen while new ones could was not planned obsolescence any more than the iPhone 6 not having 3D Touch was planned insolence. Simply as new hardware appears or iterations of software are deployed, prior versions will see degradation of performance. This happens to every OS out there. My Note 4 became a hot mess on Lollipop, my SGS5 became a hot mess on Lollipop, my SGS3 became a hot mess on KitKat, my SGS2 was unusable after the first upgrade whatever it was. I knew by the time I dropped the Note 4 into the kitchen drawer that one software upgrade on an Android would turn it into a hot pile of processed bovine feed.

And the best way to solve this issue like Google did on its Nexus is TO ALLOW THE DAMN USER to downgrade.What use are those security fixes when the device drives me up the wall every time I use it.The experience with your Note ?I had it with my iPad Mini 1.Damn thing took 5 seconds for the keyboard to pop up.Couldnt browse beyond 2 tabs.Settings screen took 5 seconds to open.iOS 6?Thing was a rocket.Now exactly what PRODUCTIVE user features did iOS 8/9/7 add for this device on these functions which iOS 6 executes effortlessly.Answer?Transparency.I love looking at the blurred screen waiting for they keyboard to pop up for 5 seconds.

I grew frustrated and sold off that piece of trash last month.Got a Samsung Galxy Tab S2 and a cheap Kindle.Sad thing is that 50 bucks tablet at least opens the keybaord faster than the 200 bucks iPad Mini which is 2 years old at this point.

2. Apple stops signing previous versions of software so that there isn't the disastrous OS fragmentation there is on Android. This lack of fragmentation on iOS results in better support for customers and a more consistent platform for developers. Apps run so much better and are so much more reliable on iOS because developers don't have to deal with iOS 5 whereas there are still Android Gingerbread devices out there. I can't even consistently use CNN on my SGS7 edge because it crashes CONSTANTLY. And that's a new device. That's pathetic. My My Fitness Pal is a stuttering mess on Android and completely smooth on iOS. Facebook on my SGS7 stutters and crashes while it's perfectly reliable on iOS. The only Android app that kills the iOS version is my DC Metro app. That's because the developer is not on iOS and I wish he were.

So keep posting your antiApple tirades/Android adverts. You are credible only to your Android buddies.

I like fragmentation.Kept my Nexus 7 2012 on Jellybean.Kept my Nexus 7 5 on Lollipop.Result?Both devices as smooth as the day I got them.Any time I feel like trying out the newer goodies?Use Nexus Root Toolkit .Done

If fragmentation means I can actually use my device for more years instead of feeling like banging my head against a wall with slow trash I will take fragmentation,thank you very much

Which is why government agencies are so fed up with it that they have it up for iPhone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/19/us-army-ditches-android-for-faster-iphones/

Doesnt the US President use a old ass Blackberry?

This is irrelevant to planned obsolesence but just more fodder for you hilarious Android hate

 

[Qbnkelt]

And my Nexus 7 which is discontinued on Android Marshmallow will continue to recieve security updates for a long time to come whils still not slowing down my tablet.Sounds like Google beat Apple on this one

iOS 8 was THE BEST for me.I bought my iPhone whe nit was around iOS 8.2.Thing was a beast at that time

You realise that shutting down parts of the store isnt planned obsolesence right?The newer variants also have tyhe same App STORES with removed apps.
If we are to accept your opinion,Apple shutting down the original music app which was user friendly for MY PERSONAL music library is planned obsolesence as the newer app lacks features the older one had


And the best way to solve this issue like Google did on its Nexus is TO ALLOW THE DAMN USER to downgrade.What use are those security fixes when the device drives me up the wall every time I use it.The experience with your Note ?I had it with my iPad Mini 1.Damn thing took 5 seconds for the keyboard to pop up.Couldnt browse beyond 2 tabs.Settings screen took 5 seconds to open.iOS 6?Thing was a rocket.Now exactly what PRODUCTIVE user features did iOS 8/9/7 add for this device on these functions which iOS 6 executes effortlessly.Answer?Transparency.I love looking at the blurred screen waiting for they keyboard to pop up for 5 seconds.

I grew frustrated and sold off that piece of trash last month.Got a Samsung Galxy Tab S2 and a cheap Kindle.Sad thing is that 50 bucks tablet at least opens the keybaord faster than the 200 bucks iPad Mini which is 2 years old at this point.





I like fragmentation.Kept my Nexus 7 2012 on Jellybean.Kept my Nexus 7 5 on Lollipop.Result?Both devices as smooth as the day I got them.Any time I feel like trying out the newer goodies?Use Nexus Root Toolkit .Done

If fragmentation means I can actually use my device for more years instead of feeling like banging my head against a wall with slow trash I will take fragmentation,thank you very much



Doesnt the US President use a old ass Blackberry?

This is irrelevant to planned obsolesence but just more fodder for you hilarious Android hate

You don't care about security which is why you prefer Android. Great reasoning!!! not sure that you would consider it an endorsement for Android.

http://www.howtogeek.com/208853/war...wser-probably-isn’t-getting-security-updates/

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...der-the-bus-refuses-to-patch-os-vulnerability

http://m.androidcentral.com/monthly-security-patches-are-most-important-updates-youll-never-get

"I LOVE my Android devices!!!!! I can run them without any security upgrades!!!" said no logical reasonable individual ever.....

Got no clue what you're going in about with the stores. Been running iTunes since 2007 and haven't lost one song yet. So I'll let that rant go by.....

Transparency? Can be tweaked. Next????

What you don't understand is that fragmentation *contributes* to the degradation of functionality. Which is why my Android devices became steaming piles.

And the link I posted was relevant to your comment about speed on Android devices after upgrades. Which was.....none.

As to BlackBerries.....who cares. I left them two and a half years ago because they were healing steaming piles. Like my Androids. Of course if you love BlackBerries go get one. I understand they're running your favourite OS now in an attempt to keep their noses above water. Don't know what that's got to do with the price of tea in China or this particular discussion except to obfuscate.

Oh yeah and my Android hate developed over years of use. Unlike you, I don't spend time trashing an OS I can't stand over in Android forums, whereas you spend huge amounts of time ranting against an OS you can't stand in Apple centric forums.

 

[I7guy]

And my Nexus 7 which is discontinued on Android Marshmallow will continue to recieve security updates for a long time to come whils still not slowing down my tablet.Sounds like Google beat Apple on this one

iOS 8 was THE BEST for me.I bought my iPhone whe nit was around iOS 8.2.Thing was a beast at that time

You realise that shutting down parts of the store isnt planned obsolesence right?The newer variants also have tyhe same App STORES with removed apps.
If we are to accept your opinion,Apple shutting down the original music app which was user friendly for MY PERSONAL music library is planned obsolesence as the newer app lacks features the older one had


And the best way to solve this issue like Google did on its Nexus is TO ALLOW THE DAMN USER to downgrade.What use are those security fixes when the device drives me up the wall every time I use it.The experience with your Note ?I had it with my iPad Mini 1.Damn thing took 5 seconds for the keyboard to pop up.Couldnt browse beyond 2 tabs.Settings screen took 5 seconds to open.iOS 6?Thing was a rocket.Now exactly what PRODUCTIVE user features did iOS 8/9/7 add for this device on these functions which iOS 6 executes effortlessly.Answer?Transparency.I love looking at the blurred screen waiting for they keyboard to pop up for 5 seconds.

I grew frustrated and sold off that piece of trash last month.Got a Samsung Galxy Tab S2 and a cheap Kindle.Sad thing is that 50 bucks tablet at least opens the keybaord faster than the 200 bucks iPad Mini which is 2 years old at this point.





I like fragmentation.Kept my Nexus 7 2012 on Jellybean.Kept my Nexus 7 5 on Lollipop.Result?Both devices as smooth as the day I got them.Any time I feel like trying out the newer goodies?Use Nexus Root Toolkit .Done

If fragmentation means I can actually use my device for more years instead of feeling like banging my head against a wall with slow trash I will take fragmentation,thank you very much



Doesnt the US President use a old ass Blackberry?

This is irrelevant to planned obsolesence but just more fodder for you hilarious Android hate

But my iPad 2 received full functionality updates for 5 years and integrates with my iOS 9 devices and my mac book pros as well as new apps taking advantage of iOS 9 enhancements as of a few days ago with 9.3.5.

Planned obsolescence does exist but not in the garden variety conspiracy theory to sell more phones. If that was the case The FCC must be in bed with Samsung as discontinuing analog broadcasts were the very essence of planned obsolescence and gave business to Samsung and other manufacturers. RIght, planned obsolescence at the govt level. And Samsung neutering my tv with updates Planned obsolescence? The world is against us I tell ya.

 

[Radon87000]

You don't care about security which is why you prefer Android. Great reasoning!!! not sure that you would consider it an endorsement for Android.

"I LOVE my Android devices!!!!! I can run them without any security upgrades!!!" said no logical reasonable individual ever.....

Got no clue what you're going in about with the stores. Been running iTunes since 2007 and haven't lost one song yet. So I'll let that rant go by.....

Transparency? Can be tweaked. Next????

What you don't understand is that fragmentation *contributes* to the degradation of functionality. Which is why my Android devices became steaming piles.

And the link I posted was relevant to your comment about speed on Android devices after upgrades. Which was.....none.

As to BlackBerries.....who cares. I left them two and a half years ago because they were healing steaming piles. Like my Androids. Of course if you love BlackBerries go get one. I understand they're running your favourite OS now in an attempt to keep their noses above water. Don't know what that's got to do with the price of tea in China or this particular discussion except to obfuscate.

Oh yeah and my Android hate developed over years of use. Unlike you, I don't spend time trashing an OS I can't stand over in Android forums, whereas you spend huge amounts of time ranting against an OS you can't stand in Apple centric forums.

I would Applaud the flawless use of emojis if it werent for the fact that the post clearly went over your head.Lets try again

I would prefer a device which is unsecure over a pile of constant updates which slowly makes my device a unusable POS over time to the point it takes 5 seconds just to open settings.Typing is a nightmare.I type a word on that keybaord and can take 2 sips of coffee by the time the Mini processes it on iOS 9 the most secure OS ever.I WANT TO USE my device.Not stare at version numbers and bug fixes all day.

Fragmentation turned out to be a blessing for me on Android.Nexus 5.I updated it to Marshmallow.Horrendous battery issues.Rolled back.Perfect till this day.Nexus 7 2013.Latest version runs buttery smooth.Lollipop?A complete mess.Kept it on Marshmallow.

What I like about Nexus compared to other Androids is that it has the flexibility of the iPhone model for updates and at the same time gives me a choice to downgrade whenever I want to with 0 loss of data.

Now for my iOS devices

iPad Mini 1.Slow on iOS 8 and garbage on iOS 9.Put up with it for a year or 2.Trashed it as even 50 bucks devices are faster at this point.If I could roll back to iOS 6 ,I would have.At least I could browse the web on it
iPad Air 2. Extremely fast on iOS 8.Average on iOS 9 and 10.No longer as enthralled by its speed as I once was
iPad Pro 9.7. Super fast.iOS 10.THis baby wrecks all the devices I have right now in speed.Zero stutters.Zero lag.

For the first 3 I dont have a choice to roll back.I desperately want to but am trapped.This feels much more restrictive than Android to me.Why the hell should I have a tradeoff between security and performance?If I had to choose I will ALWAYS choose performance.

 

[Qbnkelt]

No I would prefer a device which is unsecure over a pile of constant updates which slowly makes my device a unusable POS over time to the point it takes 5 seconds just to open settings.Typing is a nightmare.I type a word on that keybaord and can take 2 sips of coffee by the time the Mini processes it on iOS 9 the most secure OS ever.I WANT TO USE my device.Not stare at version numbers and bug fixes all day.

Fragmentation turned out to be a blessing for me on Android.Nexus 5.I updated it to Marshmallow.Horrendous battery issues.Rolled back.Perfect till this day.Nexus 7 2013.Latest version runs buttery smooth.Lollipop?A complete mess.Kept it on Marshmallow.

What I like about Nexus compared to other Androids is that it has the flexibility of the iPhone model for updates and at the same time gives me a choice to downgrade whenever I want to with 0 loss of data.

Now for my iOS devices

iPad Mini 1.Slow on iOS 8 and garbage on iOS 9.Put up with it for a year or 2.Trashed it as even 50 bucks devices are faster at this point.If I could roll back to iOS 6 ,I would have.At least I could browse the web on it
iPad Air 2. Extremely fast on iOS 8.Average on iOS 9 and 10.No longer as enthralled by its speed as I once was
iPad Pro 9.7. Super fast.iOS 10.THis baby wrecks all the devices I have right now in speed.Zero stutters.Zero lag.

For the first 3 I dont have a choice to roll back.I desperately want to but am trapped.This feels much more restrictive than Android to me.Why the hell should I have a tradeoff between security and performance?If I had to choose I will ALWAYS choose performance.

LOL!!!! I *DON'T* trade off between security and performance because my iPhones have done exactly what I wanted exactly when unwanted it. Unlike my Android devices that became worthy only of the trash bin after the first OS upgrade and which only after this year began having monthly security updates.

You don't place a high value in security. As an IT system manager I do. That makes us different and that is the reason I choose iPhone. Had I not needed to test web based apps in Android I would have ended my relationship with that heaping steaming pile back with my Note 4. Which is why I don't spend time in Android centric sites.

I open settings on my work device which is an iPhone 6 on 9.3.5 instantaneously. Typing in the stock keyboard (I don't use third party keyboards) is exactly the same on my iPhone 6 as my iPhone 6s Plus and my iPhone SE. The hyperbole about the mini.....well....hyperbole doesn't merit addressing.....

Don't have minis so can't answer those. My iPad 3 is slower than it was. As I stated before, I understand the interaction of OS and hardware so it doesn't throw me. Now.....for a Note 4 to become a steaming pile after one OS upgrade is unacceptable so I stopped using it and stopped going to Android forums.

Your remaining rants....are the usual anti Apple rants. Nothing new, nothing different. Same old same old.

Entertaining though. I'm tickled finding someone who prefers fragmentation a and doesn't care about security. Truly an interesting frame of mind.

 

[Radon87000]

I've got an iPhone 3GS that's running on iOS 5. I keep it because it was my first iPhone. I've got an iPad 3 that I got in 2011. It's on iOS 8. I stopped there because I know the interplay between hardware, OS, and optimisation.

I've got an HP machine that I got in 2011 on Windows 10.1. It's painfully slow. At no point in time did I think it was planned obsolescence. It's just the nature of iterative OS development.

Of course, I understand these things to be logical. So I don't go off the deep end with conspiracy theories. I accept them as fact as software development because, contrary to Android die hards to refuse to acknowledge it, degradation happens IN ALL PLATFORMS as a result of OS upgrades. So if one claims the conspiracy theory for Apple then they also need to acknowledge it exists in Samsung. But they don't. Because it's more fun to come
to Apple centric sites to rant and moan and do their amateur free advert for Android/Samsung.

Going back means maintaining a fragmented OS. And that's Android, not Apple. To all family members I explain that upgrading their older Apple devices will result in degradation. They have a finite period of time after upgrading to go back to the previous OS if they should before Apple stops supporting it. They choose. Because they're all in two year cycles they choose for a new device.

Personally I prefer, for myself and for them, a more stable app selection and better support from Apple over keeping an OS that several years old.

Fragmentation in iOS is minuscule as compared to Android, where it is a given.

OS updates on Android arent the same as OS updates on iOS.What did iOS 10 add?An improved iMessage?A better Siri?A better keyboard?Improved Photos?I just about listed 70% of the new iOS features

These very same things dont need an OS update on Android.Everything is updated through the Play Store.Bug fixes and Security updates are delivered through Play Services API

BTW,its pretty clear on Android that if you want updates get a Nexus and run it on Project Fi.People who buy other Android devices fall into one of the below categories

1.People who want the best hardware out there and dont care about updates because of the unique features of each Android Skin.I find HTC's Sense and TouchWiz offering most of Android Nougat's features right in their own skill.Heck Samsung supported spilt screen multi tasking before Nougat became a thing

2.People who buy budget devices.If you spend money on a phone equivalent to a night out and complain about updates ,those guys need to get their priorities straight first

 

[rui no onna]

And customers who don't like the fact that their iPhone or iPad has been crippled by an iOS update have no option to breathe life back into their device, which really sucks when they don't have a budget to replace said devices. My Mum and Dad are stuck on iOS 7.1.2 on their iPad 2 and iPad 3, as if I update both and they find it too slow, theres no option to say go back to 8.4.1. There is still fragmentation on iOS, and there will be more given the number of iPads that they're not supporting in iOS 10 (e.g close to 40 percent of installed iPads).

I've used iOS 8 and 9 on the iPad 3. iOS 9 is better. On iOS 8, it takes several seconds between when I type and when the characters even show up on display. I really regretted updating the iPad 3 from iOS 6 to iOS 8 (did it for HBONow). The iPad became practically unusable for anything aside from video and music playback/streaming.

I wonder if the folks who were complaining about iOS 9 being slower were on at least A8 CPU (6, 6+, Air 2). Personally, iOS 9 breathed new life into my devices with A7 and older (iPad 3, 4 and Air). A7 moreso with support for content blockers. iOS 9 also gave me fewer webpage crashes compared to iOS 8.

That said, I recommend just sticking to iOS 7 on your parents' iPad. My solution to dwindling app support on my mom's iPad 3 (still running iOS 6) is to get her a new iPad.

 

[Radon87000]

LOL!!!! I *DON'T* trade off between security and performance because my iPhones have done exactly what I wanted exactly when unwanted it. Unlike my Android devices that became worthy only of the trash bin after the first OS upgrade and which only after this year began having monthly security updates.

Maybe YOU dont See a tradeoff but I clearly see a tradeoff each time I update my iOS device.My Air 2 is pretty decent but iOS 9 definitely took a toll on it.
On Android when I see a unacceptable performance decrease I downgrade.Problem solved

You don't place a high value in security. As an IT system manager I do. That makes us different and that is the reason I choose iPhone. Had I not needed to test web based apps in Android I would have ended my relationship with that heaping steaming pile back with my Note 4. Which is why I don't spend time in Android centric sites.

I am not talking from a corporate view point.I am talking from a consumer standpoint and who planned obsolesence affects the most.Where I intern,the company replaces its suite of Android devices every 1.5 years or so.Planned obsolesence wont work for corporates.

I use both iOS and Android as I believe the each complement the other's flaws.I do admit that Nexus has a upper hand over iPhone in update flexibility but the speed of the latest iOS device on the latest version of iOS cant be matched.

I open settings on my work device which is an iPhone 6 on 9.3.5 instantaneously. Typing in the stock keyboard (I don't use third party keyboards) is exactly the same on my iPhone 6 as my iPhone 6s Plus and my iPhone SE. The hyperbole about the mini.....well....hyperbole doesn't merit addressing.....

I was talking about the settings and keyboard in context of the Mini.

BTW this is hyperbole?Right?

Don't have minis so can't answer those. My iPad 3 is slower than it was. As I stated before, I understand the interaction of OS and hardware so it doesn't throw me. Now.....for a Note 4 to become a steaming pile after one OS upgrade is unacceptable so I stopped using it and stopped going to Android forums.

It wouldnt throw me either if a competitor OS came up with a better alternative allowing me to downgrade.

Entertaining though. I'm tickled finding someone who prefers fragmentation a and doesn't care about security. Truly an interesting frame of mind.

It really was entertaining.You should have seen how my MOST SECURE EVAR iPad Mini performed compared to my "unsecure" Nexus 7 on Lollipop.

 

[Qbnkelt]

OS updates on Android arent the same as OS updates on iOS.What did iOS 10 add?An improved iMessage?A better Siri?A better keyboard?Improved Photos?I just about listed 70% of the new iOS features

These very same things dont need an OS update on Android.Everything is updated through the Play Store.Bug fixes and Security updates are delivered through Play Services API

BTW,its pretty clear on Android that if you want updates get a Nexus and run it on Project Fi.People who buy other Android devices fall into one of the below categories

1.People who want the best hardware out there and dont care about updates because of the unique features of each Android Skin.I find HTC's Sense and TouchWiz offering most of Android Nougat's features right in their own skill.Heck Samsung supported spilt screen multi tasking before Nougat became a thing

2.People who buy budget devices.If you spend money on a phone equivalent to a night out and complain about updates ,those guys need to get their priorities straight first

You're obfuscating again. The point was fragmentation on Android when the poster I was answering mentioned fragmentation in iOS. So don't come in carrying the kitchen sink to throw into a discussion that isn't going your way.

As to your two points above:

1. I bought Samsung because I initially experimented and loved my SGS2 and wanted the next iteration so I got the SGS3 when my SGS2 went on a Metro ride without me. Then I wanted a Note for its size and S pen which wasn't readily offered to me in any other device of the time. So I *do* care about updates AND hardware. Didn't care to buy Nexus phones because I like to hold a device and play with it before buying with anything other than an Apple because I know what I get with Apple.

2. Never in my life have bought a budget device. Every device I have ever bought has been the top of the line in its time. Except for the BlackBerry 9360 because it was tiny and I loved having a device I could fit in my barn coat chest pocket. So try again. Your generalisations are so off the mark that they are supremely comical.

 

[Radon87000]

You're obfuscating again. The point was fragmentation on Android when the poster I was answering mentioned fragmentation in iOS. So don't come in carrying the kitchen sink to throw into a discussion that isn't going your way.

As to your two points above:

1. I bought Samsung because I initially experimented and loved my SGS2 and wanted the next iteration so I got the SGS3 when my SGS2 went on a Metro ride without me. Then I wanted a Note for its size and S pen which wasn't readily offered to me in any other device of the time. So I *do* care about updates AND hardware. Didn't care to buy Nexus phones because I like to hold a device and play with it before buying with anything other than an Apple because I know what I get with Apple.

2. Never in my life have bought a budget device. Every device I have ever bought has been the top of the line in its time. Except for the BlackBerry 9360 because it was tiny and I loved having a device I could fit in my barn coat chest pocket. So try again. Your generalisations are so off the mark that they are supremely comical.

We will just have to agree to disagree.I look at things based on how they perform when I use them.You look at ONLY the security standpoint.I have got a old Compaq laptop lying around running on Windows Vista.Thing would run like a chump on Windows 10.Therefore kept it on that OS.At least I can happily run it

 

[rui no onna]

I was talking about the settings and keyboard in context of the Mini.

BTW this is hyperbole?Right?

You might want to look at the video title. That video was taken for iOS 8 (and I've experienced the exact same thing when I updated my iPad 3 to iOS 8). Personally don't have the keyboard lag issue with iOS 9 anymore on the iPad 3.

No idea about the Mini as I don't have one. It's quite possible iOS 9 doesn't play nice with devices with just 512MB RAM. Despite its slow CPU/GPU, the iPad 3 does have 1GB RAM.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Maybe YOU dont See a tradeoff but I clearly see a tradeoff each time I update my iOS device.My Air 2 is pretty decent but iOS 9 definitely took a toll on it.
On Android when I see a unacceptable performance decrease I downgrade.Problem solved


I am not talking from a corporate view point.I am talking from a consumer standpoint and who planned obsolesence affects the most.Where I intern,the company replaces its suite of Android devices every 1.5 years or so.Planned obsolesence wont work for corporates.

I use both iOS and Android as I believe the each complement the other's flaws.I do admit that Nexus has a upper hand over iPhone in update flexibility but the speed of the latest iOS device on the latest version of iOS cant be matched.




I was talking about the settings and keyboard in context of the Mini.

BTW this is hyperbole?Right?

It wouldnt throw me either if a competitor OS came up with a better alternative allowing me to downgrade.



It really was entertaining.You should have seen how my MOST SECURE EVAR iPad Mini performed compared to my "unsecure" Nexus 7 on Lollipop.

You don't see a trade off so you prefer an insecure device. I get that. I disagree both as a corporate IT manager and as a consumer. What I learn in my work I apply as a consumer. Which is why for me security trumps using a fragmented OS.

Look, you prefer your Swiss cheese OS. Cool. Use it. I prefer a stable experience which is why I use iOS. No argument that you have presented is one that I find logical. Fragmentation is a nightmare for development and security but you find it a good thing. Fine. Use your Swiss cheese.

And on planned obsolescent, however much you try to use it, is a red herring in relation to Apple's OS roadmap. But if it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and continue to use it. The tooth fairy might give you a while quid for it.

My agency has a two year upgrade cycle. I'm in the second year of my iPhone 6. No problems at all. No planned obsolescence. We are chucking SGS5 and SGS6 due to buggy performance. Go figure.

Again don't know about Mini. Don't have one so won't comment. I don't take other people's YouTube videos as proof of anything. Too many variables. I take a controlled test of software when draw isn't conclusions or my own experiences. YMMV. There are videos of Bigfoot. You obviously then believe Bigfoot exists since there are videos of Bigfoot.

There is also a TV show called Mountain Monsters. You a fan???? Also an alien autopsy video. Proof positive aliens crashed in Nevada in 1950 something.

Oh and there are mermaids. They're on YouTube. Therefore it's true.

 

[Qbnkelt]

We will just have to agree to disagree.I look at things based on how they perform when I use them.You look at ONLY the security standpoint.I have got a old Compaq laptop lying around running on Windows Vista.Thing would run like a chump on Windows 10.Therefore kept it on that OS.At least I can happily run it

I agree to disagree. However, show me where I said I care ONLY about security. I stated I don't trade one for the other. Both have equal importance.

 

[doitdada]

I don't want to own a single phone for a decade. I have had almost ten phones so far in 2010-2016. That's a wicked number, but the evolution concerning smartphones have been revolutionary. Now the latest phones can run almost all apps and games, it's design and camera quality that differentiate the contemporary smartphone market.

Most apps are present both on Android and iOS. It's kind of hard to care, since both platforms seem to be able to run everything people throw at it. Microsoft is still a joker, even though they lack a killer device in their portfolio. Windows 10 on desktops and laptops is pretty optimized, even for lower tier configurations. Video, 3D and games have always been the segments that demand the latest and greatest, but the rest of the applications are kind of solved performance wise.

It's more about how you can use the software rather than pure specifications for 98% of the users.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Also personal preference.

 

[C DM]

Maybe YOU dont See a tradeoff but I clearly see a tradeoff each time I update my iOS device.My Air 2 is pretty decent but iOS 9 definitely took a toll on it.
On Android when I see a unacceptable performance decrease I downgrade.Problem solved


I am not talking from a corporate view point.I am talking from a consumer standpoint and who planned obsolesence affects the most.Where I intern,the company replaces its suite of Android devices every 1.5 years or so.Planned obsolesence wont work for corporates.

I use both iOS and Android as I believe the each complement the other's flaws.I do admit that Nexus has a upper hand over iPhone in update flexibility but the speed of the latest iOS device on the latest version of iOS cant be matched.




I was talking about the settings and keyboard in context of the Mini.

BTW this is hyperbole?Right?

It wouldnt throw me either if a competitor OS came up with a better alternative allowing me to downgrade.



It really was entertaining.You should have seen how my MOST SECURE EVAR iPad Mini performed compared to my "unsecure" Nexus 7 on Lollipop.

So...the video you yourself provided shows that iOS 8 has issues, the very version you keep on placing on the pedestal and comparing against as being the greatest. Thanks for further proving the silliness behind it all.

 

[Retired Cat]

I don't believe that Apple purposely goes out of its way to make old iPhones perform badly.

The reality is that before the A6 processor, the ARM cores Apple used for the A5 and below just did not have great performance, and they were hampered by 512MB or less RAM. At the A6 level and above, processing performance was good enough to handle a modern mobile OS and most apps. Almost 4 years after release, an iPhone 5 still runs iOS 9 well.

 

[bhayes444]

Also personal preference.

Right there is the reasoning for your smartphone choices. You have no one but yourself to blame for using the Samsung abomination of Android. If you wanted to use an Android device without fragmentation you'd have picked up a Nexus. Plain and simple. Sure most Nexus devices weren't sold in stores, but that's the only Android device on the market that lives up to your requirements. If you really narrowed it down ahead of time you probably would've figured out that your only real options to choose from were a Nexus phone or an iPhone. Then you would've noticed that Nexus devices aren't readily available to demo in stores and you would've just picked the iPhone anyway. Don't hate on Android because you were foolish enough to not do your homework and choose a Samsung device, expecting it to run smoothly after a year or so. Obviously you've done your homework since then, so at least you learned something.

 

[gnasher729]

It's honestly just a coinsidence. But it is funny that it's having random issues a month before the new model iPhone comes out.

One is coincidence. Do you have any evidence or just good reason to believe that this happens to a _significant_ percentage of users? Typically, quite a few devices break when they are almost new (badly built) which is no problem because they are replaced under warranty. Then devices are fine for some time, then they break down more and more due to wear and tear. But not at the same time, because wear and tear is different for every user. And 5 year old devices may last for ages afterwards because they are not use dmuch anymore.

So do you see anything different happening here?

Planned breakdown, if it existed, would always have the risk that customers don't buy the phone that broke down after too short a time again, but they buy another make.

 

[mtneer]

Apple was always seeing iPhone sales go up like crazy year-on-year so far. So they may not have had any reason to plan for obsolescence. Now, with iPhone sales slowing down, they may have a motivation to introduce planned obsolescence to push sales. Whether they will do it or not, or more likely, whether they will admit or not? Who knows...

 

[Shirasaki]

These people who have been complaining for years about planned obsolescence really should take a quick look backward before they continue to tie themselves to a barrel of cement that's been tossed off the pier into the harbor. These people really appear to be the most credulous, gullible people on the internet, which is saying something. Consider this: if Apple and other major tech companies are rolling out products (and doing so every year, mind you) on a development model based on "planned obsolescence," who's planning this obsolescence? Really, does the history of innovation in the tech field in the last five, or ten, or 25 years give any basis at all for the theory that any one person or company or even industry can "plan" technological "obsolescence"?

Do they roll out newer/better/faster products regularly? Of course, that's innovation. Is more or less continued innovation and product improvement "planned obsolescence"? Maybe in Alice's world, but only if you're very, very far down the rabbit hole.

"Innovation" is just another word of "planned obsolescence", methink.
Or just another word of "inevitable obsolescence", not necessarily "planned".

 

[rui no onna]

Right there is the reasoning for your smartphone choices. You have no one but yourself to blame for using the Samsung abomination of Android. If you wanted to use an Android device without fragmentation you'd have picked up a Nexus. Plain and simple. Sure most Nexus devices weren't sold in stores, but that's the only Android device on the market that lives up to your requirements. If you really narrowed it down ahead of time you probably would've figured out that your only real options to choose from were a Nexus phone or an iPhone. Then you would've noticed that Nexus devices aren't readily available to demo in stores and you would've just picked the iPhone anyway. Don't hate on Android because you were foolish enough to not do your homework and choose a Samsung device, expecting it to run smoothly after a year or so. Obviously you've done your homework since then, so at least you learned something.

The Nexus may not be an option for corporate environments. Usually, the only options are whatever phones are offered by the carrier.

 

[bhayes444]

The Nexus may not be an option for corporate environments. Usually, the only options are whatever phones are offered by the carrier.

True. Also, Samsung likes to advertise their enterprise security features. Still doesn't gloss over the fact that their software is crap. Just the way the business world treats such matters, and the fact that they probably have the largest marketing budget of any Android OEM. So, people are so familiar with the brand.

 

[cynics]

So if I had a Nexus 5 (released approximately the same time as the iPhone 5S) should I be happy or sad its not officially getting Android 7 Nougat?

This discussion is all over the place. I guess I should be happy it won't slow down oh wait...sad because it won't get exclusive Nougat features...no happy...ahhh *head explodes*