Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce

[rui no onna]

I have Windows 10 on a 2008 Compaq and a 2009 Acer, both fairly low spec machines and it runs as well as, if not better than 10.11 does on machines with 5400RPM HDDs. Most Core 2 Duo machines run very well with SSDs, both Macs and Windows Pcs.

+1. It's amazing how much of a difference a good SSD makes. Unless one does CPU intensive work (3D, video encoding, etc), I reckon a lot of users' issue with speed can be fixed by replacing the HDD (be it 5400 or 15K RPM) with a decent SSD.

Heck, current Atoms barely match Core 2 performance (albeit the Atoms are significantly more power efficient).

 

[Shirasaki]

A possible solution to fight against so-called planned obsolescence, is to vote using wallet. All goes against Apple and refuse to buy their new products. Instead, ask for more features in current hardware.
But it is impossible because not enough Apple users would really go against Apple without hesitation.

 

[Qbnkelt]

A possible solution to fight against so-called planned obsolescence, is to vote using wallet. All goes against Apple and refuse to buy their new products. Instead, ask for more features in current hardware.
But it is impossible because not enough Apple users would really go against Apple without hesitation.

Not necessarily. I've changed platforms before because the one I'd been using ceased to work for me. If an iPhone did not work for me anymore, I could always get an iPod Touch and forget about using iPhones.

 

[S.B.G]

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[S.B.G]

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Thread re-opened.

Please folks, they're just phones/tablets. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and preferences on them, and we ask that you stay civil and respectful while discussing them.

 

[rui no onna]

But Apple has done the latter.Why does the iPad have the old version of TouchID?Why does the iPad not have 3D Touch conveniently?Why is the iPad stuck on the outdated chamfered edges design which iPhone dropped years ago?

Here's a thought, could be these are all just part of cost cutting measures in order to increase profit margins? Not in a "planned obsolescence/this will make people upgrade sooner"-way but in a "this extra hardware will cost $10/device so with 20 million devices sold, that's $200M savings and 99% of our customers aren't gonna care"-way.

Apple cannot force people to buy their products. What they can do is make products that people want to buy and have a darned good marketing department to entice consumers to buy or upgrade. The folks at MacForums are not the norm. While most here are probably easily swayed to purchase bright, shiny, new tech (and have the disposable income to do so), that's not necessarily true of majority of the population.

Just the other day, I was in the hospital and some of the nurses (who likely make $100K/year so sufficient disposable income) were talking about possibly upgrading from an iPhone 5 and 4S. One commented (dunno which one) that they probably won't upgrade as their device still works well.

My mom's only complaint with her iPad 3 (on iOS 6) was her banking apps don't work anymore. I tested iOS 8 on my backup iPad 3 and decided not to update hers due to the keyboard lag issue. She probably would have been okay with iOS 9 performance but I decided that after 3-4 years on the iPad 3, I might as well get her a new one. I expect her new iPad Pro 9.7 will last her even longer. If I'd left the decision to my mom though, she would've just saved the $880+tax (LTE 128GB) and kept using her iPad 3 (updated to iOS 9).

I also had a co-worker who was asking for advice on buying iPads for his kids around 4 years ago (when the iPad 4 was first released). I recommended he could save some money by buying Apple certified refurb iPad 3s for $350 each ($700) instead of $500 each ($1000) for the iPad 4. Fast forward to last year, he bought his kids a couple of Bay Trail-based netbooks for $200 each. Kids complained that the netbooks were slower than their iPads so he ended up returning the netbooks.

Honestly, I reckon planned obsolescence is mostly the purview or tech blogs and enthusiast forums. I doubt the average consumer even thinks of it.

 

[Radon87000]

Just noticed this.Cool read



https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/29/iphone-6-touch-disease-class-action-lawsuit/

Apple Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Unresponsive iPhone 6 Touchscreens

The complaint specifically claims that Apple's failure to incorporate a "metal shield" or "underfill" over the logic board, as it did with the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c respectively, makes the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus "substantially less durable to foreseeable and reasonable use by consumers and ultimately causes the touchscreen defect."

http://bgr.com/2016/08/23/iphone-6-touchid-not-working-failure-repair-apple/

A suspicious number of iPhones are breaking right before an iPhone launch

Planned obsolescence is one of those quasi-conspiracy theories that sits right alongside the breakfast-industrial complex as making you a weird dinner party guest. But it’s true that modern electronics have a shelf life, and a bunch of year-old iPhones spontaneously dying right before the launch of the iPhone 7 is particularly bad timing.

Apple stores are turning away customers with the problem since they’re out of warranty. That said, it’s a recognized problem, so if enough people complain, there’s a chance that Apple will have to take action. That’s what happened with 2011 Macbooks, which started suffering from video glitches and unexpected restarts. Apple eventually created an extended repair programme, which fixed the problem on eligible Macbooks for free.



http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/ele.../a40110/iphone-screens-mysteriously-breaking/

The question floating around the Internet is whether this is a real bug or "planned obsolescence" by Apple to get people to purchase a newer smartphone. (The iPhone 7's announcement should be sometime the first week of September, with a late Septemberrelease.) Some repair specialists have described the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus as "ticking time bombs," and speculate that soon everyone with those models will experience it and have to upgrade.


http://mashable.com/2016/08/24/apple-iphone-6-plus-touchscreen-defect/#KbUFgqYoxuqQ

But but wasnt design NOT a part of planned obsolescence according to some members here?

"A hardware defect is causing certain iPhone touchscreens to malfunction and become unusable. Is it a design flaw or planned obsolescence?

The issue, dubbed "Touch Disease," affects iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus models, according to Jessa Jones, a repair specialist from iPad Rehab. On the surface level, affected iPhones show a flickering gray bar at the top of the screen and unresponsive touchscreens."


http://sfist.com/2016/08/24/many_iphone_6_owners_complaining_of.php


"So, thus, the not-very-far-fetched conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence with Apple products holds true once more."

The funny thing is that refurbs which they will probably offer a replacement have the same problem LOL

Here's a thought, could be these are all just part of cost cutting measures in order to increase profit margins? Not in a "planned obsolescence/this will make people upgrade sooner"-way but in a "this extra hardware will cost $10/device so with 20 million devices sold, that's $200M savings and 99% of our customers aren't gonna care"-way.

Apple cannot force people to buy their products. What they can do is make products that people want to buy and have a darned good marketing department to entice consumers to buy or upgrade. The folks at MacForums are not the norm. While most here are probably easily swayed to purchase bright, shiny, new tech (and have the disposable income to do so), that's not necessarily true of majority of the population.

Just the other day, I was in the hospital and some of the nurses (who likely make $100K/year so sufficient disposable income) were talking about possibly upgrading from an iPhone 5 and 4S. One commented (dunno which one) that they probably won't upgrade as their device still works well.

My mom's only complaint with her iPad 3 (on iOS 6) was her banking apps don't work anymore. I tested iOS 8 on my backup iPad 3 and decided not to update hers due to the keyboard lag issue. She probably would have been okay with iOS 9 performance but I decided that after 3-4 years on the iPad 3, I might as well get her a new one. I expect her new iPad Pro 9.7 will last her even longer. If I'd left the decision to my mom though, she would've just saved the $880+tax (LTE 128GB) and kept using her iPad 3 (updated to iOS 9).

I also had a co-worker who was asking for advice on buying iPads for his kids around 4 years ago (when the iPad 4 was first released). I recommended he could save some money by buying Apple certified refurb iPad 3s for $350 each ($700) instead of $500 each ($1000) for the iPad 4. Fast forward to last year, he bought his kids a couple of Bay Trail-based netbooks for $200 each. Kids complained that the netbooks were slower than their iPads so he ended up returning the netbooks.

Honestly, I reckon planned obsolescence is mostly the purview or tech blogs and enthusiast forums. I doubt the average consumer even thinks of it.

Saving costs is a part of the decision.Take that atrocious 8GB iPhone 5c for example.How much would a 16GB NAND have costed Apple?Cost must be relative to cents for a company like Apple yet they forced users of these phones to resort to a very unpleasant experience of a 5gb phone to force them to buy a larger stoarage variant one next time.2-3 Videos,2 games,a couple of apps and some music and the 16GB variant is filled.8 I dont even wanna know how those 8GB users actually use their phones.Dont even get me started on how aggressive Safari caches the website memory adding to the storage and I have to resort to that lame "Rent a Lord of The Rings 6 gig movie" button trick to free space.

All of this done to upsell the 64 gig model.Even if people still buy the 16 gig one,they will upgrade to 64 the next time around.They purposely didnt make a 32 gig variant as very few would buy the 64 one in that case.

I can understand some amount of software slowdown.But I definitely cannot understand a 5 second input lag,5 seconds to view settings.No browsing with more than 2 tabs.Seriously?My laptop from 2008 could do better.

Some people dont notice the slowdown or care for it.My dad doesnt notice a difference between the Retina display and a non retina one (lol) nor does he care about speed..With majority of the population like this,Apple can resort to planned obsolsecence without worrying about backlash

 

[Pelea]

1gb ram iphone 6

yes planned obsolescence is real

 

[I7guy]

Just noticed this.Cool read



https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/29/iphone-6-touch-disease-class-action-lawsuit/

Apple Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Unresponsive iPhone 6 Touchscreens

The complaint specifically claims that Apple's failure to incorporate a "metal shield" or "underfill" over the logic board, as it did with the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c respectively, makes the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus "substantially less durable to foreseeable and reasonable use by consumers and ultimately causes the touchscreen defect."

http://bgr.com/2016/08/23/iphone-6-touchid-not-working-failure-repair-apple/

A suspicious number of iPhones are breaking right before an iPhone launch

Planned obsolescence is one of those quasi-conspiracy theories that sits right alongside the breakfast-industrial complex as making you a weird dinner party guest. But it’s true that modern electronics have a shelf life, and a bunch of year-old iPhones spontaneously dying right before the launch of the iPhone 7 is particularly bad timing.

Apple stores are turning away customers with the problem since they’re out of warranty. That said, it’s a recognized problem, so if enough people complain, there’s a chance that Apple will have to take action. That’s what happened with 2011 Macbooks, which started suffering from video glitches and unexpected restarts. Apple eventually created an extended repair programme, which fixed the problem on eligible Macbooks for free.



http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/ele.../a40110/iphone-screens-mysteriously-breaking/

The question floating around the Internet is whether this is a real bug or "planned obsolescence" by Apple to get people to purchase a newer smartphone. (The iPhone 7's announcement should be sometime the first week of September, with a late Septemberrelease.) Some repair specialists have described the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus as "ticking time bombs," and speculate that soon everyone with those models will experience it and have to upgrade.


http://mashable.com/2016/08/24/apple-iphone-6-plus-touchscreen-defect/#KbUFgqYoxuqQ

But but wasnt design NOT a part of planned obsolescence according to some members here?

"A hardware defect is causing certain iPhone touchscreens to malfunction and become unusable. Is it a design flaw or planned obsolescence?

The issue, dubbed "Touch Disease," affects iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus models, according to Jessa Jones, a repair specialist from iPad Rehab. On the surface level, affected iPhones show a flickering gray bar at the top of the screen and unresponsive touchscreens."


http://sfist.com/2016/08/24/many_iphone_6_owners_complaining_of.php


"So, thus, the not-very-far-fetched conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence with Apple products holds true once more."

The funny thing is that refurbs which they will probably offer a replacement have the same problem LOL




Saving costs is a part of the decision.Take that atrocious 8GB iPhone 5c for example.How much would a 16GB NAND have costed Apple?Cost must be relative to cents for a company like Apple yet they forced users of these phones to resort to a very unpleasant experience of a 5gb phone to force them to buy a larger stoarage variant one next time.2-3 Videos,2 games,a couple of apps and some music and the 16GB variant is filled.8 I dont even wanna know how those 8GB users actually use their phones.Dont even get me started on how aggressive Safari caches the website memory adding to the storage and I have to resort to that lame "Rent a Lord of The Rings 6 gig movie" button trick to free space.

All of this done to upsell the 64 gig model.Even if people still buy the 16 gig one,they will upgrade to 64 the next time around.They purposely didnt make a 32 gig variant as very few would buy the 64 one in that case.

I can understand some amount of software slowdown.But I definitely cannot understand a 5 second input lag,5 seconds to view settings.No browsing with more than 2 tabs.Seriously?My laptop from 2008 could do better.

Some people dont notice the slowdown or care for it.My dad doesnt notice a difference between the Retina display and a non retina one (lol) nor does he care about speed..With majority of the population like this,Apple can resort to planned obsolsecence without worrying about backlash

Inevitable obsolescence is a fact of life with consumer goods. You do know that Audi had several suits related to acceleration and so did Toyota. Top tier manufactures do have product issues, eg Samsung waterproof phones that really weren't. Apple will deal with it as such.

As far as the rest it's called choice. The same reason that Toyota offers cars without leather and smaller engines for $17k and then offers a Lexus is350 with bells and whistles for $44k. so by your reasoning the less expensive Toyota is proof positive of the strategy of planned obsolescence because it can't perform to the same levels as the is350. Some ironclad reasoning there.

 

[kd5jos]

Apple: crippleware
Android: abandonware

You don't understand the term cripple.

No, the phone is not being forced by Apple to do less than it is capable of. The OS and software have moved on in capability, and the hardware can't keep up. That does not mean crippled.

Crippleware would be Apple disabling functionality, which is outright ludicrous considering they have a vested economic interest in your old phone satisfying you as long as possible:

1) How do you get software for your phone?

A: Apple store.

Are you going to buy software for a device that doesn't work?

2) Where do a portion of new phone sales come from?

A: Old phone owners.

Are you going to invest in a device that you know Apple "cripples?" I know I wouldn't.

Make sense now?

 

[Radon87000]

Inevitable obsolescence is a fact of life with consumer goods. You do know that Audi had several suits related to acceleration and so did Toyota. Top tier manufactures do have product issues, eg Samsung waterproof phones that really weren't. Apple will deal with it as such.

At least those cars didnt have a "time bomb" programmed inside them so that the car stops functioning as the new one comes out

@bold Never heard of this.Proof?

I am happy that the fact that Apple had the nerve to save cost by not attaching the metal shield came back to bite them in the ass later on.Its time someone called out their BS

As far as the rest it's called choice. The same reason that Toyota offers cars without leather and smaller engines for $17k and then offers a Lexus is350 with bells and whistles for $44k. so by your reasoning the less expensive Toyota is proof positive of the strategy of planned obsolescence because it can't perform to the same levels as the is350. Some ironclad reasoning there.

Wait are you insinuating the 5C is low end?That thing costed almost as much as HTC's flagship when it released and the latter had tons of storage by comparison.
Filling a lower segment in the product line does not imply you hamstring the product with ABSOLUTE low storage.

 

[C DM]

Just noticed this.Cool read



https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/29/iphone-6-touch-disease-class-action-lawsuit/

Apple Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Unresponsive iPhone 6 Touchscreens

The complaint specifically claims that Apple's failure to incorporate a "metal shield" or "underfill" over the logic board, as it did with the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c respectively, makes the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus "substantially less durable to foreseeable and reasonable use by consumers and ultimately causes the touchscreen defect."

http://bgr.com/2016/08/23/iphone-6-touchid-not-working-failure-repair-apple/

A suspicious number of iPhones are breaking right before an iPhone launch

Planned obsolescence is one of those quasi-conspiracy theories that sits right alongside the breakfast-industrial complex as making you a weird dinner party guest. But it’s true that modern electronics have a shelf life, and a bunch of year-old iPhones spontaneously dying right before the launch of the iPhone 7 is particularly bad timing.

Apple stores are turning away customers with the problem since they’re out of warranty. That said, it’s a recognized problem, so if enough people complain, there’s a chance that Apple will have to take action. That’s what happened with 2011 Macbooks, which started suffering from video glitches and unexpected restarts. Apple eventually created an extended repair programme, which fixed the problem on eligible Macbooks for free.



http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/ele.../a40110/iphone-screens-mysteriously-breaking/

The question floating around the Internet is whether this is a real bug or "planned obsolescence" by Apple to get people to purchase a newer smartphone. (The iPhone 7's announcement should be sometime the first week of September, with a late Septemberrelease.) Some repair specialists have described the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus as "ticking time bombs," and speculate that soon everyone with those models will experience it and have to upgrade.


http://mashable.com/2016/08/24/apple-iphone-6-plus-touchscreen-defect/#KbUFgqYoxuqQ

But but wasnt design NOT a part of planned obsolescence according to some members here?

"A hardware defect is causing certain iPhone touchscreens to malfunction and become unusable. Is it a design flaw or planned obsolescence?

The issue, dubbed "Touch Disease," affects iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus models, according to Jessa Jones, a repair specialist from iPad Rehab. On the surface level, affected iPhones show a flickering gray bar at the top of the screen and unresponsive touchscreens."


http://sfist.com/2016/08/24/many_iphone_6_owners_complaining_of.php


"So, thus, the not-very-far-fetched conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence with Apple products holds true once more."

The funny thing is that refurbs which they will probably offer a replacement have the same problem LOL




Saving costs is a part of the decision.Take that atrocious 8GB iPhone 5c for example.How much would a 16GB NAND have costed Apple?Cost must be relative to cents for a company like Apple yet they forced users of these phones to resort to a very unpleasant experience of a 5gb phone to force them to buy a larger stoarage variant one next time.2-3 Videos,2 games,a couple of apps and some music and the 16GB variant is filled.8 I dont even wanna know how those 8GB users actually use their phones.Dont even get me started on how aggressive Safari caches the website memory adding to the storage and I have to resort to that lame "Rent a Lord of The Rings 6 gig movie" button trick to free space.

All of this done to upsell the 64 gig model.Even if people still buy the 16 gig one,they will upgrade to 64 the next time around.They purposely didnt make a 32 gig variant as very few would buy the 64 one in that case.

I can understand some amount of software slowdown.But I definitely cannot understand a 5 second input lag,5 seconds to view settings.No browsing with more than 2 tabs.Seriously?My laptop from 2008 could do better.

Some people dont notice the slowdown or care for it.My dad doesnt notice a difference between the Retina display and a non retina one (lol) nor does he care about speed..With majority of the population like this,Apple can resort to planned obsolsecence without worrying about backlash

And the very basics of logic are ignored once again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

 

[cube]

You don't understand the term cripple.

I do understand because I bought the top iPad 1 with 256MiB RAM for about 1K.

 

[C DM]

I do understand because I bought the top iPad 1 with 256MiB RAM for about 1K.

And...it worked fine?

 

[cube]

And...it worked fine?

It was abandoned by Apple under an unreasonably short time because they skimped on the RAM.

 

[C DM]

It was abandoned by Apple under an unreasonably short time because they skimped on the RAM.

So...planned obsolescence is Apple releasing updates to the point of crippling an older device. Or...planned obsolescence is Apple not releasing enough updates so that an older device can still function fine. Planned obsolescence must be this magical thing that does opposite things.

 

[cube]

So...planned obsolescence is Apple releasing updates to the point of crippling an older device. Or...planned obsolescence is Apple not releasing enough updates so that an older device can still function fine. Planned obsolescence must be this magical thing that does opposite things.

Planned obsolescence is releasing hardware with a ridiculously small amount of memory.

 

[Radon87000]

So...planned obsolescence is Apple releasing updates to the point of crippling an older device. Or...planned obsolescence is Apple not releasing enough updates so that an older device can still function fine. Planned obsolescence must be this magical thing that does opposite things.

Let me fix it for you : Planned Obsolescence is releasing updates to the point of making the device implode AND also NOT releasing updates at the same time.The correct way to get out of this Catch22 is to release updates constantly with ability to downgrade like on Google Nexus

 

[I7guy]

At least those cars didnt have a "time bomb" programmed inside them so that the car stops functioning as the new one comes out

@bold Never heard of this.Proof?

I am happy that the fact that Apple had the nerve to save cost by not attaching the metal shield came back to bite them in the ass later on.Its time someone called out their BS



Wait are you insinuating the 5C is low end?That thing costed almost as much as HTC's flagship when it released and the latter had tons of storage by comparison.
Filling a lower segment in the product line does not imply you hamstring the product with ABSOLUTE low storage.

Well enough people post on the Internet that cars do have a termination date so it must be true. As far as proof of the Galaxy 7 you can do a web search, it was widely reported on mr so I'm not bothering to dig up links. As far as the remainder of your post, reality may be a bit different than all of that.

I do understand because I bought the top iPad 1 with 256MiB RAM for about 1K.

So in 2009/2010, what were your choices?
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Let me fix it for you : Planned Obsolescence is releasing updates to the point of making the device implode AND also NOT releasing updates at the same time.The correct way to get out of this Catch22 is to release updates constantly with ability to downgrade like on Google Nexus

Thankfully Apple doesn't engage in that behavior. It provides full product support for 5 years while still enhancing the performance of future iOS releases.

 

[C DM]

Let me fix it for you : Planned Obsolescence is releasing updates to the point of making the device implode AND also NOT releasing updates at the same time.The correct way to get out of this Catch22 is to release updates constantly with ability to downgrade like on Google Nexus

Right. It's up and it's down. It's left and it's right. It's right and it's wrong. It's good and it's bad. It's itself and the opposite of itself. It all makes perfect sense!

 

[ibookg409]

my iPhone 6 Plus has been a great phone for the last 2 years. But for the last month it has started to become very Buggy and having forced restarts.

Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce ?

My phone ran great on 9.3.3. 9.3.4 really jacked it up. I always wipe and start a new updates as a new phone. I am going to try 9.3.5 today. Maybe 10.o will be better, and I certainly hope it is since I have to keep this phone (same as yours) for another 2 years.

 

[rui no onna]

Saving costs is a part of the decision.Take that atrocious 8GB iPhone 5c for example.How much would a 16GB NAND have costed Apple?Cost must be relative to cents for a company like Apple yet they forced users of these phones to resort to a very unpleasant experience of a 5gb phone to force them to buy a larger stoarage variant one next time.2-3 Videos,2 games,a couple of apps and some music and the 16GB variant is filled.8 I dont even wanna know how those 8GB users actually use their phones.Dont even get me started on how aggressive Safari caches the website memory adding to the storage and I have to resort to that lame "Rent a Lord of The Rings 6 gig movie" button trick to free space.

All of this done to upsell the 64 gig model.Even if people still buy the 16 gig one,they will upgrade to 64 the next time around.They purposely didnt make a 32 gig variant as very few would buy the 64 one in that case.

Not really. It's usually price sensitive folks who buy the lowest capacity model. People who got the 8GB 5c probably did so because it was free on contract. It'll be hard to convince those folks to buy more storage at a $100 premium. They'd probably just find ways to make do with the low storage capacity (only keep a few apps, move photos/videos to computers frequently, only stream music and video, etc). As for how much it would have cost, at that time? Probably around $3-4/module extra with contract pricing.

I can understand some amount of software slowdown.But I definitely cannot understand a 5 second input lag,5 seconds to view settings.No browsing with more than 2 tabs.Seriously?My laptop from 2008 could do better.

My experience with the iPad 3 is it did this on iOS 8 but not anymore on iOS 9 so I'm chalking it up to a bug that was fixed. Apple needs better quality control on their software. Scratch that, practically every software developer whose products I've used need better QC. If you're still getting the issue on your iPad on iOS 9, then obviously, Apple needs to do better optimizing for older devices. On the other hand, one can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

 

[danckwerts]

I can't afford an iPhone but I do know that Macs last much longer than Windows machines. My mid-2007 iMac was happily running El Capitan until it blew up a couple of months ago. I doubt if you'd get any Windows machine of similar vintage to run Windows 8, let alone Windows 10. You might get it to install but it wouldn't actually run.

 

[rui no onna]

I can't afford an iPhone but I do know that Macs last much longer than Windows machines. My mid-2007 iMac was happily running El Capitan until it blew up a couple of months ago. I doubt if you'd get any Windows machine of similar vintage to run Windows 8, let alone Windows 10. You might get it to install but it wouldn't actually run.

In 2007, we already had Core 2 Duo. Current new Atom-based netbooks with Windows 10 pre-installed are just barely matching C2D performance (iirc, C2D still wins at single-threaded though) so I actually think they'd be capable of running the latest OS. A bigger bottleneck would probably be the HDD. With an SSD upgrade, I'd bet the 2007 PC with C2D will likely do better on Windows 10 than a lot of Atom-based netbooks.

That said, Windows 7 is receiving regular security updates and doesn't have all the snooping that's built into Windows 10. I'm happy to stay on 7 until MS withdraws support in 2020.

 

[5105973]

I don't think "Touch Disease" was an intentional part of planned obsolescence because many iPhones were failing from it well before the IPhone 7's leaks even started flowing. It's apparently been an ongoing problem that's just starting to gain media traction now.

From everything I've seen in my reading and from the very well informed comments of fellow forum members I believe it was just Apple being Apple and trying to keep costs and weight and possibly environmental impact down using an industry standard component design that just happened to pair badly with a thin bendy aluminum chassis subject to heavy use and constant stress.

They learned from that mistake and quietly redesigned the internals and used the new aluminum for the 6S Plus and 6S. Only time will tell if there's some other kind of ticking time bomb inside the 6S series but right now it looks like it won't be Touch Disease.

Now all of that does not mean that I absolve Apple from all suspicion of planned obsolescence. I just don't think they intentionally use poor engineering to do so. That was a blunder on their part. They do have a history of making them on first generation designs, but so do most other smart phone manufacturers. There is no torture test or R&D effort like real life in the real world, unfortunately.