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Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce

I7guy said:
Well enough people post on the Internet that cars do have a termination date so it must be true.
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Let me rephrase.Did the cars stop working exactly one week or so before the new model launched?

As far as the remainder of your post, reality may be a bit different than all of that.
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What I said IS the reality of it.Professional Repair specialists have taken a look at this issue and the conclusion is Apple deliberately skimped on the components to save cost and insert a expiration date in the product at the same time.No doubt refurbs will be offered as replacements but Apple's still covered because the refurbs also have the time bomb built in.Ingenious.Bravo Timmy.Your "innovative" ways to increase sales never cease to amaze me
Jobs would have thrown a fit had he seen this
Thankfully Apple doesn't engage in that behavior.:cool: It provides full product support for 5 years while still enhancing the performance of future iOS releases.
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C DM said:
Right. It's up and it's down. It's left and it's right. It's right and it's wrong. It's good and it's bad. It's itself and the opposite of itself. It all makes perfect sense!
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So what's better?5 years updates with ability to downgrade ot 5 year updates with no ability to downgrade?
 
My first post, so forgive me. Over the years I have come to trust my iPhone as a solid reliable device. I am eagerly awaiting the iPhone 7 release since I am desperate to get rid of my iPhone 6. Not because it is old and buggy, but because I have not exactly treated it properly. I used the 2.1a charger instead of the 1a, which has killed the battery, it has been slammed down and possibly thrown from time to time, and while the phone looks good, the wifi isnt reliable and in general, the device is almost dead.

I have a spare phone which I am using more to get me through, a Samsung S5, its just not the same. It feels cheaper in the hand, it is generally slow and I must say, despite my current iPhone giving me issues, I would never consider changing to anything else.

So Ill be getting the 7 at launch, cannot wait.
 
Radon87000 said:
Let me rephrase.Did the cars stop working exactly one week or so before the new model launched?


What I said IS the reality of it.Professional Repair specialists have taken a look at this issue and the conclusion is Apple deliberately skimped on the components to save cost and insert a expiration date in the product at the same time.No doubt refurbs will be offered as replacements but Apple's still covered because the refurbs also have the time bomb built in.Ingenious.Bravo Timmy.Your "innovative" ways to increase sales never cease to amaze me
Jobs would have thrown a fit had he seen this



So what's better?5 years updates with ability to downgrade ot 5 year updates with no ability to downgrade?
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My car died before the warranty expired, so yeah. Proving somebody did something to purposely save a buck is your basic definition of hyperbole unless your the judge and jury. Jobs could have sunk the company in 2016 because no iPhone 6, no Apple Watch, no Mac upgrades.
 
Radon87000 said:
Let me rephrase.Did the cars stop working exactly one week or so before the new model launched?
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Jumping in mid conversation but I will say this.
Back in the 80s, General Motors was accused of planned obsolesce, the quality was such that they tried to bring a mentality of replace the cars every few years. The problem for them, was the Japanese car makers provided a less expensive higher quality product and people went over to those cars and GM started to suffer.
 
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GM's still fairly crap now. Comparing phones to cars is a stretch, IMO. Cars don't (except for the Tesla) receive OTA updates and you're not taking your car in each month to get its ECU and NAVI System updated. Consumers want faster, lighter and slimmer products. It's difficult to provide a DIY-able product while keeping to consumer whims and not falter on product usability after a few years.

The way I've always seen it is a cell phone, laptop, tablet, etc. is unlike a desktop computer that you have access to components within. As web or game tech advances, your device isn't new. We see this with operating systems and games. So why do people have this strong, but often valid belief that Apple is forcefully getting people to upgrade by doing something dirty behind the scenes? I see the same issue with rooted flagship Android phones. Older devices simply can't compete with newer ones running stock Android.
 
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-lawsuit-touchscreens-idUSKCN1141OJ?

Apologies if that has been posted already but some people are doing something about it.

I suppose the issue is proving malicious intent by not including protective parts that existed in previous iPhones. Apple could easily say it was a conscious decision yielding some other benefit. I'd say if the issue could be foreseen you may have a case. And that is the crux of the matter, being able to prove whether or not this was intentional. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
maflynn said:
Jumping in mid conversation but I will say this.
Back in the 80s, General Motors was accused of planned obsolesce, the quality was such that they tried to bring a mentality of replace the cars every few years. The problem for them, was the Japanese car makers provided a less expensive higher quality product and people went over to those cars and GM started to suffer.
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And this is exactly whats going on in the smartphone market
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I7guy said:
My car died before the warranty expired, so yeah. Proving somebody did something to purposely save a buck is your basic definition of hyperbole unless your the judge and jury. Jobs could have sunk the company in 2016 because no iPhone 6, no Apple Watch, no Mac upgrades.
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You deflected the question again.Did your car die a week before the new one came out whilst at the same time all he models in your neighbourhood failed at the same time?

altobobcat said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-lawsuit-touchscreens-idUSKCN1141OJ?

Apologies if that has been posted already but some people are doing something about it.

I suppose the issue is proving malicious intent by not including protective parts that existed in previous iPhones. Apple could easily say it was a conscious decision yielding some other benefit. I'd say if the issue could be foreseen you may have a case. And that is the crux of the matter, being able to prove whether or not this was intentional. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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If its proven,we have officially proved planned obsolescence exists in court of law.I somehow doubt it though.Apple has a battalion of expert lawayers at their fingertips and they will weasel their way out through intrpretation of some legal jargons

But anyone who doesnt have their head in the sand knows what this means.Apple probably works 2 models ahead of the iPhone thats about to launch.They no doubt planned the iPhone 2017 when the iPhone 6 launched and they know that the 6 owners dont have much incentive to upgrade apart from 3D Touch so they threw in a time bomb which destroyed the product just in time for the new one to come out.

They didnt resort to this dirty trick in the 5s and the 5 which had that metal shield because they knew droves of people would upgrade to the larger variant
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altobobcat said:
s. Apple could easily say it was a conscious decision yielding some other benefit.
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Doesnt the 6S have that metal shield?That argument is void there itself.NO need for any sabotage there as everyone and their neighbor is probably gonna upgrade to the iPhone 8.OLED,Edge display,Removal of home button,Pure all glass design.Who WOULDNT upgrade?
 
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Radon87000 said:
And this is exactly whats going on in the smartphone market
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I will say that Apple has moved to the mentality of replace rather then repair (or upgrade). I mean that from a macro perspective. Drilling into the micro,i.e., the iPhone products I don't have any information or perspective that Apple has purposely lowered quality to force consumers to buy a newer phone.
 
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Radon87000 said:
And this is exactly whats going on in the smartphone market
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You deflected the question again.Did your car die a week before the new one came out whilst at the same time all he models in your neighbourhood failed at the same time?



If its proven,we have officially proved planned obsolescence exists in court of law.I somehow doubt it though.Apple has a battalion of expert lawayers at their fingertips and they will weasel their way out through intrpretation of some legal jargons

But anyone who doesnt have their head in the sand knows what this means.Apple probably works 2 models ahead of the iPhone thats about to launch.They no doubt planned the iPhone 2017 when the iPhone 6 launched and they know that the 6 owners dont have much incentive to upgrade apart from 3D Touch so they threw in a time bomb which destroyed the product just in time for the new one to come out.

They didnt resort to this dirty trick in the 5s and the 5 which had that metal shield because they knew droves of people would upgrade to the larger variant
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Doesnt the 6S have that metal shield?That argument is void there itself.NO need for any sabotage there as everyone and their neighbor is probably gonna upgrade to the iPhone 8.OLED,Edge display,Removal of home button,Pure all glass design.Who WOULDNT upgrade?
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Nothing is proven. Just repeating the same things doesn't prove them or make them factual.
 
I honestly didn't expect this Fred to get this big. It's interesting to see people on both sides of the fence, and no clear answer .
 
Radon87000 said:
And this is exactly whats going on in the smartphone market
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You deflected the question again.Did your car die a week before the new one came out whilst at the same time all he models in your neighbourhood failed at the same time?



If its proven,we have officially proved planned obsolescence exists in court of law.I somehow doubt it though.Apple has a battalion of expert lawayers at their fingertips and they will weasel their way out through intrpretation of some legal jargons

But anyone who doesnt have their head in the sand knows what this means.Apple probably works 2 models ahead of the iPhone thats about to launch.They no doubt planned the iPhone 2017 when the iPhone 6 launched and they know that the 6 owners dont have much incentive to upgrade apart from 3D Touch so they threw in a time bomb which destroyed the product just in time for the new one to come out.

They didnt resort to this dirty trick in the 5s and the 5 which had that metal shield because they knew droves of people would upgrade to the larger variant
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Doesnt the 6S have that metal shield?That argument is void there itself.NO need for any sabotage there as everyone and their neighbor is probably gonna upgrade to the iPhone 8.OLED,Edge display,Removal of home button,Pure all glass design.Who WOULDNT upgrade?
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Actually yes, next question.
 
iClone said:
I honestly didn't expect this Fred to get this big. It's interesting to see people on both sides of the fence, and no clear answer .
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You're new here aren't you :p

Yes, these types of topics certainly can generate a lot of debate, even heated at times
 
If you do not upgrade your iOS, you will have the same speedy device that you purchase, but some "App" developers will not support the earlier iOS. The way around that is look at their direct competitors and just access the site through the web browser.

I been very happy with my decision not to update!
 
HarryWild said:
If you do not upgrade your iOS, you will have the same speedy device that you purchase, but some "App" developers will not support the earlier iOS. The way around that is look at their direct competitors and just access the site through the web browser.

I been very happy with my decision not to update!
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If you read some earlier replies you will see that staying on an older iOS version is also ".planned obsolescence". Using newer versions is planned obsolescence and not using them is that as well, according to some it seems.
 
C DM said:
If you read some earlier replies you will see that staying on an older iOS version is also ".planned obsolescence". Using newer versions is planned obsolescence and not using them is that as well, according to some it seems.
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I said both are planned obsolescence BUT (as you seem to miss this word) Constant updates with ability to downgrade is not planned obsolscence as the user has a choice on whether to bite the bullet or not

Oh yeah and for those yelling fragmentation,the fact that the OS will become fragmented if the option is given proves Apple's planned obsolescence policy
 
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Radon87000 said:
I said both are planned obsolescence BUT (as you seem to miss this word) Constant updates with ability to downgrade is not planned obsolscence as the user has a choice on whether to bite the bullet or not

Oh yeah and for those yelling fragmentation,the fact that the OS will become fragmented if the option is given proves Apple's planned obsolescence policy
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Basically if Apple does something then it's a conspiracy, if Apple does the opposite of it it's also a cospiracy, and if Apple doesn't do anything it's still a conspiracy.
 
danckwerts said:
I can't afford an iPhone but I do know that Macs last much longer than Windows machines. My mid-2007 iMac was happily running El Capitan until it blew up a couple of months ago. I doubt if you'd get any Windows machine of similar vintage to run Windows 8, let alone Windows 10. You might get it to install but it wouldn't actually run.
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That is unequivocally FALSE.

Windows 10 can run on a Pentium 4 Prescott computer from 2004.

 
I won't quote anyone specifically because I am getting late into the discussion, but are people saying that these devices literally just stop working? I think that is what I am reading but it cannot be because, well, people are still able to use a ten year old iPhone if they so choose.
 
lordofthereef said:
I won't quote anyone specifically because I am getting late into the discussion, but are people saying that these devices literally just stop working? I think that is what I am reading but it cannot be because, well, people are still able to use a ten year old iPhone if they so choose.
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Yes. The "touch disease" would stop your phone from working.
 
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