Im sure Apple will cry.....
Noone cares, its your money and your choice to do what you want.
Crying on a forum wont accomplish much.
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Is there a physical reason that the original iPhone and iPod touch can't run 4.0?
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Im sure Apple will cry.....
Noone cares, its your money and your choice to do what you want.
Crying on a forum wont accomplish much.
Exactly.
When I got my 2G iphone when it was first out I didnt think 3 years later when Apple releases Iphone OS 4.0 that my device will do the things future devices would. Its nonsense.
They never promised me multitasking, video recording or Bluetooth keyboard support.
I'm not crying. I'm just trying to make a point. I guess I was wrong in thinking that this is a discussion forum. What was I thinking sharing my thoughts and ideas? Please, can I join the Apple lemmings?
The point, in case you somehow missed it, is that Apple doesn't give a flying F*** about it's customers anymore. It's not really an issue for them now, but people will generally get tired of the bad taste in their mouths when you keep shoving their faces in BS. It just tends to take people a while to notice.
P.S. Yes, the choice of lemmings was deliberate.
LOL at this thread.
Do some people think Apple will care if 1 or 2 of you don't buy an iPad now, or go to Android, just because your pre-historic phone won't be running the newest software.
Most phones NEVER get updated software. If each model of iPhone gets TWO upgrades before being dropped, that's damn good in my eyes. Do you know, that there are lots of iPhone owners out there, that never connect their phones to iTunes apart from to activate them, and don't even know/care that they can upgrade their software from 1?!?!? I know 3G owners on 2.
Buy a new phone or zip it.
Do some people think Apple will care if 1 or 2 of you don't buy an iPad now, or go to Android, just because your pre-historic phone won't be running the newest software.
Most phones NEVER get updated software. If each model of iPhone gets TWO upgrades before being dropped, that's damn good in my eyes. Do you know, that there are lots of iPhone owners out there, that never connect their phones to iTunes apart from to activate them, and don't even know/care that they can upgrade their software from 1?!?!? I know 3G owners on 2.
Buy a new phone or zip it.
i think to answer the question, theres no physical/technical limitation. however, the iphone 3g is still available to buy as a handset, they cannot drop support of a product that is still on the shelves, the 1st gen hasn't been available for nearly 2 years. even if you bought a 1st gen the day before the 3g came out you will be up for contract renewal this year since my understanding is that it was never available on PAYG. it disappeared when the 3g appeared, something the 3g did not do when the 3gs appeared, and i think we will see the same this summer. the 3g will disappear, the 3gs will become the cheap phone, and next year the 3g will not get os5 support. they are quite clearly starting a cycle.
... all the same complaints, therefore, that the iPhone 3G users WILL have about OS 4.0, since the computational capabilities of the original iPhone and of the iPhone 3G are identical.
Please, do not go around spreading FUD about technological explanations. Plain and simple: If the 3G gets a crippled version of the upgrade, then technologically, the original iPhone could have been able to run the same crippled version of the upgrade with similar computational performance.
In reality, it boils down to a business decision. Ultimately, though, it's probably the right business decision. Apple has very smart people making such decisions, and they wouldn't arbitrarily impose such limits without valid justification. It's just that the justification is definitely not technological in nature.
I know and am afraid this is going to happen with my 3g. I cant upgrade because I have to unlock the phone to make it work on T-mobile. Hopefully these come to a cheaper carrier. ATT is expensive!!!
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in my family we did.... but then again my mom JUST upgraded her phone that she's had for like 10 years. one of those old standard nokia's...
and between 16 (when I first got a phone) and 22 (when I got the iphone 3g) I believe I only had two types of cell phones. (I say types because the first type I had for about 4 years, but it didn't last 4 years if you know what I mean... got wet once, and just died once. but I kept the same crappy standard nokia)The iPhone 2G has been hacked to have MMS and has every feature the 3G has now except 3G speeds. I see no reason why the dev team won't hack the 4.0 firmware onto the phones.
Why is Apple dropping support? That is easy to see.
The iPhone has a 24 month life cycle. 2007 - 2009 and 2008 - 2010. Apple's official updates stop when the 24 month life cycle per their accounting is complete.
There is no physical reason it can't run the new OS, but we'll see what Apple does. If there is a big enough outcry then they'll probably relent.
Why is Apple dropping support? That is easy to see.
The iPhone has a 24 month life cycle. 2007 - 2009 and 2008 - 2010. Apple's official updates stop when the 24 month life cycle per their accounting is complete.
There is no physical reason it can't run the new OS, but we'll see what Apple does. If there is a big enough outcry then they'll probably relent.
the thing is, for those people who have had phones for years on end, how often did you receive software upgrades that did more than bug fixes? apples iphone OS upgrades are not just fixing bugs and tweaking little things, they are adding an entirely new layer of functionality. then theres the fact that these phones are being used in a completely different way to the phones you probably used to keep for years on end. its not just a phone/text/email device, it's a computer in your pocket, and like with computers, an OS has more and more demanding requirements as they add more and more features and eye candy.
like i said above, the 1st gen is clearly capable, but they have to leave it out at some point, 3 years from launch (or 2 years after its death) seems a good time to me, that way even if you bought one on the last day of its life cycle you're still safe (if you bought it and used it as apple intended... on and through each countries respective provider) because your contract will have expired and you can renew it for another subbed iphone. apple are not going to take in to consideration the people that bought it second hand or unlocked it to put it on another network.
in fact thinking about it, i'd be surprised if the 3g does lose support next year, but instead loses it in 2012, since that will mark 2 years since the end of its life cycle.
as a disclaimer, this is clearly guess work. i have no inside knowledge. it just makes sense to me because from what i understand the average contract length in Europe and the US is between 18 and 24 months, please correct me if i'm wrong about that.
like i said above, the 1st gen is clearly capable, but they have to leave it out at some point, 3 years from launch (or 2 years after its death) seems a good time to me, that way even if you bought one on the last day of its life cycle you're still safe (if you bought it and used it as apple intended... on and through each countries respective provider) because your contract will have expired and you can renew it for another subbed iphone. apple are not going to take in to consideration the people that bought it second hand or unlocked it to put it on another network.
in fact thinking about it, i'd be surprised if the 3g does lose support next year, but instead loses it in 2012, since that will mark 2 years since the end of its life cycle.
as a disclaimer, this is clearly guess work. i have no inside knowledge. it just makes sense to me because from what i understand the average contract length in Europe and the US is between 18 and 24 months, please correct me if i'm wrong about that.
I suggest that around the time OS 4.0 is released, the very first iPhone 3G customers will be reaching their 2-year anniversary, and Apple's deferred accounting for the revenue from those phones will be running out.
I predict that after 4.0, the iPhone 3G will only ever get bugfixes, but never any more actual new features.
true about the first 3g customers, but someone could still start a new 3g contract for 2 years right now if they chose to. the iphone 3g is still available.
i'm talking about 2 years after its life cycle, the 3g's life cycle has not ended yet.
A fair alternate interpretation.
On the other hand, I'm operating under the assumption that they are more concerned about GAAP rules concerning delivering new features to already-delivered units after all the revenue from the initial sale has already been recognized in their books.
i'm not really familiar with these rules (familiar enough to know its the reason ipod touch updates cost), but if someone bought a 3g right now apple would still be making revenue on in until april 2012, so surely they could still provide the update for free to those 3G's in July 2011.
the way i'm looking at it is that apple will not want to cut off people that are still tied to their device, and is not impossible for someone to be tied to a 3G until June 2012. i'm looking at it more from a PR perspective i guess. by July 2010 no one should be tied to a 1st gen phone anymore, unless of course there are contracts over 24 months somewhere, i'm not aware of these so there is a little assumption on my part here.
[edit] for the record, i'm not trying to justify this for myself. i upgraded to a 3GS in august, i'm just trying to work out what apples potential cycle could be for cutting off old hardware.
the way i'm looking at it is that apple will not want to cut off people that are still tied to their device, and is not impossible for someone to be tied to a 3G until June 2012. i'm looking at it more from a PR perspective i guess. by July 2010 no one should be tied to a 1st gen phone anymore, unless of course there are contracts over 24 months somewhere, i'm not aware of these so there is a little assumption on my part here.
[edit] for the record, i'm not trying to justify this for myself. i upgraded to a 3GS in august, i'm just trying to work out what apples potential cycle could be for cutting off old hardware.
Yeah you are correct. My bad.
I totally forgot that the 2G iPhone had the clock speed increased in an early update.
No reason. I think Apple just wants to retire the 2G. They've provided a reasonable support period.
But you aren't missing that much. There's no background applications on anything less than a 3GS. So, the 3G gets some bells and whistles, but no meat.
Its hardly an Apple-only problem anyway ... look at Android, some of the earlier devices which were comparable to original iPhone are stuck at 1.5 and 1.6 Android ... some new phones are still getting shipped with that old OS..
Windows Phone 7 has been restricted (most likely artificially) to only new phones released at the time and despite handsets like HTC HD2 coming out with pretty hot hardware are just not gonna get it.
Even WinMo 6.0 handsets were mostly denied 6.5 etc and are totally at the behest of carriers typically.
I can understand Apple only supporting Current - 1 or 2 generations of iPhone
To give credit to Apple they're one of the few companies that have carried original generation this far and i can perfectly understand iPhone OS 5.0 not being supported on 3G...
Hardware has to move on and the software would end up carrying legacy drivers and other code to maintain ... they'll want to grow functionality and eventually those limitations are going to start to impinge on operations such as boot partition sizes and RAM
Since original iPhone is now 3 years old and has had 3 complete OS versions against it I think its more than fair to drop it.... also since most/all people on original / 3G contracts are now due for renewal then it makes sense.
Windows Phone 7 has been restricted (most likely artificially) to only new phones released at the time and despite handsets like HTC HD2 coming out with pretty hot hardware are just not gonna get it.
Even WinMo 6.0 handsets were mostly denied 6.5 etc and are totally at the behest of carriers typically.
I can understand Apple only supporting Current - 1 or 2 generations of iPhone
To give credit to Apple they're one of the few companies that have carried original generation this far and i can perfectly understand iPhone OS 5.0 not being supported on 3G...
Hardware has to move on and the software would end up carrying legacy drivers and other code to maintain ... they'll want to grow functionality and eventually those limitations are going to start to impinge on operations such as boot partition sizes and RAM
Since original iPhone is now 3 years old and has had 3 complete OS versions against it I think its more than fair to drop it.... also since most/all people on original / 3G contracts are now due for renewal then it makes sense.
I said it before and I'll say it again. The 1st gen stutters alot in OS 3. OS 4 would have killed usability.
Then 1st Gen iPhone will always be one of a kind. The only iPhone made of Al, the only one that is fully hackable at any point in time. Sure will miss those good days.
Also 3 years worth of updates are a mighty feat for Apple. I just wish Apple would make OS 4 for the 1st Gen to fix more bugs that to add the features.
Then 1st Gen iPhone will always be one of a kind. The only iPhone made of Al, the only one that is fully hackable at any point in time. Sure will miss those good days.
Also 3 years worth of updates are a mighty feat for Apple. I just wish Apple would make OS 4 for the 1st Gen to fix more bugs that to add the features.