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I'm actually basing it on the "facts" of owning both the 2016 2.7 and 2015 2.8, and having done lots of testing, I am not in the dark about the 2015 having superior battery life. And since I bought both at the same time upgrading from a 2012, I have no bias to either machine or trying to justify my purchase.
If the price was the same, I'd keep the 2016 machine , it's a very nice machine, but in my case of £1000 difference , the 2016 is going back today and the 2015 maxed out unit stays.
I'm glad your machine is doing great, and from the posts I've seen you start, you really do love it.
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Balance mate. You also have to wade through the opposite, the lovers who worship apple products and also don't often own the machine they comment on. Please don't make it out it's the negative posters only that cause issue here.
Once you remove both extremes, yeah it's a very good machine for the average user. And like the 2012 which I own comes with a design tax, so prices are higher
When CR did their testing, they found poor battery life with Safari and great consistent battery life with Chrome.
Seeing that people there and here are getting different results, it's very likely that was have a software issue to be resolved.
Plenty of people here are doing fine with battery life and I'm running intensive software.
And again, I read the good and the bad. The critics always sound less educated and usually from non-owners who haven't even touched one and admit it. The users, many of them professionals, sound pretty well studied by comparison.
Now you say you ran tests. What tests? BTW, my friend is running Final Cut Pro on his 15's and getting over 6 hours, exactly the same as 2014 model. If it turns out to be a bit less, he won't care because he's got a brighter screen in the deal.
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Owww dear, you just generalised the user base , on the ownership of the MacBook Pro, Non owner = less educated , owner = educated professional.
Come on, are you serious? This is why your threads get shut down all the time. Try treating everyone here as the same, regardless of tool, and your conversations will go a long way. Objectivity is a trait displayed usually by people with higher intellect.
A mod should delete your comment and my reply, poor form!
Let's have a civilised conversation one time.
People usually are only positive if they have the machine for themselves. It's much easier to get a negative reaction from people than it is to get a positive reaction from people from the jump....even for self proclaimed Apple fans for XXX number of years. So the balance is already skewed negatively.
Completely agree. There is bias both ways, if you own one, you justify your purchase , if you don't, you justify why you did it purchase it .
If the price has not gone up globally, I think there would be less negativity. Like I said , my decision was based on £££. I think the 2016 is a better machine, just not £1000 better. Couple hundred pounds and the 2015 would be being returned today.
I prefer to not tell stories and back up what I say...
31.2% with over 3 hours remaining. I've tested this thing at all different brightness and with programs running and feeding a 27" 4K@60.
No appreciable difference from other machines beyond the champ, my MacBook Air. But heavy usage can bring time down FAST...just like my other machines.
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31.2% with over 3 hours remaining. I've tested this thing at all different brightness and with programs running and feeding a 27" 4K@60.
No appreciable difference from other machines beyond the champ, my MacBook Air. But heavy usage can bring time down FAST...just like my other machines.
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See I was going from a MacBook to a MacBook Pro. So our needs are different. However, I agree the price could've been cheaper but when I did the math the 2016 MBP is comparably priced with the 2012 MBP. In terms of real dollars, it's actually cheaper than the 2012 MBP and the 2012 MBP got less of an upgrade.
Good lord! Don't do the math thing because it drives cheaper folk nuts! LOL
Realistically...The MacBook Air and MacBook with all options are within 300 bucks of the 13" tMBP, which trounces both machines handily. I mean, for a bit more cash the tMBP is a STEAL.
We've gotten a huge leap in upgrades for a few pennies.
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I did that also, the 2012 was a big price hike. The 2012 though in my opinion really wow'd people with the slim design and retina screen, I would argue it was much more of a wow product than the 2016, as the 12 MacBook stole the thunder and the 2016 is based on that.
Myself being an owner of the 2012, I'm happy to sit out a first generation product this time. I'm also in the unfortunate situation of always buying the top spec, and £4000+ is a crazy amount this time round.
For anyone owning the new machine , enjoy , great machines. My favourite product this year is the AirPods , I don't bother defending them, said my piece and now enjoy em
Unless you have specific reasons for switching to a Mac (e.g. iOS development), I would advise against such a switch. Particularly now, it's a bad time to switch to Apple. The desktop Mac line is nearly obsolete and terrible value for money, the workstation Mac is discontinued and no value for money, the laptops offer nothing interesting for a lot more money than the competition where 2-in-1, touchscreen devices are becoming the norm.
The one place where Apple enjoyed an advantage over the competition, which was single-thread iPhone CPU speed and camera performance, is seriously eroded since now even mid-range off-the-shelf Qualcomm chips are fast enough and good cameras are nearly ubiquitous.
This is no time to move to Apple products, unless you over-value status signaling and don't mind being ripped off.
Remember that Apple products are designed to make them hard to interoperate with anything non-Apple, they force vendor lock-in whenever possible, and favour (or downright allow only) use scenarios resulting in you paying Apple more money. It is also possible in the near future that only Apple-approved applications will be usable on a Mac, which might mean that your favourite applications might no longer be available or, if they were free before, cost money.
Many thanks for all the opinions, guys. This is very interesting. Looking in from the outside, I figured Mac users were always delusionally happy, but apparently not. Kinda healthy, I think.
A couple of clarifications:
I'm not an engineer. I have a degree in electrical engineering and computer science from Berkeley, but it's almost 40 years old. I couldn't solve a differential equation today to save my life. I spent a few months managing volts and amps after college before I went on to what I really wanted to do. I still think like an engineer, however, which is a very good thing, in my opinion. All those engineering and physics classes paid off that way.
Why leave Windows now? Good question, and one I think about a lot. I'm tempted just to build another screamin' Windows machine with twice the performance at half the price. The thing is, I spend a lot of time making Windows work, which is fun, but I'm getting tired of it. I've purchased Macs for everyone else in my family simply so I don't have to work on them. (I've spent a lot more money on Apple products than I ever have on PCs.) I have an iPad and an iPhone and I think it would be nice to see how the integration works. Besides, I'm under pressure from the family to switch to Mac. Join the cult, as it were.
Anyway, thanks again for all the opinions. I'm still not certain which machine to buy, but I thoroughly enjoying thinking about it. That engineer again....
Cheers.
A couple of clarifications:
I'm not an engineer. I have a degree in electrical engineering and computer science from Berkeley, but it's almost 40 years old. I couldn't solve a differential equation today to save my life. I spent a few months managing volts and amps after college before I went on to what I really wanted to do. I still think like an engineer, however, which is a very good thing, in my opinion. All those engineering and physics classes paid off that way.
Why leave Windows now? Good question, and one I think about a lot. I'm tempted just to build another screamin' Windows machine with twice the performance at half the price. The thing is, I spend a lot of time making Windows work, which is fun, but I'm getting tired of it. I've purchased Macs for everyone else in my family simply so I don't have to work on them. (I've spent a lot more money on Apple products than I ever have on PCs.) I have an iPad and an iPhone and I think it would be nice to see how the integration works. Besides, I'm under pressure from the family to switch to Mac. Join the cult, as it were.
Anyway, thanks again for all the opinions. I'm still not certain which machine to buy, but I thoroughly enjoying thinking about it. That engineer again....
Cheers.
I find this strange. I've always built my own computers, for a really long time, with off-the-shelf components, and I have never had Windows troubles. Since Windows 7, I've yet to see a bluescreen or other crash. My 13" Macbook Air crashes quite reliably, by comparison.
Then it sounds like you have a lot more reasons. Apple products definitely have a lot of inter-operability features (between themselves only), so there's significant positive synergy there.
If you get one, which ever one it is, you will be happy. While the 2016 is getting lots of flack, most of the apple computer range is quite healthy, if you spend the right amount, and not the new mac mini
I would add its a funny time to jump ship as others have said cause this is the first time in a very very very very long time where I am seeing windows OS match Mac OS. I run windows 10 on my desktop at home along with my many macs, since apple has switched to annual Major OS updates, things are no so stable, and damn windows 10 is very stable.
While most of my gear has been macs, Ive recently got a Skull Canyon, as the Mac mini is a poor product on mac side these days, damn I am impressed by it, use macs or PCs in 2016, we are all in a good place.
Considering how "DON'T BUY" is plastered on this very website across the Apple desktop computer range, the term "healthy" is perhaps an overstatement
Reminds me of this:
Considering how "DON'T BUY" is plastered on this very website across the Apple desktop computer range, the term "healthy" is perhaps an overstatement
Reminds me of this:
lol. yeah that is true. I should have said that I am content with my older don't buy stuff for many more years. And not a fan of the new soldered/glued macs, my 2009 iMac with raid 0 SSDs is proving to be an awesome machine for the family needs
Here's my take on it. A lot of the backlash you are seeing is from the Mac desktop community in that they are not seeing refreshes of their products. This causes them to demand desktop performance out of the laptops because as they point out there is no desktop alternative for them to turn to. So I think a lot of the RAM and PRO machine complaints are coming from some of these people who really want the Mac Pro to be updated.
I think they probably are waiting for the processor updates on the desktop side and will release something but if the order was switched, if they released a shiny new Mac Pro with a less powerful Mac mini and then a few months later (or at the same time) released the MacBook Pro IMO you wouldn't see anywhere near this backlash. So I think there are two things going on here, the lack of refresh on the powerful Mac desktop side and a streamlining of the MacBook Pro. People upset about the former tend to lash out about the latter.
I think they probably are waiting for the processor updates on the desktop side and will release something but if the order was switched, if they released a shiny new Mac Pro with a less powerful Mac mini and then a few months later (or at the same time) released the MacBook Pro IMO you wouldn't see anywhere near this backlash. So I think there are two things going on here, the lack of refresh on the powerful Mac desktop side and a streamlining of the MacBook Pro. People upset about the former tend to lash out about the latter.
What are the facts? You can't have it both ways. Either the thinness of the laptop CAN support bigger battery (rumors) or it cannot. So what are the facts?
How can one side be a rumor and not yet proven to be true, but the other side is true? Either one side is true, you can't have it both ways.
How about the fact that is the 2016 MacBook Pro? i really have no idea what your point is. Let's just focus on facts, the 2016 MacBook Pro currently sold
Also, how can you ignore the "facts" that CR DID get amazing battery life while using Chrome? Better than the 10 hours Apple mentions. Way better in fact. These are the "facts". So no, the thinness of the laptop is not the issue, or else it would never achieve 19 hours of battery life.
You do realise they never got 19 hours, they saw an estimated 19 hours from the battery estimator apple removed.
When you do a scientific experiment , you don't take anomalies in data as facts.....
Have a good day, this is a waste of both our time
Not true. Gone are the days of MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR processor upgrades every year, or even 5 years.
I have a 2010 Mac Pro ($4,000 at the time) and a 2015 custom built windows PC ($2,600 at the time).
Both systems have 3.33Ghz 6-core (Mac Pro has a Xeon and the 2015 system has an i7)
Both have 32GB of RAM
Mac Pro has a GTX 980 and my 2015 system has a GTX 1080.
My 2010 Mac Pro still produces my video at the same speed as my 2015 custom built PC. Why is this? In fact, in some cases, Final Cut on my 2010 Mac Pro out performs Adobe Premiere on my 2015 custom built PC.
Until my GTX 1080 came out, I was extremely dissapointed that I spent $2,600 on a system that offered no real benefit.
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Where does it say "estimated"? Here is an exact quote from the article.
One of my friends at work said the same thing about Windows after he switched to Mac (back in, I think, 2004 or so).
His tipping point for switching was when he was my roommate on an extended business trip and I had a problem with my iBook. The video card went out for the third time, and when I contacted Apple, they offered to send out a brand-new model with similar specs. They overnighted it, and when it arrived, I copied over my backup I kept on my iPod. That evening, everything was running smoothly, and I was playing around with GarageBand (I think).
He was playing Ghost Recon on his Wintel laptop and it crashed for the umpteenth time. He looked over at me and the fun I was having and said, "Dammit. I'm getting a Mac next time."
After he finally switched a couple years later, he says to me, "Dude, my Mac is almost boring." Why? I ask. He goes, "My Dell always had little things I needed to do to keep it running -- antivirus, defragging, things like that. Half the time I was on it, I was maintaining it. My Mac doesn't give me any problems. I guess I need to actually use it for work or something."
Anecdotal, sure, but he's well-entrenched in Apple now.
The 2010 Mac Pro couldn't have come with a GTX 980, since it was launched in Q4'14. So I don't really get your point (what is the point of the comparison?), and I have no idea what this has anything to do with what I wrote.
Perhaps you took issue with me saying that the iMacs and Mac Pro are terrible, and respectively, no value for money? I stand by it. For the money of any iMac, Mac Mini or Mac Pro Apple currently offers on their website, I can build a much faster machine with off-the-shelf parts, and I do. I have no stability issues whatsoever with Windows 10, ESXI or Linux these days.
While you are right in there being no major yearly CPU upgrades (although 2017 might break this, given AMD's recent wake-up), there are updates, and there are major yearly GPU upgrades, and significant disk technology updates. This is why un-upgradable (or nearly so) computers, which Apple also seems to leave for years with no significant updates, on old specs with poor laptop-quality GPUs and "fusion drives" cannot offer value for money.
There's no software advantage to the Macs either, Windows beats it on the consumer/pro software side, and Linux beats it on the server side, where Apple gave up altogether.