I just bought a macbook pro todat! And happen to own a pre. Ill be honest it is disappointing that their are so many positive ratings for this story. People on this forum are actually happy that macs are less compatible with other phones.... Wmp would be happy to support many devicea and itunes says **** you unless you are an ipod. I can't decide if I'm more disappointed in apple or in apple users that are happy because itunes is now compatible with fewer devices....
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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing
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Yer right, I did take the analogy the wrong way initially but I still don't think it's a very good analogy.If I walk into your house, open your fridge and drink your milk I have deprived you of milk until you purchase more. Palm isn't depriving Apple of anything they are just ignoring the "iPhone/iPod only" sign on the door. Apple of course doesn't want to let anyone else in because Apple pays their bills by selling iPods, not by giving away free software like iTunes.
Good point. OK, you don't raid my fridge (not much in there to begin with
) so instead of a snack, you go ahead at watch cable even though you can get the same thing at your house except I have a better TV and sound system and you are still looking at getting a TV but have already gotten cable. You can consume the same content that I can, but I have a better system than you to get that content. I like that better!My guess is that Apple added in a second layer of authentication in addition to the UID that Palm hijacked. It's a USB issue that Apple probably can't fix unless they cut off iPod support or get Palm to no longer falsely represent themselves (via the USB group).
Of course I have no idea what the changes Apple implemented to block the Pre so we can only guess.
How about being angry at Palm. They broke the USB standard and imitated the iPod. If Palm wants access to iTunes they had lots of legal options. This has been explained many times.
That's your opinion. But it brings up a good point. Since Palm clearly thinks it can out-iPhone the iPhone, why did it not develop its own software, instead of relying on Apple?
If there was such certainly in law, then there wouldn't be so many lawsuits, or appeals to verdicts.
Macs are just as compatible with other phones as they were before this version of iTunes came out. iTunes itself, however, was never intended to be compatible with the Pre, and most certainly isn't with the latest release. That's regardless of whether it's on a Mac or PC.
Macs are also plenty compatible with the Pre. Read the Pre manual. The mass-storage-device method of moving files from your computer to the Pre will still work exactly as advertised. You can still load music onto your Pre from a Mac; it's as easy as dragging and dropping from the Finder. You just can't sync from iTunes. Yet for Palm's defiance on the matter, I would bet you that if Palm really thought that the iTunes sync was kosher, they would've mentioned it in the manual. Curious that they don't, wouldn't you say?
I rated this story positive because the situation reminds of the dunce in class that copies someone else's homework and turns it in as theirs. here, they've been caught in the act. It didn't make sense that Palm wants to make a clear dent in Apple market share, makes efforts to market their product as superior to comparable Apple products, and yet uses products Apple developed as a method to advance the functionality of their own hardware. Is the Pre an iPhone killer or an iPod imposter? Make up your mind, Palm.
So use it instead.
honestly. it numbs my mind how so many people posting here are in this clueless mac bubble that can't seem to see any other point of view. honestly itunes is the worst app ever. i don't know of any other mainstream media player that can't even do something as simple as monitoring a folder (besides having to set up automator and all that nonsense).
the only reason i *have* to use it is because apple won't release its proprietary grip on how music/movies are stored on the iphone. i'd be completely using songbird by now if it weren't for this.
Either way you and others think this is funny. Funny that the pre can't sync with itunes anymore. That in itself speaks loads. In the end it does ultimatly hurt the apple user like palm said. Yes their are other options. But this speaks loads about apple users. I guess I just can't believe so many people are happy its harder for some mac users to sync music now. Everyones opinion here is that they qant itunes to just be compatible with ipods? Just making sure... I guess this really benefits some mac users....
That's your opinion. But it brings up a good point. Since Palm clearly thinks it can out-iPhone the iPhone, why did it not develop its own software, instead of relying on Apple?
If there was such certainly in law, then there wouldn't be so many lawsuits, or appeals to verdicts.
Macs are just as compatible with other phones as they were before this version of iTunes came out. iTunes itself, however, was never intended to be compatible with the Pre, and most certainly isn't with the latest release. That's regardless of whether it's on a Mac or PC.
Macs are also plenty compatible with the Pre. Read the Pre manual. The mass-storage-device method of moving files from your computer to the Pre will still work exactly as advertised. You can still load music onto your Pre from a Mac; it's as easy as dragging and dropping from the Finder. You just can't sync from iTunes. Yet for Palm's defiance on the matter, I would bet you that if Palm really thought that the iTunes sync was kosher, they would've mentioned it in the manual. Curious that they don't, wouldn't you say?
I rated this story positive because the situation reminds of the dunce in class that copies someone else's homework and turns it in as theirs. here, they've been caught in the act. It didn't make sense that Palm wants to make a clear dent in Apple market share, makes efforts to market their product as superior to comparable Apple products, and yet uses products Apple developed as a method to advance the functionality of their own hardware. Is the Pre an iPhone killer or an iPod imposter? Make up your mind, Palm.
So use it instead.
You seriously expect companies like Nokia, Palm, RIM, etc., to create their 'own' iTunes and iTMS stores? Take away the iPhone's integration into the rest of the Mac platform, or allow other handset makers the same level of integration, and the iPhone would be a much less sought-after device, IMO.
The iPhone is a device specifically created to function and thrive in the vertically integrated 'ecosystem' that Apple has created which is a big reason why Apple has to keep everyone else at arms length because losing control at one point will have ripple effect across multiple products. They are leveraging their products against themselves (if you want a phone that works w/iTunes & iTMS you have to get an iPhone, if you want a 'fully functioning' iPhone you have to get MobileMe, etc.,) which can be a double edged sword. Apples has created a walled garden that many people love to reside in but if the gilded cage starts to lose it's luster (am I mixing enough metaphors here) it could come crashing down much quicker than Apple took to build it up.
I like a lot of Apple products but I'm weary about the direction they are heading in because I don't see the all or nothing ecosystem as being sustainable over the long term.
Lethal
Actually, Nokia, Palm, and RIM are doing their own app store. Nokia has their PC Suite, and makes their own software to sync with iTunes (unlike the Pre that pretends to be an iPod). As for music, songs sold via iTMS are DRM free anyway, and can be easily copied to anything that can play AAC.
Speaking about Nokia, they have their own software that allows iTunes syncing, and Apple is cool with that. So Palm, stop being lazy.
Well, several artists did benefit greatly from iTunes adverts. Did anyone know Leslie Feist or Yael Naim before the adverts?
There is a security aspect to this as well. Nowadays, any software has to be made resistant against hacker attacks. That is done in two ways: For any information that goes into your software, you check whether it comes from a trusted source, and you check the information itself. You do both, to get twice the security.
In this case, iTunes communicates with devices connected to it. Previous versions believed (in the case of the Pre incorrectly) that a device plugged into iTunes that claims it is an iPod is indeed an iPod. So if there are any vulnerabilities in iTunes, a hacker could build a USB device that claims to be an iPod, and might be able to hack into your Macintosh just by plugging that device into your MacBook while you are not watching. So obviously Apple now adds more checks to see that any device claiming an iPod _is_ indeed an iPod.
(For example, someone could make a device that pretends to be a 160 GB iPod classic but really contains a wireless transmitter, and use it to steal your music and videos).
um i have? they pick bands/acts that are in fashion at the current time. i actually think it does them a disservice. i hate whenever i hear caesars palace playing somewhere, someone always has to go "oh its that ipod commercial song!"
oh please. over-reaching just a little??? an amusing little rant i but i sincerely hope this wasn't an actual legitimate thought in your head.
I didn't just mean an App store I meant the entire iTMS (music, movies, tv shows, etc.,).
Lethal
Others have commented on the lack of a Palm-made alternative to iTunes.
If Palm is going to truly compete with iPhone then the staging ground has to be in Application discovery and delivery - not in music playlist management.
To that end, by relying on iTunes, and not having their own desktop content/media/app manager, the future doesn't really look too bright for Palm Pre owners hoping for anything AppStore-like from Palm.
Sounds as if it was rushed out without giving proper consideration to what really makes the iPhone such a good proposition to users.
If Palm is going to truly compete with iPhone then the staging ground has to be in Application discovery and delivery - not in music playlist management.
To that end, by relying on iTunes, and not having their own desktop content/media/app manager, the future doesn't really look too bright for Palm Pre owners hoping for anything AppStore-like from Palm.
Sounds as if it was rushed out without giving proper consideration to what really makes the iPhone such a good proposition to users.
There is a Pre App Store although pickings are slim as the SDK is still in limited Beta (it supposed to be fully released in Aug IIRC).
Lethal
Palm are wrong!
1. Apple have never said that iTunes will work with other devices.
2. Apple have spent a great deal of time and money developing iTunes and the iTunes Store. Palm on the other hand decided to hop on to the back of Apple's hard work and try to Plus thier own product by using iTunes.
3. Palm should write thier own application rather than just being lazy and cheap. Where is the innovation?
They launched a prooduct with a cheap hack to try to booth thier sales using other companies products. They deserve to fail.
1. Apple have never said that iTunes will work with other devices.
2. Apple have spent a great deal of time and money developing iTunes and the iTunes Store. Palm on the other hand decided to hop on to the back of Apple's hard work and try to Plus thier own product by using iTunes.
3. Palm should write thier own application rather than just being lazy and cheap. Where is the innovation?
They launched a prooduct with a cheap hack to try to booth thier sales using other companies products. They deserve to fail.
Check out the WebOS on the Pre and you'll see a v1 product that gives Apple's v3 product a run for it's money.
I'm not sure why you want the Pre to fail because healthy competition brings better, more affordable products to the marketplace faster.Lethal
Curious - is that only on-device then? Or web/desktop based too?
How are applications managed (removed & restored w/settings)?
AFAIK everything is managed on the phone itself. All your contacts, apps, etc., get backed up daily onto Palm's servers so if you ever need to replace your phone or have to do a complete or partial erase of the phone you just log onto your Palm Profile account (which you make during the phone's activation process) and the phone will download all your data from the back-up on Palm's servers.
Lethal
I'm not surprised that this has happened, at the end of the day the last think Apple want is to be associated with a problem relating to Palm; could you imagine the number of idiots who will go, "oh, iTunes sucks because my Palm isn't working properly, it is all Apple's fault! wahh! wahh!".
Good God, that sounds awful for a whole host of reasons.
Contacts and other lightweight data, fair enough, but apps... that would be a recipe for disaster. I hope they have plans for a better solution when their SDK surfaces...!
Strange circumstances. For all I've read the Palm compares well in terms of potential, but fails in terms of discovery (even finding data on the device - no favourites page!).
Manufacturers aren't going to trump iPhone by copying the thing they hold in their hand. They need to look at the business plan behind iPhone, iTunes, App Store, and the relationship Apple have fostered with their SDK and developers.
Steve Jobs finds it easy to challenge that nobody can catch up with them (1.5 billion downloads), but I think he's bluffing. Tables can turn very quickly, and all it will take is for someone to recognise Apple's strategy, copy it, and add a little self-efficacy to the mix. Because in war, you look for weaknesses by identifying their strength. Apple's strength (it's secrecy) is it's greatest weakness, because developers and consumers alike feel belittled by it.
Oops, started to wander off topic there
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If climbing a mountain is as simple as sticking pins in rock, then you could be right...
Spotify, pandora, last.fm, orb.
There are cloud services today, they only need to be better.
Yay!! I hate choice. Good for Apple, limiting our choices by deliberately breaking compatibility with 3rd party solutions. You'd never see Microsoft going out of their way to break compatibility like that for their customers' good.