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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

Shake 'n' Bake said:
I like what the information says in Software Update. What's up with the iPhone OS 3.0 comment?
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the best part about the upgrade notes is
"iTunes 8.2.1 provides a number of important bug fixes and addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices."

I think it is great that apple is blocking other devices from using itunes. The only reason these devices can even truly try to use itunes is because apple has removed DRM. If you want to use itunes then get an iPhone!!!!
 
macfan70 said:
iTunes does not make Apple that much money, they use it as an added bonus if you buy their hardware. So opening up to others to piggy back off of Apples efforts is not an option for them.
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i would argue different. Plus we don't have a look at their revenue generated and operating margin so no one really is in a place to say otherwise. If its not tied to revenue, then what is the rationale to eliminate some one from using your product? Its not like Apple was the ones engineering the support for the Pre so its no cycles used on their part.

Again i think this comes across petty intentional or not.
 
dguisinger said:
So what? It used to be that way. Apple used to use an RJ11 style jack for their keyboards....then they used ADB. And wow, look at that, they had ADC for displays. Get over yourself. They can chose how to make their products, you can chose if you decide to use them.
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No, there were still third party products out there that used the ADB connector and converters to convert ADC to VGA. If the Mac OS or hardware actively sought out 3rd party hardware and blocked it, you all would be bitching up a storm.
 
Bad Move

First off, syncing your media that you paid for and own to a device that you paid for and own isn't stealing... it's syncing. Stop with the senseless comments that Palm was stealing.

Second, this is the kind of stuff that people hate apple for. I expected apple to do it and they certainly have every right to since they own iTunes but I guess it's disappointing when it finally does happen. Not everyone on the face of the earth can get an iPhone to carry their music with them even though they have iTunes on their computer...

Third, just get double twist. It's a better way to sync anyways for non-apple devices.
 
I think that Palm was just being sly and lazy about things... I mean why advertize something that isn't appropriate to advertize? Without permission from Apple to use iTunes they obviously had to see it coming.

"Hey buy this phone and you can come into Apple's house whenever you want!.. oh ya... but you need to sneek in through the back window and we can't guarentee that they won't lock their place down better... but still come in whenever you want!"

I can't believe the amount of people that are upset about this. It's silly.

Oh and again... Apple won't be making a killing all of a sudden for the small amount of people that bought the Pre. Probably wouldn't even notice it in their numbers if all the Pre owners used the iTunes store.
 
Why? I don't understand why Apple is afraid of a little competition :confused: Switch to Songbird!!
 
yg17 said:
That's not what Microsoft did, they were trying to force people to use Internet Explorer in Windows, and the DOJ took them to the cleaners for it. Apple is trying to force people to use an iPhone/iPod in iTunes, and hopefully the DOJ will take them to the cleaners as well.
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Microsoft forced OEMs to not bundle alternative browsers and media players in the OEM licensing agreements, as well as charged OEM's for all machines they sold wether or not Microsoft Windows was installed claiming people purchasing without Windows would obviously be pirating Windows. This is not the same thing.
 
yg17 said:
That's not what Microsoft did, they were trying to force people to use Internet Explorer in Windows, and the DOJ took them to the cleaners for it. Apple is trying to force people to use an iPhone/iPod in iTunes, and hopefully the DOJ will take them to the cleaners as well.
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Oh, yes, I know that; I'm just using the .exe example as coming from a different viewpoint.

stainlessliquid said:
uh yes you can
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So I don't need to put these games in a Cider shell to run them, then, huh.

I can just double-click the .exe file and it will start, yes?

Oh. Look at that. It doesn't work.

Aside: I have them set to be opened by SWF & FLV Player to give them a distinctive look so that I know they're worthless to me.
 
macnchiefs said:
First off, syncing your media that you paid for and own to a device that you paid for and own isn't stealing... it's syncing. Stop with the senseless comments that Palm was stealing.
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Right, let's get that straight. Stealing would be if Palm had a mole inside Apple who stole the iTunes source code and gave it to Palm to they could make a couple minor changes, slap their name on it and release it. What Palm did is certainly not stealing.
 
okay, so explain to someone not in the know what palm is doing with the pre which apple is mad about. What makes the pre case different then other phones syncing?
 
dguisinger said:
Microsoft forced OEMs to not bundle alternative browsers and media players in the OEM licensing agreements, as well as charged OEM's for all machines they sold wether or not Microsoft Windows was installed claiming people purchasing without Windows would obviously be pirating Windows. This is not the same thing.
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It is the same thing. Microsoft was trying to use their position in the market to force people to use their products. By locking out all 3rd party companies, how is Apple not doing the same?
 
From Apple


SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones)--The latest version of iTunes from Apple Inc. (AAPL) has cut off rival Palm Inc.'s (PALM) Pre smartphone.

Apple's online music and video bazaar now "disables devices falsely pretending to be iPods," which includes Palm's Pre, an Apple spokesman said.

The Pre smartphone has been able to access iTunes since going on sale in the U.S. in early June. But it was always unclear whether the Pre was doing so with Apple's permission. Given the latest iTunes update, Palm appears to have been acting on its own.

The development is a negative one for Palm, which is counting on Pre sales to turn around the company. With the move, Apple has dramatically limited one of the Pre's key competitive advantages: downloading music and videos from Apple's iTunes.

"If Apple chooses to disable media sync in iTunes, it will be a direct blow to their users who will be deprived of a seamless synchronization experience," Palm spokesman Lynn Fox said,

"However, people will have options," which include using previous versions of iTunes that are still Pre-compatible, she added.

For Apple, the new iTunes underscores its commitment to allow only authorized devices, such as its iPods and iPhones, to access its iTunes music store, which helps it corral more of the profits.

"As we've said before, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with unsupported digital media players," the Apple spokesman added.

Apple shares were trading 3.1% higher at $146.72, while Palm shares are up 4.9% to $15.34.
 
yg17 said:
No, there were still third party products out there that used the ADB connector and converters to convert ADC to VGA. If the Mac OS or hardware actively sought out 3rd party hardware and blocked it, you all would be bitching up a storm.
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Okay, so you want to look like a fool. I'm game. Apple pays the USB Consortium an annual fee that assigns vender IDs. That vendor ID is exclusively given to Apple for their use; Palm stole that ID to use during sync mode with iTunes. That is against the USB rules that Palm signed when they received their own IDs.

Again, Palm can write their own app that interfaces with iTunes like everyone else does.
 
macnchiefs said:
First off, syncing your media that you paid for and own to a device that you paid for and own isn't stealing... it's syncing. Stop with the senseless comments that Palm was stealing.

Second, this is the kind of stuff that people hate apple for. I expected apple to do it and they certainly have every right to since they own iTunes but I guess it's disappointing when it finally does happen. Not everyone on the face of the earth can get an iPhone to carry their music with them even though they have iTunes on their computer...

Third, just get double twist. It's a better way to sync anyways for non-apple devices.
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+1
Agreed completely. Wish people could be 1/10th as realistic and factual and that would make the world a better place!
 
jav6454 said:
Not directly though. You have to go through CorssOver.
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So I don't need to put these games in a Cider shell to run them, then, huh.

I can just double-click the .exe file and it will start, yes?

Oh. Look at that. It doesn't work.
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So it would be ok if Palm made software that tricked iTunes into thinking the Pre is an iPod? I fail to see why legal third party software makes any difference. You can run exe's in OS X without having to buy Windows.
 
As much fun as knee-jerk responses are :p Apple did NOT lock Palm or anyone else out of your iTunes library. (They may have locked one method--but left another one as open as it always has been.)

Apple officially supports 3rd-party apps that access the iTunes library. They can then copy your music to the device, playlists and all.

Having a separate "Pre Sync" app isn't as tidy as using iTunes directly (would it sync both ways?) but it would work and Apple officially supports that via "iTunes Music Library.xml."

Why not let Palm use the iTunes app directly? Maybe supporting 3rd-party devices complicates Apple's product. (And if they don't spend time/money to support 3rd-party devices, then eventually the functionality may break anyway, if only by accident.) Maybe they want the iTunes/iPod system to retain unique advantages. I don't know.

But I do know they haven't locked Palm out. Palm just tried to do this by the wrong method. They're still free to use the approved method and make a Pre Sync app. iTunes will share data with that app via XML just fine.

Apple also has syncing services for calendars and contacts on non-Apple devices (iSync), so that's available to Palm officially too.
 
do you hear the bells Palm? Crap like this is to be expected from a Chinese company but an American one ...
 
Tallest Skil said:
Oh, yes, I know that; I'm just using the .exe example as coming from a different viewpoint.



So I don't need to put these games in a Cider shell to run them, then, huh.

I can just double-click the .exe file and it will start, yes?

Oh. Look at that. It doesn't work.

Aside: I have them set to be opened by SWF & FLV Player to give them a distinctive look so that I know they're worthless to me.
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And i would aruge (shocker on this website i know) that you in fact are helping Microsoft out. One of the biggest selling points i have heard with the switch to intel is that you can you windows natively on your hardware. With that i would say that the percentage of users that were Mac only lowered with people dual booting or VMing windows. Microsoft doesn't make hardware primarily they make software so its a win win for them. Its off topic, but just wanted to get that out there.

NNNN
 
Yes - it is a good thing that Apple plugged this hole.

However, I have to wonder how many people posting to this thread are also the very ones hacking to get tethering on the iPhone? I have not bothered to try to match up names from this thread to the one about the tethering hack being broken in 3.1 Beta 2, but I have to guess there are a few. I am not trying to set myself up as being any better than anyone else, but I had to laugh when I saw the word "thief" being used by a poster in this thread when talking about Palm.

I am sure I will be flamed by everyone who will say that the two things are totally different. They are? Maybe they are. I would say that the tethering hack is worse, as I understand it to be a direct violation of the AT&T terms of service.

Let the flaming begin.
 
macnchiefs said:
First off, syncing your media that you paid for and own to a device that you paid for and own isn't stealing... it's syncing. Stop with the senseless comments that Palm was stealing.
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It isn't music that people are saying is being stolen :p It is the intelectual property of using iTunes to sync with non Apple devices. Apple makes iTunes, they have a right to choose what it syncs with.

Does Nikon let Canon Camera's sync with Nikon transfer?

Same argument.
 
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