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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

making compatible is not stealing

I simply do not understand how making something compatible can be considered stealing, can someone please explain that?

If Apple has to continue being the way they are about it, I guess Palm should implement a separate syncing tool that just reads all the music/podcast/video files off the hard-drive.

But stealing? Camon...
 
casik said:
It isn't music that people are saying is being stolen :p It is the intelectual property of using iTunes to sync with non Apple devices. Apple makes iTunes, they have a right to choose what it syncs with.

Does Nikon let Canon Camera's sync with Nikon transfer?

Same argument.
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This is well true. No one arguing the music property rights. What Apple has the right to is do whatever they want with their software including (unluckily for some) blocking rival products from accessing iTunes Sync


stainlessliquid said:
so what you said about exes was completely irrelevant to the conversation?
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They don't run directly do they?
 
b0kaj said:
I simply do not understand how making something compatible can be considered stealing, can someone please explain that?

If Apple has to continue being the way they are about it, I guess Palm should implement a separate syncing tool that just reads all the music/podcast/video files off the hard-drive.

But stealing? Camon...
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It's very simple. Palm made it so iTunes "thought" the Pre was an iPod.

Got it? an iPod.
The Pre is NOT an iPod.

It's called deception.
 
thanks orlando. makes much more sense now. palm should have their phone say what it is, not what it is not. wolf in sheep's clothing. smart as a hack, not from a manufacturer though.
 
Peace said:
It's very simple. Palm made it so iTunes "thought" the Pre was an iPod.

Got it? an iPod.
The Pre is NOT an iPod.

It's called deception.
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Stealing what? Sorry, you lost me when you explained how the stealing worked.
 
Peace said:
It's very simple. Palm made it so iTunes "thought" the Pre was an iPod.

Got it? an iPod.
The Pre is NOT an iPod.

It's called deception.
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Makes you wonder if Palm could have done that so easily without hiring ex-iPod engineers... and if they couldn't, then that is an illegal use of trade secrets and those employees and Palm could be used.
 
Non-Apple iTunes Syncing

At risk of starting a new rant (be kind - I'm new here), what ever happened to this early June press release? Seems to be a lead-in to a bigger market for iTunes...

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/456014

It's still out there so I know my memory isn't completely at fault for remembering this. I just find it strange that no one else noticed this particular bit of news. And it was June 1st, not April 1st! :rolleyes:
 
It was probably trivial to block Pre's

MacRumors said:


According to a posting at PreCentral and a report in our own forums, this is indeed the case, signaling the latest salvo in the ongoing dispute between Apple and Palm, which has hired a number of former Apple employees in recent years as it attempts to outdo the iPhone.

Article Link: iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing
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If I recall reports on Palm's implementation correctly, they coded in one of the USB identifiers on their phone the same as what Apple uses for an iPod. But Palm, to follow USB specs, still needs to code the device as having a manufacturer identifier as being from Palm. I would be that instead of just matching on the device type, iTunes now matches on both device type and manufacturer id for the device to show in iTunes.

It's unlikely Palm will flash their devices to violate the USB spec (by changing the manufacturer id on the Pre's to Apple's), so they'll either have to:
-hack the usb stack on Mac/Windows to fool iTunes into seeing it as an Apple device
-hack iTunes into using it's old behaviour
-write their own syncing software

This last part is what they should have done in the first place.
 
kbmb said:
Apple doesn't care. They don't make that much revenue from sales of songs in iTunes.....it's all about the hardware!

-Kevin

edit: macfan70 beat me to it!
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and if you open up iTunes to competitors, you could sell a lot more songs, which could bring in more revenue, bragging rights and possibly better negotiations when they are talking to the music execs.
 
dguisinger said:
Okay, so you want to look like a fool. I'm game. Apple pays the USB Consortium an annual fee that assigns vender IDs. That vendor ID is exclusively given to Apple for their use; Palm stole that ID to use during sync mode with iTunes. That is against the USB rules that Palm signed when they received their own IDs.

Again, Palm can write their own app that interfaces with iTunes like everyone else does.
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That may be a touchy subject for you but the law does not prohibit such a thing. See Sega vs. Accolade which isn't exactly the same thing, but similar. Also, if it indeed was stealing for Palm, it would be in court long time ago.
 
thegoldenmackid said:
And in five days Palm will come out with a new firmware update to fix this problem...
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Palm really painted themselves into a corner. Apple will continue to throw a monkey wrench into things with each iTunes update, forcing Palm to rush a fix out the door. Think Pre users are going to enjoy alternating between broken iTunes compatibility (a promised feature, remember) and a firmware update? I doubt it.

I said it at the start and I'll say it again: Palm was foolish to have attempted this iTunes compatibility thing. They should drop it altogether and seek a legitimate partner for music downloads.
 
Oh, look! People are happy that another product that dared to sync with iTunes is now locked up! Apple is so great and M$ sucks!

bbplayer5 said:
cant believe palm didnt make a great syncing software for their phone lol...
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That’s because you don’t NEED a syncing software to put something on your Palm Pre. Drag&drop. I believe it’s touted as a cool feature of OS X too. Syncing software is just an added bonus.

dguisinger said:
Palm stole that ID to use during sync mode with iTunes.
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I’m sorry, you are telling me Palm stole a string? Are you serious? The Pre emulates an iPod just like Wine emulates Windows. I don’t see anyone complaining about Wine. Double standards FTW.

I can’t believe some of you. If Microsoft did this, you’d be saying “hahaha. M$ sucks and they should pay $$$ for this.” When it’s Apple, you are all like “yay! Apple is locking me into their products!”

Anyway, people can still use doubleTwist to sync their Pre.
 
Tallest Skil said:
I'm sorry that you didn't get it.

Apple being allowed to restrict direct iTunes access is the same as an inability to run .exe applications.

I commented that I couldn't care less that we can't run .exe files natively, as that would open up a world of pain.
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What a ridiculous argument and you know it.
 
parapup said:
That may be a touchy subject for you but the law does not prohibit such a thing. See Sega vs. Accolade which isn't exactly the same thing, but similar. Also, if it indeed was stealing for Palm, it would be in court long time ago.
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No one said it was illegal; however Palm could lose their ability to use the USB specification because they signed a contract - and therefore Palm's products could be forcibly recalled under contract law because they signed agreements and have to abide by them.
 
SubtltzSir said:
At risk of starting a new rant (be kind - I'm new here), what ever happened to this early June press release? Seems to be a lead-in to a bigger market for iTunes...

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/456014

It's still out there so I know my memory isn't completely at fault for remembering this. I just find it strange that no one else noticed this particular bit of news. And it was June 1st, not April 1st! :rolleyes:
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Because that release was really from 2004!

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jul/26motorola.html
http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail.jsp?globalObjectId=4505_3838_23

-Kevin
 
I think its a bad move on Apple's part, but then it was also a bad move on Palm's part to advertise a loophole as a selling point.
 
Not Stealing

b0kaj said:
I simply do not understand how making something compatible can be considered stealing, can someone please explain that?

If Apple has to continue being the way they are about it, I guess Palm should implement a separate syncing tool that just reads all the music/podcast/video files off the hard-drive.

But stealing? Camon...
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OK Not Stealing - But why does Apple have to put in resources to make other companies hardware compatible with iTunes. As mentioned earlier, by a more knowledgeable poster, they did not lock Palm out. Palm was just being lazy and trying to market their product by saying that it works like the iPhone in iTunes.

They can still come up with their own synch solution, let them invest r&d in their own hardware.
 
stainlessliquid said:
If Apple wanted to do the same thing that Crossover does then they could, thats the point.
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Of course If someone like Apple did try and do it, MS would change how their API's and application framework operated to simply stop them - and they would be in the right to do so. MS doesn't stop the Crossover/WINE project because its very limited in application and a small player - not worth their effort. Of course the more prominent they get, the aggressive MS will be to stop them.
 
dragossh said:
Oh, look! People are happy another product that dared to sync with iTunes is now locked up! Apple is so great and M$ sucks!
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Ok I know you are trolling, but I'm going to answer anyways...:rolleyes:

dragossh said:
That’s because you don’t NEED a syncing software to put something on your Palm Pre. Drag&drop. I believe it’s touted as a cool feature of OS X too. Syncing software is just an added bonus.
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Drag and drop isn't universal. It work for Applications, not devices trying to acquire certain files.

dragossh said:
I’m sorry, you are telling me Palm stole a string? Are you serious? The Pre emulates an iPod just like Wine emulates Windows. I don’t see anyone complaining about Wine. Double standards FTW.

I can’t believe some of you. If Microsoft did this, you’d be saying “hahaha. M$ sucks and they should pay $$$ for this.” When it’s Apple, you are all like “yay! Apple is locking me into their products!”

Anyway, people can still use doubleTwist to sync their Pre.
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Yes, it emulates an iPod, and its not supposed to. If Palm had went to Apple for this, then no problem. But as it is, Palm is uses deception code to make iTunes believe a fake iPod. Apple is well in their rights as software owner to fix said bug/glitch.
 
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