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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing
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Interoperability Is There
With respect to software, the term interoperability is used to describe the capability of different programs to exchange data via a common set of exchange formats, to read and write the same file formats, and to use the same protocols.
The Pre can still access the songs and iTunes can access the songs. That means there is interoperability.
This is about access to the data not access to the software.
With respect to software, the term interoperability is used to describe the capability of different programs to exchange data via a common set of exchange formats, to read and write the same file formats, and to use the same protocols.
The Pre can still access the songs and iTunes can access the songs. That means there is interoperability.
This is about access to the data not access to the software.
They don't have to invest their resources to make something else compatible, Palm did that themselves. But they just put in their own resources to make sure that the Palm cannot sync with iTunes. Apple doesn't have to support anything, but they don't have to make things incompatible either.
Anyway, I'm not saying that Apple doesn't have the right, they can do whatever they want with their product, and I have the right to think they are being too narrow-minded about the whole thing.
There is no investment needed in hardware... Palm just have to implement a simple application that syncs stuff from the iTunes library. An app that is not integrated in iTunes, but works exactly the same.
I never liked lock-ins, but apparently a lot of people do... I guess it just depends what they are locked-in to. I say, I never want to be locked in, but I can choose to use certain products.
Yes, but in this case Zune Desktop is clearly a Zune-only software. Your argument would hold if Apple wrote some code to enable Windows Media Player to work with iPhone and then Microsoft broke it.
And how would Pre access iTunes’ library if Apple broke that and Palm has no helper app for it?
I don't know about that; but Apple is a long way from being anti-competitive.
Being competitive doesn't mean doing your competitors work.
Anti-competitive would be stopping all non-iPods from working on OSX and refusing to work with MP3s on the computer. They aren't doing that, just saying hey, write your own software instead of stealing our intellectual property we own and developed by leaching our old employees.
Actually they are not long ways from being a monopoly. And the EU have already investigated Apple once and ruled against them.
Nah, it all depends .....
Apple only "loses" in the sense that they lose out on some music or video sales off iTunes, by Pre owners. It's apparent that Apple doesn't consider those losses as outweighing the benefits for them (more new smartphone buyers choosing an iPhone instead of a Palm Pre phone, under these circumstances).
They're probably quite right too. Do you really think the typical Pre owner is likely to buy enough music or movie content off iTunes over the life of the device that they spend more on it than what Apple makes on an iPhone sale, plus their cut of a corresponding AT&T service contract?
Apple only "loses" in the sense that they lose out on some music or video sales off iTunes, by Pre owners. It's apparent that Apple doesn't consider those losses as outweighing the benefits for them (more new smartphone buyers choosing an iPhone instead of a Palm Pre phone, under these circumstances).
They're probably quite right too. Do you really think the typical Pre owner is likely to buy enough music or movie content off iTunes over the life of the device that they spend more on it than what Apple makes on an iPhone sale, plus their cut of a corresponding AT&T service contract?
I wonder why all the Pre users aren't compalining that they can't sync the Pre with Zune Desktop?For the millionth time. Apple doesn't have to allow third-party devices to sync with their software. Songs purchased from the iTunes store can still be played on the Pre, there is simply no syncing. You "anti-monopoly" people are so full of it. Should I be flustered that I can't use my iPod touch with the Zune desktop software? And speaking of that, check out this out:
The Zune is made by Microsoft. It can sync only with Zune Desktop. Zune Desktop, also made by Microsoft, is only available for Windows, which is also made by Microsoft.
See where that's going? Lack of syncing ability does not hamper Pre users from being able to use the iTunes store. It's not anti-competitive, it's exactly what the hell anyone else would do.
Will those former Apple employees now working on the PRE, will they be hard at work to revamp the Pre's software code to re-link to the ITMS?
How hard can it be with all the jail break iPhones of earlier iPhone OS's from people who didn't care for the ATT/Apple alliance and said Apple be damned, I bought it, it's my phone, to do as I wish...
I'm sure the PRE users are say it's my phone, I bought it, to do as I wish and I wish to connect to Apple ITMS pretending to be an iPod! Now let me log on dammit!
How hard can it be with all the jail break iPhones of earlier iPhone OS's from people who didn't care for the ATT/Apple alliance and said Apple be damned, I bought it, it's my phone, to do as I wish...
I'm sure the PRE users are say it's my phone, I bought it, to do as I wish and I wish to connect to Apple ITMS pretending to be an iPod! Now let me log on dammit!
Actually this is completely different, #1 iTunes is free and you can put any songs on it don't have to be purchased in the store so you really don't have to use the service for anything more than a GUI for music, music player, and a way to sync, #2 You can get 3rd party hardware especially if LICENSED by Apple and also when using on Apple hardware which you dropped some big $$$ on. The Pre isn't a 3rd party device for Apple, it's just another phone tricking iTunes into thinking it's an iPod.
Apparently it needs to be called iPod Desktop for them to realize its designed for the iPod.
Unless the EU is getting very liberal with their definition of monopoly, Apple ain't anywhere close.Actually they are not long ways from being a monopoly. And the EU have already investigated Apple once and ruled against them.
That's a stupid comment. Palm is trying to use the ease-of-use of itunes to make their product look better. If you want the DRM-free music you bought on itunes on your palm, then you can, but not via itunes. All your itunes music is easy to find in the library an you can drag it anywhere you want and put it on any device you want.
Good move Apple!
Doesn't apply
Lol but don't copy Apple or the fanboys will whine, and then Apple will make fun of you during a Keynote.
Lol but don't copy Apple or the fanboys will whine, and then Apple will make fun of you during a Keynote.
No, they are stopping all non-Apple-blessed devices from working on iTunes.
And for the nth time, Palm did not steal anything. Did they steal iTunes source code and turned it into their iPalm product?
Actually, no, it needs to be a syncing software primarily instead of a media player. Something with iTunes is not.
Actually they are not long ways from being a monopoly. And the EU have already investigated Apple once and ruled against them.
Link to this ruling.
They do have to invest in continued support for Palm and any one else who wants to use Palms solution. Any future development would have to take in to account these back door implementations.
In Regards to my statement about R&D, I meant that they should (as you said) make their own software solution that works with their hardware and not just hope that a third party would continue to support their product.
Okay, am I doing it wrong, then? Should I hold Option when I double-click the .exe file?
Or maybe it's a third party application that is allowing you to run them, meaning you're a hypocrite and my argument is sound.
Go look at the iTunes site. It's clearly an iDevice-only piece of software (if your device manufacturer hasn't made a proper helper app, that is). S
Same way RIM software does it. The proper way.
Sehnsucht made exactly the point I was going to make. Argument is over. https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8091606/
Well, because no one cares about Zune. Go ahead, try to disprove that.
I can see both sides of it, and if Apple and Palm had come to an agreement, I (as a long-time Apple and Palm customer) would have celebrated it. But at the end of the day, Palm didn't ask, it took, and it tricked Apple's software to do so. Therefore, they deserved to be cut off.
I'm an Apple stock holder, and I agree they have no obligation to support competitors, but purposefully breaking compatibility is just venomous. Their is already more and more clamouring about Apple's monopoly with the iTunes store (more related to music purchasing and abusing the labels then only their hardware being compatible) and doing this kind of stuff will just bring regulatory investigation sooner rather than later.
What they SHOULD have done is just said "we can't promise it won't break in the future", and waited to see if the Pre actually stole a significant number of iPhone sales, and if it does, THEN break it in a more routine update rather then a 'So *THERE*' get back at you type of update.
-allen