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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing
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I agree as well.
Not a big deal really. Drag and drop works great ifyou have an organized music collection.
Or use DoubleTwist which works EXACTLY LIKE iTUNES. In fact, it imports your music from iTunes.
Either way, most people who got the Pre probably didn't even know it could sync with iTunes.
Or hell, just not update their itunes. I personally don't use iTunes since i got rid of my iPod last year....but if it truly was a big deal to someone, they probably just own an iPod/iPhone already.
In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.
It's true that Apple (almost certainly) did this intentionally--but sooner or later, under the hood changes probably WOULD require it, unless Apple were to spend time/money supporting Palm's products. So it may be kinder to Palm AND Palm's users to break it now rather than later.
In any case, maybe Apple was "bad" to Palm, but Palm was bad to their own customers first: they knew this would happen sooner or later. Everyone did. And they STILL chose to do this to their users instead of using Apple's approved method of 3rd-party iTunes support (the XML). All for the PR of saying a Pre is just like an iPod? I don't really get it. Maybe Apple made a bad call here, maybe a good one--but Palm's call was bad for certain. They're not exactly the "good citizen" of this situation.
Anybody realize the other treat to Apple from Palm isn't just using iTunes, but the device 2 year COST!:
for more, see:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/wireds-smart-guide-for-know-your-smartphones/
for more, see:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/wireds-smart-guide-for-know-your-smartphones/
Now instead of being looked at in a positive light Apple has alienated the Palm Pre crowd.
All three of them....
In some aspects of their business, it is debatable if Apple is not approaching or is a monopoly. Not yet tested, perhaps soon.
That's a pretty good analogy, actually.
I might revise it to say, you want to help yourself to the food in your neighbor's kitchen, but instead of making plans for dinner, maybe bringing a side dish of your own, and being welcomed through their front door... you cut a hole in the shared wall and raid the fridge.
Anybody realize the other treat to Apple from Palm isn't just using iTunes, but the device 2 year COST!:
for more, see:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/wireds-smart-guide-for-know-your-smartphones/
Its a Mac forum...the answer you will get is "you pay the price for quality." or something of that nature.
Apple already lets other devices sync, but the manufacturer of the device must write a compatible driver, which needs to be installed on PCs and Macs alike. Apple is basically biatch-slapping a device manufacturer who is NOT following the rules. Palm (w/washed up ex-Apple folks) has been taking a short cut and trying to skip the driver installation.
Pre just bought themselves time to write the driver. I am sure they will do the right thing soon. They just wanted the early "it's easy!" press and reduce the load on their developers until the initial deployment settled down a little.
Yes, when people voluntarily leave a company they must be washed up.In fact...I guess Steve Jobs was washed up in the 90s! haha
Are you kidding me?! AT&T "quality"?! I have had so many dropped calls on my 3GS in the last week, the phone is practically unusable, I have a tower ticket open with them that they are supposed to resolve by Thursday. We will see. I have not seen the AT&T "quality for the price", and their 3G is SLOW, like only 540k on average in the towers I use often...
This is an interesting one, you can't blame apple for doing it, and if i was in their position with somebody attempting to piggy back off a product i had invested time and money into, i would probably do the same, but at the same time it opens up debate about whether it could ultimately be useful to apple to have as many devices as possible syncing up to itunes... time will tell, palms reaction will be good to watch.
I haven't updated yet. To those that have, does this fix the iPhone battery charging meter glitch? (iPhone's battery is charged, but the iTunes meter still shows charging)
I don't understand people defending Palm over this.
1. Palm never really advertise iTunes syncing in the first place. It's just a "wink wink nod nod" sort of thing. They should know better that it will be broken by Apple sooner or later.
2. iTunes is not required to transfer music to the Pre in the first place. Simply drag-n-drop. If Palm wasn't so lazy, they could've made things much better by partnering with Songbird or something.
Customers should blame Palm for being lazy. There are other good jukebox software out there. Piggybacking iTunes is not necessary.
1. Palm never really advertise iTunes syncing in the first place. It's just a "wink wink nod nod" sort of thing. They should know better that it will be broken by Apple sooner or later.
2. iTunes is not required to transfer music to the Pre in the first place. Simply drag-n-drop. If Palm wasn't so lazy, they could've made things much better by partnering with Songbird or something.
Customers should blame Palm for being lazy. There are other good jukebox software out there. Piggybacking iTunes is not necessary.
Okay, I'll be the one to say it.
What's so great about iTunes?
I have OS X and don't use iTunes to sync with anything.
I just drag and drop music to my BlackBerry and get on with life.
Also, if Apple makes iTunes for Windows, then what is the problem for Palm using it to "sync" or whatever the hell you use it for?
Why don't they keep it part of the OS and be done with it?
Apple seems to be all over the map with this one.
What's so great about iTunes?
I have OS X and don't use iTunes to sync with anything.
I just drag and drop music to my BlackBerry and get on with life.
Also, if Apple makes iTunes for Windows, then what is the problem for Palm using it to "sync" or whatever the hell you use it for?
Why don't they keep it part of the OS and be done with it?
Apple seems to be all over the map with this one.
I don't think many are defending palm. I just think its not a big deal. More of a F you Apple...and Apple just sent an F you right back.
As I posted above, they should just hook up with DVDJon to make DoubleTwist the official Pre sync software.
Otherwise, like every other phone just rock drag and drop like normal.
Well the thing is, you can;t call someone a monopoly until the courts declare it. Monopoly is a legal definition. You can call the actions of a company monopolistic, but thats a totally different thing. You can actolike a monopoly without being one in a legal sense.
I was thinking of that, but the problem is those darn refrigerators are hard to cut into from behind without breaking the thing and cutting off my future snack. Breaking the wall sown is not astechically preasing, but the house can still function under its previous funtion.
That and the kitchens in our units do not face each other and are on opposite sides of course...
oh Booooo! If this is true then Apple is going about things all wrong. They should encourage the Pre and any other phone or mp3 player to sync through iTunes. More sales for iTunes songs & movies plus more positive exposure for Apple.
I'm not saying give them full access to everything, but let them sync the basics like songs & podcasts.
Now instead of being looked at in a positive light Apple has alienated the Palm Pre crowd.
Apple likes to Alienate people, they are the kings of it.
The only problem with that logic is that iTunes is tied in with iPod/iPhone all over the place. Marketing etc.
Apple made iTunes so they have every single right on this planet to decide what devices can connect to their software. Besides as many people have said Apple doesn't close the music library itself as 3rd party apps can access it. The problem here is that Pre is piggy backing iTunes without putting R&D into their own app. So you are openly condoning this? Your saying hacking programs is just fine?
Do you know what ends up happening when people keep complaining all the time that everything isn't open to everything.. Developers no longer make software as they just can't be asked that the consumers decide the rules on their software.
They do.
It's called "drag and drop", and it works incredibly well.
You can do it from any computer, anytime, anywhere, and AFAIK, you never have to ask permission.
Most of the music I have is from well before Apple dropped DRM.
Seriously, guys. What is the great thing about using iTunes to simply move a file from one place to another?
I guess some people care, I'm just not 100% sure why.
Winamp did a pretty bang up job of keeping thing categorized on PC's and there are probably two dozen tools that do more or less the same thing.
The hell with "iTunes". Much like Picasa vs. iPhoto, move on to something free and just as good. If not better.
iTunes does nothing revolutionary whatsoever. I'm a musician and have always been able to manage perfectly fine with a myriad of (mostly) free tools on whatever platform I was using.
Folks are making iTunes seem far more interesting than it really us.