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iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

Tallest Skil said:
Okay, am I doing it wrong, then? Should I hold Option when I double-click the .exe file?

Or maybe it's a third party application that is allowing you to run them, meaning you're a hypocrite and my argument is sound.
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Your argument is ridiculous on so many levels its difficult to believe you can be so ignorant.

The complexity of making an exe work on OSX is several magnitudes greater than making a device sync with iTunes. Secondly, you can run Windows on your Mac, or run Crossover if you want to run .exes. Thirdly, and this is the most painfully obvious, .exes do not run on OSX because of the vast differences in those two operating systems and the different directions Apple and Microsoft choose. They are not the result of a conscious effort to make .exes incompatible with OSX, unlike Apples efforts here.

Now stop trolling.
 
pdjudd said:
In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.
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Apple is more "Microsoft" than Microsoft ever thought about being.

Meaning at least MS is open to letting 3rd parties access their stuff. Apple is basically as closed & proprietary as you can get.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Okay, am I doing it wrong, then? Should I hold Option when I double-click the .exe file?

Or maybe it's a third party application that is allowing you to run them, meaning you're a hypocrite and my argument is sound.
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Youre really getting desperate. A 3rd party application doesnt change anything. For your argument to hold any weight would require Microsoft to go out of their way and stop Wine applications from working with Windows applications, but they dont care.
 
Victor Odin said:
They do.

It's called "drag and drop", and it works incredibly well.

You can do it from any computer, anytime, anywhere, and AFAIK, you never have to ask permission.

Most of the music I have is from well before Apple dropped DRM.

Seriously, guys. What is the great thing about using iTunes to simply move a file from one place to another?

I guess some people care, I'm just not 100% sure why.

Winamp did a pretty bang up job of keeping thing categorized on PC's and there are probably two dozen tools that do more or less the same thing.

The hell with "iTunes". Much like Picasa vs. iPhoto, move on to something free and just as good. If not better.

iTunes does nothing revolutionary whatsoever. I'm a musician and have always been able to manage perfectly fine with a myriad of (mostly) free tools on whatever platform I was using.

Folks are making iTunes seem far more interesting than it really us.
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^^ iTunes is free :confused:
 
dragossh said:
Yes, but in this case Zune Desktop is clearly a Zune-only software. Your argument would hold if Apple wrote some code to enable Windows Media Player to work with iPhone and then Microsoft broke it.
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How is iTunes clearly not "iPod-only software?" :confused:
 
Ok. So what? Big friggin loss.

As if Apple *needs* to allow Palm syncing. Why give people reason to buy the comeptition's products?? Why should Apple want anything to do with Palm or RIM or anyone else?

The entire Apple ecosystem is self-sustaining.

You want the iTunes experience? Fine. Then buy an iPhone or an iPod. It's Apple's baby, anyway.

No problem here.
 
I have to say, it is rather amazing how frivolously the term "monopoly" is bandied around over here with regard to Apple.

Problem is, it doesn't apply in this case. At all.

For this to be monopolistic, iTunes and Apple would somehow have to prevent people from using their own music files with the Pre if they choose to install iTunes. Not the case here; there are 3rd part syncing solutions galore and Apple has no issue.

Can users play their old FairPlay protected songs on a Pre? No, but I can't play WMV files on my iPod either, and the Pre faking an iPod ID didn't enable this ability in the first place. So there is zero loss of functionality from this change from the user's perspective; it's simply a matter of which tool can do which job.

All I see is a flood of users complaining about how evil Apple is for doing this, and how much iTunes sucks anyway. Well, if it sucks, then you shouldn't care, correct? So which is it?
 
windywoo said:
Secondly, you can run Windows on your Mac, or run Crossover if you want to run .exes.
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Third party software.

Thirdly, and this is the most painfully obvious, .exes do not run on OSX because of the vast differences in those two operating systems and the different directions Apple and Microsoft choose. They are not the result of a conscious effort to make .exes incompatible with OSX, unlike Apples efforts here.
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I couldn't care less the differences. The point has gone so far over your head that it hit the Clarke orbit.

Running .exe files requires third party software. Running all other devices that sync with iTunes requires third party software. Palm needs to use this software rather than advertising a now nonexistent exploit in iTunes.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE POINT. HOW YOU COULD HAVE MISSED THAT, I WILL NEVER KNOW.

Now stop trolling.
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*ahem* "No, you."
 
If Microsoft was doing what Apple was then I'm sure you'd hear a lot more complaints on this forum. It's Apple's software and they are entitled to do what they want with it but you can't deny that Apple likes to kill its competitors when they have the chance (they've done it over the years with some of their products). This bias that Apple can do no wrong is evident.

iTunes is the primary music/multimedia handler on the Mac. Heck it comes preinstalled on every new Mac so it already has an advantage over others (similar to what Microsoft does with IE and Windows Media player). At least WMP lets a variety of handheld devices sync with it.

I regard Apple just as 'evil' as some say Microsoft is but I still enjoy their products. However I'm not a delusional fanboy that can never see anything wrong in Apple's aggressive strategies.

At least let the Palm sync peoples' music! It's not like it can use the apps in the store! Sheesh....
 
peestandingup said:
Apple is more "Microsoft" than Microsoft ever thought about being.

Meaning at least MS is open to letting 3rd parties access their stuff. Apple is basically as closed & proprietary as you can get.
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Third parties can access iTunes libraries - iTunes even generates an XML to to that. Apple has tons of their SDK wide open to allow people to develop many different programs without restriction on their desktop. RIM's mac program does this quite nicely so I understand.

Of course the iPhone is a walled garden that requires Apples permission to use, but outside of that, Apple ectively encourages its programmers to exploit core areas of their system to create great programs.

But like any company, there are areas that should be understood to be a no-no. But MS has many areas that are restricted. Thats par for the course.

Provide specific examples where Apple has said that third parties cannot develop support for their own devices.
 
macnerd77 said:
the best part about the upgrade notes is
"iTunes 8.2.1 provides a number of important bug fixes and addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices."

I think it is great that apple is blocking other devices from using itunes. The only reason these devices can even truly try to use itunes is because apple has removed DRM. If you want to use itunes then get an iPhone!!!!
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The stupidity and short-sightedness in this thread is sad.

Apple is using their might in one market - media management, to influence and knock down competitors in another market.

This is just what Microsoft have done in the past, and got a slap on the wrist for.

It really isn't in Apple's interests to go through a monopoly trial, and Europe has already shown it is willing to fine companies vast amounts for acting in ways that actively harm consumers.

Apple should have the balls to let competitors in the mobile arena utilise its systems in the software arena, instead of acting like the petulant bully boy it is with this contemptuous and deliberate blocking of the Pre.
 
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Palm should develop their own media management software, they should call pr-unes.
 
peestandingup said:
Apple is more "Microsoft" than Microsoft ever thought about being.

Meaning at least MS is open to letting 3rd parties access their stuff. Apple is basically as closed & proprietary as you can get.
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Or to clarify further:

MS makes almost all of their money by selling to 3rd party corporations. Apple makes almost all of their money by selling to consumers.

As a result, MS is open to supporting their many corporate partners and allies. And will bury them, legally or otherwise, at the drop of a hat. (I bet third parties LOVE that kind of "open.")

Meanwhile, Apple is in an entirely different business. Concerned with what USERS want, not with what third parties want. (Yep, that means a lot is closed to them.)

And no, that doesn't mean every user always gets what he wants from Apple. Does every Microsoft user get what they want? The end result is Apple being a lot more consumer-friendly than Microsoft, despite those (Ballmer on down) who try to make things somehow look like the reverse is true.

And both, in the end, are on the side of shareholders' money.
 
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