Is there no common sense in here. The odds being that high against it make it damn near impossible. Would you jump out of a plane with no parachute sure it is "possible" to survive but given the odds I wouldn't risk it.
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All iPads I've Gone Through 6 iPad rMini B/C Screen Issues - Suggestions?
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Is there no common sense in here. The odds being that high against it make it damn near impossible. Would you jump out of a plane with no parachute sure it is "possible" to survive but given the odds I wouldn't risk it.
This makes no sense to me. I have bought dozens of apple products, and not a single bad screen.
Your probably not crazy
It took mr purchasing 4 Airs befor I got two worth keeping. On had nicks and scratches on the back with a mediocre screen and the other was too yellow. On my last exchange I actually bought two airs to replace one so I wouldn't I wouldn't have to make another trip. The first one I opened was good enough so the second is still sealed and ready for return. Of the two retinas I bought for the kids, one is good and is getting exchanged.
It took mr purchasing 4 Airs befor I got two worth keeping. On had nicks and scratches on the back with a mediocre screen and the other was too yellow. On my last exchange I actually bought two airs to replace one so I wouldn't I wouldn't have to make another trip. The first one I opened was good enough so the second is still sealed and ready for return. Of the two retinas I bought for the kids, one is good and is getting exchanged.
OP, can you post photos of your "pretty bad backlight leaking"? Post a normally exposed photo of your iPad playing video in letterbox format and show us this bad leaking on the black edges. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT, post a long-exposure photo of a screen with just a black background taken in a completely dark room.
Why is is so bloody difficult for people to accept that some people have a higher sensitivity for displays with uneven lighting or color? Since when are all people freaking identical?
If I see 50 bad ipad screens and you see nothing wrong with any of them, I don't ask you what your problem is, but you accuse me of having one?
My problem is that I am visually tuned to a different frequency than you. So what?
Your problem is that you assume that anyone who exists outside your level of awareness is some kind of OCD freak.
The world is FULL of people with heightened sensitivities. Chefs. Musicians. Animal trainers. Photographers. Surgeons. Designers. The world would be a pretty miserable place without those people and others like them who are the expert eyes, noses, ears, and touches for the rest of us.
For my part, I am a photo retoucher. I work all day on photographs for advertising and magazines. Our studio works closely with photographers and art directors, making dozens and dozens of minute +/-1% changes to photos, to fulfill their vision. We might work for 50 hours on a single photo, and the average person might not even notice half of the nuanced changes we've made.
The kind of person who does this type of work for a living is the kind of person who is damn well going to notice that the entire left side of their iPad is 20% warmer in color than the left side. And it's going to bug them.
But here's the thing...photo retouchers are not born photo retouchers. The skills it takes to hold a job doing retouching can be learned, but sensitivity to, and a heightened awareness of color and light can be there from the day we are born.
Not everyone who has a complaint about their iPad is a photo retoucher by trade, but they might have been born with the same exact natural affinity for light and color that a photo retoucher has.
It's no different than your friend who is an amazing cook, who everyone says should be a chef. They have a natural flair for flavors. They might be pickier eaters. They might send food back to the kitchen at a restaurant. That doesn't make them OCD. They are living in a world of heightened senses, and it just happens to be in their mouth.
For some of us, it's in our eyes. So get over it and leave us alone. All you serve to do by yammering on and on about how those of us with iPad screen complaints are OCD, too picky, etc., is to make yourselves look utterly numb. If you are numb, great. Just sit back and relax, and the rest of the world will cook you food you can't taste, paint you paintings you can't see, play you music you can't hear, and show it all to you on iPads with two toned screens.
And you will think it's all fantastic, from Olive Garden, to Thomas Kinkade, to Justin Bieber, to yellow iPads...millions of happy customers can't possibly be wrong.
If I see 50 bad ipad screens and you see nothing wrong with any of them, I don't ask you what your problem is, but you accuse me of having one?
My problem is that I am visually tuned to a different frequency than you. So what?
Your problem is that you assume that anyone who exists outside your level of awareness is some kind of OCD freak.
The world is FULL of people with heightened sensitivities. Chefs. Musicians. Animal trainers. Photographers. Surgeons. Designers. The world would be a pretty miserable place without those people and others like them who are the expert eyes, noses, ears, and touches for the rest of us.
For my part, I am a photo retoucher. I work all day on photographs for advertising and magazines. Our studio works closely with photographers and art directors, making dozens and dozens of minute +/-1% changes to photos, to fulfill their vision. We might work for 50 hours on a single photo, and the average person might not even notice half of the nuanced changes we've made.
The kind of person who does this type of work for a living is the kind of person who is damn well going to notice that the entire left side of their iPad is 20% warmer in color than the left side. And it's going to bug them.
But here's the thing...photo retouchers are not born photo retouchers. The skills it takes to hold a job doing retouching can be learned, but sensitivity to, and a heightened awareness of color and light can be there from the day we are born.
Not everyone who has a complaint about their iPad is a photo retoucher by trade, but they might have been born with the same exact natural affinity for light and color that a photo retoucher has.
It's no different than your friend who is an amazing cook, who everyone says should be a chef. They have a natural flair for flavors. They might be pickier eaters. They might send food back to the kitchen at a restaurant. That doesn't make them OCD. They are living in a world of heightened senses, and it just happens to be in their mouth.
For some of us, it's in our eyes. So get over it and leave us alone. All you serve to do by yammering on and on about how those of us with iPad screen complaints are OCD, too picky, etc., is to make yourselves look utterly numb. If you are numb, great. Just sit back and relax, and the rest of the world will cook you food you can't taste, paint you paintings you can't see, play you music you can't hear, and show it all to you on iPads with two toned screens.
And you will think it's all fantastic, from Olive Garden, to Thomas Kinkade, to Justin Bieber, to yellow iPads...millions of happy customers can't possibly be wrong.
iPad is a consumer product. Everything has specs and tolerances, and if a product's specs are within tolerances of millions of people, but outside of your heightened tolerances... well, frankly, nobody gives a $#|t. If you're at a party and everyone is having a great time and enjoying food and drinks and you come and taste food and think it's terrible... well, just go away, find a different party.
I've looked at dozens of iPads at the stores, and have owned dozens of Apple products over the years, and never seen a yellow screen, and all my purchases have always been impeccable, ZERO (0) returns. I have no doubt, however, that if some OCD like you examined my gadgets, they'd find dozens of yellow screens, millions of missing gamuts, dead pixels, dents, scuffs, dinasaur DNA antimatter, marcian life ad infinum
I just ordered a Kindle HDX myself. I am returning the iPad retina mini because it has dust under the screen and some backlight bleed. The bleed isn't too bad so I would have kept but now I can't unsee the dust!!! Debating if I exchange... I had had previously exchanged iPad air because it was blotchy yellow...
Strange, I had the same experience. I was very shocked to see the iPad Mini Retina was 100% uniform, but saddened by the dust under screen and image retention. I wonder if there's a bunch like this, I think someone else said it as well in another thread.
On the same token... Imagine your client has much higher sensitivity than you and when you send your work they return it saying that its warmer in color than they expected. You try to please then and retouch it again for free. They're not happy again. You can't see it, but it's 0.043587% warmer pixel right there! You spend your time again, for free. But they still can see the imperfections you can't see. They do it SEVEN times and still not happy. And you still didn't get paid.
What do you say now?
Even if one has heightened senses, sending back food once is an issue, and sending it back 6 times is completely narcissistic. Same with iPad's.
Another great post. I don't know if I have heightened senses, but I sure recognize a yellow screen when I see one and I saw 3 on the iPad Airs that I returned and I sure can see the slight yellow tinge on the bottom left of the one I am keeping. And funny that I can't find any fault with the screen on my iPad 4. Someone with OCD ought to be able to find a flaw if they look hard enough and I just haven't been able to.
Our studio, like Apple, has several rounds of back and forth with the customer built into the price. We do not work for free. And rare is the image that is approved by the client at version 1. Seven rounds is a daily occurrence. 20 rounds is not unheard of. It's either factored into the initial estimate, or renegotiated as the job grows.
I always get a kick out of people who decide Apple needs them to protect them from serial returners. Apple wears big boy pants. They can take care of themselves.
These debates always unfold the same way. People complain about a defect. Defenders say it's not a widespread problem, you're being too picky, relax, etc. then when they get wind that more people are complaining, they start to change their tune to "you are driving up the prices with all your returns!"
So which is it? Defects are minor problems affecting .001% of customers, or defects are creating a return wave that is hurting Apple's bottom line? It can't be both.
iPad is a consumer product. Everything has specs and tolerances, and if a product's specs are within tolerances of millions of people, but outside of your heightened tolerances... well, frankly, nobody gives a $#|t. If you're at a party and everyone is having a great time and enjoying food and drinks and you come and taste food and think it's terrible... well, just go away, find a different party.
I've looked at dozens of iPads at the stores, and have owned dozens of Apple products over the years, and never seen a yellow screen, and all my purchases have always been impeccable, ZERO (0) returns. I have no doubt, however, that if some OCD like you examined my gadgets, they'd find dozens of yellow screens, millions of missing gamuts, dead pixels, dents, scuffs, dinasaur DNA antimatter, marcian life ad infinum
Funny thing is, Apple does give a s***t. Their entire design studio is full of exacting people just like me, and people who would make me look like a completely blind slob. Apple hires nothing less than A players. They are likely livid at the compromises their devices see in production.
Google can put an evenly colored retina-like screen in a $250 Nexus 7. If we all accept a lesser product for double the money from Apple, and don't inspect it for flaws, and don't hold them to the level of perfection they have set for themselves, then we are suckers, and they know it. And the bigger they get, the more corners they will cut, and the more rope we give them, the more they will pull.
If you don't see issues with your Apple products, great. Like I said, the people who do will go to bat for you. We'll call Apple out on their lax QC so you never have to. But if you don't see a problem with your 20 iPads, don't complain that other people do. You are doing yourself a disservice. People who keep returning bad products are keeping Apple on their toes, one iPad at a time.
I agree. What hacks me off is just as you say. Apple have the 'best' product, charge a premium but can't seem to get their screens of the same quality as Amazon or Google whose products are on average half the price. Something doesn't add up.
I guess it must be related in some way to the manufacturing process combined with their business model of margin on the hardware rather than content. So cost is the primary driver of their poor quality I would think.
And how many of them have been retina screens, especially in the last year?
I've been through 3 iPads airs and only one has a decent screen (still not perfectly consistent).
One iPad mini has a shadow on top and image retention issue.
Compared mine to those at apple store, and 3/4 have spathe shadow problem and yellow tinged on the left side. Both stores consistently 3/4. It's weird. I am 2/3 (3/4 if you count the mini retina).
Your eyesight may not be as good, or you may not be as picky. I'm 20/20 and a trained engineer and lawyer. I scrutinize everything.
The problems are real and widespread. Most people just don't care or know. Look at your typical customer. They would never guess to even check tint issues. I sure didn't on my iPad 3. I just thought apple produced flawless stuff because my mbp was so great.
I'm very picky as well. All of these devices purchased have been retina screens. All have been perfect right out of the box. No fading, yellowing, retention, dead spots, or anything else.
So if the Air or mini cost 1/2 of what it does now, would everyone be as concerned about chasing the elusive "perfect" screen? Just trying to figure out where the relentless pursuit of seemingly entitled (and somewhat arbitrary) perfection comes from.
I also wonder at what point people just give up as well. I see so many posts where people are borderline irate that they've gone through n units where each had some thing that wasn't just right. At what point is it no longer worth it?
I also wonder at what point people just give up as well. I see so many posts where people are borderline irate that they've gone through n units where each had some thing that wasn't just right. At what point is it no longer worth it?
I'm sorry but I don't really see how you're making the world a better place by being a picky customer. If you don't like the product buy something else. Or even better yet start a company that makes the product you want. Then you can complete with the likes of Apple and Google and possibility make a difference.
The bottom line is that iPad's are a consumer grade product and the quality of their screen satisfies 98% of the consumers. Don't confuse Apple's lenient return policy as a validation that Apple acknowledges your concerns. Apple has lenient return policy because it can product an iPad for $200 and resell it for $500. If someone returns it because of an unsatisfactory screen Apple can flip it as a refurb for $450 and still cut a nice profit.