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So if the Air or mini cost 1/2 of what it does now, would everyone be as concerned about chasing the elusive "perfect" screen? Just trying to figure out where the relentless pursuit of seemingly entitled (and somewhat arbitrary) perfection comes from.

I also wonder at what point people just give up as well. I see so many posts where people are borderline irate that they've gone through n units where each had some thing that wasn't just right. At what point is it no longer worth it?

It's getting not worth it in my book when you try multiple outlets across a few weeks. If this doesn't produce an acceptable device I guess it means that Apple can't make one of a quality I'm happy with. And then I reluctantly move to a competitor device that can best meet my overall needs including screen integrity.
 
It's getting not worth it in my book when you try multiple outlets across a few weeks. If this doesn't produce an acceptable device I guess it means that Apple can't make one of a quality I'm happy with. And then I reluctantly move to a competitor device that can best meet my overall needs including screen integrity.

No one would fault you for going that direction.
 
iPad is a consumer product. Everything has specs and tolerances, and if a product's specs are within tolerances of millions of people, but outside of your heightened tolerances... well, frankly, nobody gives a $#|t. If you're at a party and everyone is having a great time and enjoying food and drinks and you come and taste food and think it's terrible... well, just go away, find a different party.

I've looked at dozens of iPads at the stores, and have owned dozens of Apple products over the years, and never seen a yellow screen, and all my purchases have always been impeccable, ZERO (0) returns. I have no doubt, however, that if some OCD like you examined my gadgets, they'd find dozens of yellow screens, millions of missing gamuts, dead pixels, dents, scuffs, dinasaur DNA antimatter, marcian life ad infinum :D

A google search easily brings up from various sites that the Yellow screens/tints are indeed a problem.

Unless of course it's all a conspiracy, and it's one single google/MS fanboy making all of these posts.

If you want to live with a flawed product, that's fine, all the power to you.

Some of us simply cannot use a display that our own eyes tell us is way off.

That's not even mentioning resale value.

Who would want to pay me anything near what I paid for my iGadget a year from now if it has scuffs, dents, dead pixels, or a terrible yellow screen?

Oh, I know, You will!!

Remind me to write you next year, and I'll sell you my 5S! I'll make sure to drop it a few times and rough it up for good measure. ;)

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I'm very picky as well. All of these devices purchased have been retina screens. All have been perfect right out of the box. No fading, yellowing, retention, dead spots, or anything else.

So. Because you received a good product, none of the millions of other devices sold can be flawed?

God complex much?

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So if the Air or mini cost 1/2 of what it does now, would everyone be as concerned about chasing the elusive "perfect" screen? Just trying to figure out where the relentless pursuit of seemingly entitled (and somewhat arbitrary) perfection comes from.

I also wonder at what point people just give up as well. I see so many posts where people are borderline irate that they've gone through n units where each had some thing that wasn't just right. At what point is it no longer worth it?

For me it was no longer worth it after going through several iPad 3's all with issues. Kept my last one, sold it at a loss, and got a 1st Gen. Mini.

That mini restored my faith in Apple, as the screen was quite nice.

After buying a single retina mini with a flawed screen, that was enough for me.

I decided to return for a refund, I will not be Apple's QC a second time.


Maybe a few months down the road I'll try again.

Maybe.
 
I'm very picky as well. All of these devices purchased have been retina screens. All have been perfect right out of the box. No fading, yellowing, retention, dead spots, or anything else.

And your eyesight? How many products?

It's readily observable in store. Two stores, consistent results. Not to mention the threads here and apple discussion forums.

I got a decent one. I've seen decent ones. No one is denying they exist. People are only saying there are bad ones. That is a fact. Documented by pictures, and can be verified in person.

You want to believe the drying glue, purposefully warm tuning theories be my guest. But to deny bad units by saying you got a good one is preposterous.
 
And your eyesight? How many products?

It's readily observable in store. Two stores, consistent results. Not to mention the threads here and apple discussion forums.

I got a decent one. I've seen decent ones. No one is denying they exist. People are only saying there are bad ones. That is a fact. Documented by pictures, and can be verified in person.

You want to believe the drying glue, purposefully warm tuning theories be my guest. But to deny bad units by saying you got a good one is preposterous.

Eye sight is fine. Have had three or four of the retina macbook pros through here about about 10 ipad airs and retina minis.

Are you over reacting maybe?
 
light bleed is probably the most overblown issue i have ever seen on macrumors. most LED stuff i've come across has light bleeding because LED lights are on the edge of the screen. Now if the light bleeding was immense where it's like 50% brighter than the rest of the screen, then yes, but if you ran a black screen test, i'd bet 90% of the led screens out there has light bleed.

but it won't affect you in any way.
 
This makes no sense to me. I have bought dozens of apple products, and not a single bad screen.

You're lucky then. I have never returned any computer/electronic - except for Apple stuff. I have pretty consistently ended up with terrible screens on Macbook Pros and iPads (my iPad 3 experience almost put me off Apple entirely). At this point, I actually expect Apple's screens to look worse than the other tech I buy. I love Apple software, but I'm not so enamored with their hardware.
 
You're lucky then. I have never returned any computer/electronic - except for Apple stuff. I have pretty consistently ended up with terrible screens on Macbook Pros and iPads (my iPad 3 experience almost put me off Apple entirely). At this point, I actually expect Apple's screens to look worse than the other tech I buy. I love Apple software, but I'm not so enamored with their hardware.

100% the opposite here. I won't touch other hardware. About a decade ago I had the choice of having to buy my own Mac or run a windows machine that the company I was consulting for would buy. Told them to keep their money.
 
Try and find an F4KL serial. I think at last I have an acceptable one. Screen whiter and more even than any I have seen. Seem to be coming from resellers and not Apple which so far for me has been DLXL. Mine came from John Lewis in the UK today Week 46 still with iOS 7.03.

F4KL is Pegatron and not Foxconn.
 
Try and find an F4KL serial. I think at last I have an acceptable one. Screen whiter and more even than any I have seen. Seem to be coming from resellers and not Apple which so far for me has been DLXL. Mine came from John Lewis in the UK today Week 46 still with iOS 7.03.

F4KL is Pegatron and not Foxconn.

Congratulations!
 
Can someone explain to me why these issues are not decernable in the store?

Why does one have to buy 3 or 6 units, and take it home to decide?

Why cant you open it in the store, inspect, and refuse or accept??

I mean you all have keen eyes, and when you return the unit I presume you can show the genius the issue(s), right?

So why not open in the store?

Or worst case, walk to your car (or into the mall), inspect and then return on the spot for another.
 
Can someone explain to me why these issues are not decernable in the store?

Why does one have to buy 3 or 6 units, and take it home to decide?

Why cant you open it in the store, inspect, and refuse or accept??

I mean you all have keen eyes, and when you return the unit I presume you can show the genius the issue(s), right?

So why not open in the store?

Or worst case, walk to your car (or into the mall), inspect and then return on the spot for another.
What fun would that be and then what posts would we read?
 
iPad is a consumer product. Everything has specs and tolerances, and if a product's specs are within tolerances of millions of people, but outside of your heightened tolerances... well, frankly, nobody gives a $#|t. If you're at a party and everyone is having a great time and enjoying food and drinks and you come and taste food and think it's terrible... well, just go away, find a different party.

I've looked at dozens of iPads at the stores, and have owned dozens of Apple products over the years, and never seen a yellow screen, and all my purchases have always been impeccable, ZERO (0) returns. I have no doubt, however, that if some OCD like you examined my gadgets, they'd find dozens of yellow screens, millions of missing gamuts, dead pixels, dents, scuffs, dinasaur DNA antimatter, marcian life ad infinum :D

+1 Best post in the thread!
 
Not sure if this matters but I thought it was really odd. I ordered my wifi rMini the night they were released and for a couple weeks I kept getting crashing and screen issues where random icons would just be subdued. I called this last Saturday and they emailed me an iOS diagnostic tool that sent them info from my mini. They immediately said I should return it or exchange it. I told them I'd be willing to exchange it and then the AppleCare rep offered some iHome stereo that was like $120 for my trouble, I asked if I could just get bumped to a 32gb or cellular model and they said yes, which one did I want. I opted for the cellular 16gb. FedEx picked it up Saturday and the new mini was delivered yesterday! No issues so far with the new one from Foxconn (week 47) but man I can tell the difference in weight between the wifi & cellular model!
 
Can someone explain to me why these issues are not decernable in the store?

Why does one have to buy 3 or 6 units, and take it home to decide?

Why cant you open it in the store, inspect, and refuse or accept??

I mean you all have keen eyes, and when you return the unit I presume you can show the genius the issue(s), right?

So why not open in the store?

Or worst case, walk to your car (or into the mall), inspect and then return on the spot for another.

Yes, some people are very sensitive and they congregate here like dark matter. I had a rMini and I thought the screen looked a bit off. I was prodded by the people here to exchange it. Before I did that I took it to an Apple store just to be sure and the screen was definitively off. I exchanged it and now I'm a happy chappy!
 
Can someone explain to me why these issues are not decernable in the store?

Why does one have to buy 3 or 6 units, and take it home to decide?

Why cant you open it in the store, inspect, and refuse or accept??

I mean you all have keen eyes, and when you return the unit I presume you can show the genius the issue(s), right?

So why not open in the store?

Or worst case, walk to your car (or into the mall), inspect and then return on the spot for another.

Some people believe it or not bought it through the online store, and do replacements over the phone.

I agree though, a store buy is the best bet for instant gratification, unless you get a prick for a genius.

I'm no longer buying launch day online.

Oh, and you don't get to open it before you buy it. In my experience, you must purchase first, then do a return.
 
Some people believe it or not bought it through the online store, and do replacements over the phone.

I agree though, a store buy is the best bet for instant gratification, unless you get a prick for a genius.

I'm no longer buying launch day online.

Oh, and you don't get to open it before you buy it. In my experience, you must purchase first, then do a return.

So buy, stand there, open it, keep or return. Repeat until desired quality reached or ejected from store. :D
 
Agree with previous poster. Oddly enough, every Apple device I have purchased over the years, has been perfect. from the iPhone 4, 5 an 5s, to my 2011 iMac, to my iPad 2, 4, Air and rMini. All flawless on first attempt. Of course, I dont run silly tests to see if I have image retention, etc.

This has been the case for me too. I have a 2012 cMBP, iPad 1, iPad 2, and iPad 3, and all were perfect, at least to start, the iPad 2 developed IR which then got worse over time. But, I do agree about the not running test thing. If those tests never existed, I doubt anyone would even know their device was "bad"
 
Funny thing is, Apple does give a s***t. Their entire design studio is full of exacting people just like me, and people who would make me look like a completely blind slob. Apple hires nothing less than A players. They are likely livid at the compromises their devices see in production.

Google can put an evenly colored retina-like screen in a $250 Nexus 7. If we all accept a lesser product for double the money from Apple, and don't inspect it for flaws, and don't hold them to the level of perfection they have set for themselves, then we are suckers, and they know it. And the bigger they get, the more corners they will cut, and the more rope we give them, the more they will pull.

If you don't see issues with your Apple products, great. Like I said, the people who do will go to bat for you. We'll call Apple out on their lax QC so you never have to. But if you don't see a problem with your 20 iPads, don't complain that other people do. You are doing yourself a disservice. People who keep returning bad products are keeping Apple on their toes, one iPad at a time.

Hits the nail on the head. Give apple an inch and they will take a mile. Dont let them slip. Keep the pressure on them and they will crack the whip on their chinese factorys. I have had stuff replaced by apple and you gotta stick to your guns when they say its within spec cause thats bs. They got plenty of stock to work with to get you an acceptable product.
 
I've Gone Through 6 iPad rMini B/C Screen Issues - Suggestions?

So buy, stand there, open it, keep or return. Repeat until desired quality reached or ejected from store. :D

This is exactly what I did with a rMini and Air. Both were good so I have no complaints, but I did point out the screen being yellowish on one half of a display unit and colors looking less vibrant on the rMini unit. No one really noticed until I pointed it out and even then most didn't care, I do art and can easily see the differences and it irritated me instantly, so I know there are bad screens out there.

I would have stood there and opened 2-3 though before walking out and then getting home only to be upset. I actually had a BB manager and geek squad guy open the pack for me. They were cool about it, said they would return it too if it were them and they seen a problem.
 
PLEASE STOP!

As you are raising the cost of Apple products to all of us!:mad:

I can't find fault with returning a product multiple times if there is something wrong with it. Where is the outcry here about all the people who buy 2 of something just to try for awhile with plans to return one? That seems to be pretty common on this forum. Not only are people doing it but they recommend the practice to others. Then there are those who borrow the iPad Air from Apple while waiting for the mini to become available. Seems to me this could raise the costs of Apple products for all of us too.
 
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PLEASE STOP!

As you are raising the cost of Apple products to all of us!:mad:



Actually, it could save you money because you could pick up a perfectly good unit in Apple's refurb store. I'm pretty sure Apple is still turns a profit in the whole deal however it cuts into their profit margin.
 
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