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I loved the movie. Could care less about Cameron's views of my country though, as I really don't care for it much though either. I do thank my
country for paying for my college education though.

Thats about it.
 
I loved the movie but it messed up my eye.
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I saw it today. 3D was a headache inducing waste of time. The challenge is that while it gives you the ability to perceive depth, it DOESN'T give you the ability to enjoy that depth, because you can ONLY look at what's in focus, and if you look at the things out of focus, your eyes will strain and you get a headache. I do - massively. I came out of it as if I'd been reading a book for 10hrs straight.

I totally agree with this.

Overall I think the movie is worth seeing because it's absolutely gorgeous. But other than the visual aspect of it there's nothing really remarkable about it.
 
I just read an interesting article that mentioned that as part of motion capture, the Avatar actors wore a minicamera that recorded all of their facial expressions and eye movements. This is why their faces look so real. I did not verify but it seems like this is the first movie to do this.

It's a leap in technology that is likely to garner an Academy award.

Yep thats exactly how they did it. There is a video on youtube showing the making of it, which shows the scene where Natiri is arguing with Jake, where she calls him a baby. It shows you the finished scene next to the bit with the real actors.

Not many things make my jaw drop but that did!! Amazing technology! :eek:
 
Yep thats exactly how they did it. There is a video on youtube showing the making of it, which shows the scene where Natiri is arguing with Jake, where she calls him a baby. It shows you the finished scene next to the bit with the real actors.

Not many things make my jaw drop but that did!! Amazing technology! :eek:

I'm looking for that video now...here- several minutes into it.

You can now call me a full fledged fan boy. We went back to see it a second time on IMAX 3D. I have been a critic of 3D for many years now. However, if you have never seen 3D, have not been to an IMAX lately, don't mind spending $15 per ticket, this is the movie you should see at IMAX 3D. It was completely terrific, striking me as an epochal movie that will change the way movies are made. It is what movies like Final Fantasy were trying to achieve, but did not. I really liked that the plain of action on the screen seemed about 10' away from me visually. Contrary to others who have reported in this thread, I did not get any headaches or blurry vision.

Besides a technology Academy Award, I feel confident that this movie is competitive for both Cinematography and possible a Best Picture Award. The story is solid although not original. The moon called Pandora is incredible.

As far as comments about Cameron picking on the human race, you can consider this a cautionary tail. Comments about "they killed their mother", "the green is gone", "they can go back to their dying world" is not said out of hate, it comes from the perspective of an environmentalist who wants to see the good parts of the Earth preserved. I grew up in an area, Washington D.C., Maryland, and Northern Virginia, that in my opinion has been ruined by development. This kind of message registers with me.

It's a pro-environmental movie, that if nothing else might make you think about the value of the Earth, our home and wonder how much of if it should be cut down, paved over, and used up as a commodity for profits. My analogy is taking your home apart piece by piece and selling it for profits until you just have a concrete slab left to live on.

I'd like to clarify that although the theme in this story is not original, as it has happened several times throughout human history and been told in the movies before- the technically advanced take advantage of the natives and the hero goes native. But I'll propose that everything else is original, the setting, the characters, Pandora, the fauna, flora, the circumstances, the specifics, and the resolution. After thinking about it, although you could say it's Dances With Wolves, because it shares the theme, from the story details it qualifies as an original story IMO.

Regarding movies filmed 100% on a set, in the past I have been critical- 300 and Sin City I disliked because I knew most of the background was fake and it was too stylized, they turned me off. Here is an example where you have a movie created completely in a warehouse but it takes place in a photo realistic world. It is amazing what they have done in this movie. :)
 
'Avatar' replacing 'Titanic'

'Avatar' replacing 'Titanic' in record books

"Avatar" was on the cusp of replacing "Titanic" as the biggest movie of all time after it logged a sixth consecutive weekend as the top choice of moviegoers worldwide, distributor 20th Century Fox said on Sunday.

The total for James Cameron's sci-fi spectacular rose to $1.841 billion, just shy of the seemingly insurmountable $1.843 billion racked up by the director's "Titanic" in 1997-1998.

Already "Avatar" claimed the all-time international total with sales to date of $1.288 billion, eclipsing the $1.242 billion haul of "Titanic."

In North America, it may have to wait another two weeks to sail past the $601 million total of "Titanic," the News Corp -owned studio said. Moviegoers in North America and Canada have chipped in $552.8 million, enough to replace 2008's "The Dark Knight" ($533 million) as the second-biggest movie of all time.

Data are not adjusted for inflation, and "Avatar" ticket sales got an additional boost from premium pricing for 3-D screenings. Imax Corp said its big-screen engagements have sold a record $134 million worth of tickets worldwide.

The biggest movie of all time in North America -- adjusted for inflation -- is 1939's "Gone with the Wind," with sales of almost $1.5 billion, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo. "Avatar" ranks at No. 26 by that measure.

During the latest weekend, "Avatar" earned $36 million in North America and $107 million internationally, far outpacing other offerings.

It was trailed in North America by Screen Gems' new supernatural action thriller "Legion" at No. 2 with $18.2 million, while Warner Bros' Denzel Washington drama "The Book of Eli" slipped to No. 3 with $17 million in its second weekend. Screen Gems is a unit of Sony Corp, and Warner Bros is a unit of Time Warner Inc.

Two other films opened in the top-10: Fox's Dwayne Johnson family film "The Tooth Fairy" at No. 4 with a promising $14.5 million, and nascent studio CBS Films' Harrison Ford medical drama "Extraordinary Measures" at No. 7 with a disappointing $7 million.
 
I hate this type of figure. It makes no sense to keep track of record sales unless the revenue quoted is adjusted for inflation. Even then, the revenue should actually be adjusted for average ticket price. Since the increased cost of a movie ticket outpaced inflation for quite awhile. Prices may not have increased much over the last few years, but when compared to movie prices from the 1990s, it had almost doubled (where I live).
 
And they're both rubbish.

Avatar much more so than Titanic.

And I agree, without 3D costs and inflation and average ticket price taken into account what's the point? The figures mean nothing really.
 
And in another 10 years another film will repalce Avatar because the cost of going to the movies will be that more to make the goal easily attainable.

These types of comparisons makes little sense because you're not adjusting the figures for inflation.

I'd like to see how this stacks up to gone with the wind, and star wars, both of which produced huge ticket sales but at a time when ticket sales were only a percentage of what they are now. Something like a nickle for the first and 3 bucks for star wars.
 
Avatar much more so than Titanic.

It's particularly surprising to me, because at least, I remember that people generally liked Titanic -- I mean, I thought it was watchable, if not amazing. I haven't seen Avatar yet, but I'm not really hearing anyone much say they actually liked the movie. People are just being drawn to it like moths to flame.

Maflynn and others -- as of about a week ago, Avatar was around the 20s-to-30s in the all-time inflation adjusted numbers (link -- 34th as of the 19th). Gone With The Wind's inflation-adjusted number is $6B, some three times what Avatar is predicted to hit. EDIT: Never mind, just like the #26 it was pegged at in the OP, this is domestic US as well, and not worldwide.
 
These types of comparisons makes little sense because you're not adjusting the figures for inflation..

You didn't even read the OP did you.

"The biggest movie of all time in North America -- adjusted for inflation -- is 1939's "Gone with the Wind," with sales of almost $1.5 billion, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo. "Avatar" ranks at No. 26 by that measure."
 
"The biggest movie of all time in North America -- adjusted for inflation -- is 1939's "Gone with the Wind," with sales of almost $1.5 billion, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo. "Avatar" ranks at No. 26 by that measure."

That site does not adjust for inflation. They translate the original average ticket price into the current average ticket price.
 
Well I read the original post, but it's not necessarily adjusted in a way that's meaningful to me either.

The question should be, "How many tickets were sold?" In other words, how many pairs of eyes saw the film at the cinema?
 
The question should be, "How many tickets were sold?" In other words, how many pairs of eyes saw the film at the cinema?

That would be what that mojo site is computing. But I don't think that comparison makes sense for talking profits as now one should also count revenue from TV stations, DVDs, and merchandising (and online!).
 
And they're both rubbish.

Could you clarify? If it is your opinion that these movies (Titanic and Avatar) are rubbish, I can accept that as an opinion. I've found both of these movies in addition to all previous Cameron movies I've seen (Terminator2, Abyss, Aliens, TrueLies, Titanic) to be top quality entertainment. The man is a world class movie maker, some might say a movie making genius, with an eye to detail, and the ability to consistently create compelling spectacular movie going experiences, imo. :)

Last Sat we went to the locat IMAX, a month after the movie was released and it was a sold out performance. That is a very unusual and infrequent occurrence with your run of the mill movie.
 
Could you clarify? If it is your opinion that these movies (Titanic and Avatar) are rubbish, I can accept that as an opinion. I've found both of these movies in addition to all previous Cameron movies I've seen (Terminator2, Abyss, Aliens, TrueLies, Titanic) to be top quality entertainment. The man is a world class movie maker, some might say a movie making genius, with an eye to detail, and the ability to consistently create compelling spectacular movie going experiences, imo. :)

I find Titanic kind of dull, but watchable enough. Don't think it's really deserving of its Blockbuster status though.

I don't want to start on another Avatar rant but IMO there was hardly anything right with the film.

I thought the 3D was a pain - it seemed to constantly shift my focus from the main events, like someone would walk past where the main characters were talking in 2D and the top of the passer by's head or ear or something would jump out in 3D. And I found that having the 3D plants etc cut off by the bottom of the screen made me much more aware that I was watching a screen instead of letting me become immersed in the film. And my glasses dulled the colours down. Basically it distracted me. If I do have to put myself through it again it'll be in 2D

There was nothing special about the dialogue or the plot or the characters and I was bored stupid because it was also overlong (3 hours?! for a computerised version of Pocahontas/Ferngully?!). So I spent that time sliding my glasses down my nose and feeling pissed at how washed out the glasses made the colours look, and thinking about all the little plot annoyances that you have to let go to enjoy a film. I've not found anyone who actually thought it was good.
 
I've not found anyone who actually thought it was good.

I thought it was good but I respect your opinion. As a rule do you like Sci-fi?

I've been a pretty harsh critique of 3D up till now. As you know (by my previous posts), I was pleasantly surprised at the IMAX theater. 3D adds something, but prior to Avatar, I mostly thought it added distractions. There have been reports of people getting headaches. I read a report that said if you don't have 20-20 distant vision in both eyes, it might have that effect. I assume the idea is that people who wear glasses, just place the 3D glasses over them?

I don't like the extra charge for 3D nor having to wear glasses. I think mostly it is an excuse to raise ticket prices, but that could bite them. As ticket prices go up, more people will wait for the DVD.
 
I loved the movie. Could care less about Cameron's views of my country though, as I really don't care for it much though either. I do thank my
country for paying for my college education though.

Thats about it.
No one is begging you to stay... don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
What exactly are you trying to express?
That if he is so dissatisfied with his situation (i.e. living in the US), he should change it (i.e. move). Just like the Dante Hicks character in the movie Clerks, he like to complain a lot, but is unable to effect the change required to improve his life. He needs to "**** or get off the pot" as they say.
 
I thought it was good but I respect your opinion. As a rule do you like Sci-fi?

I've been a pretty harsh critique of 3D up till now. As you know (by my previous posts), I was pleasantly surprised at the IMAX theater. 3D adds something, but prior to Avatar, I mostly thought it added distractions. There have been reports of people getting headaches. I read a report that said if you don't have 20-20 distant vision in both eyes, it might have that effect. I assume the idea is that people who wear glasses, just place the 3D glasses over them?

Oh plenty of people on forums like it, my view seems to be a minority online, but people I actually know seem unimpressed. I'll happily watch/read sci-fi so it's not a genre problem. I just didn't find a single redeeming quality in the film. I knew it was going to be predictable from the trailer, but I was so bored during the film.

3D used to give me headaches. I got glasses and since then with my glasses and the 3D ones on top I'm fine. Causes my friends much amusement :cool: At the same time I did find it wearing to watch, because the 3D seemed to keep trying to make me focus on a 3D bit of foliage instead of the actors.
 
So you're the one. BTW I liked the film. :)

I don't have anything against it, per se -- I'll put it in my Netflix queue when it comes out on disc. But it doesn't look that interesting -- the holiday launch movie I really wanted to see was A Single Man (thoroughly brilliant), and I saw that. I also saw Up in the Air, which was not my choice (it was comme ci, comme ça).
 
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