Fair compensation in this instance being the rape of a country and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of its citizens? Ooops, is my agenda showing?
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James Cameron's 'Avatar'
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No, fair compensation being a conservative estimate of $4.5 trillion dollars.
Here.
Don't get me wrong, $4.5 trillion can never equal the innocent life lost as a result of the conflict.
Also, please keep in mind that I never said that an invasion was the right way to go about obtaining resources we desire. You would be mistaken to assume so.
I'm glad this movie got made, I love seeing people get reeeeeel fyre'd up!
Me, I just at some popcorn and enjoyed the spectacle.
Me too, almost as much as the spectacle of the hate filled conspiracy bollocks people manage to spin this in to in their own tiny minds. Aren't we lucky they share these thoughts with us all.
Never forget, the "lefty socialists" are all out to get you, and they shall do so though film!
"Look mommy, that man's face is all red and there's smoke coming out of his ears."
Seriously Nathan, take a deep breath and relax. There's nothing new under the sun. Human nature hasn't changed and as long as we have some way to communicate with each other we will be expressing our views on things.
I think part of the reason people are reacting to you and IntheNet so strongly is it sounds like you are presenting this as some big new outrage. Regardless of the specific type of media used, opinions and stories about man's greed, connection to the planet, stewardship of resources, cultural differences, social bonds, etc. etc. have been told for centuries. Ever heard of the Bible, Beowulf, the Iliad & Odyssey, the works of Da Vinci, the advancements of Thomas Edison or Albert Einstein, etc. etc..
I really hope you and IntheNet will pay close attention to this next part.
Everything man creates is a reflection of truth. Depending on your own beliefs you may disagree with the slant on that truth, but it is truth none the less. If taking a separatists mentality is your chosen coping method for dealing with things that you diagree with that is fine, but don't talk down to or rail against others who see truth differently than you do. For goodness sakes, we're talking about a movie here. If anything this should be a springboard for sharing ideas with others and building relationships as opposed to drawing battle lines and categorizing/labelling people.
As always, just my disposable thoughts.
Maybe you were thinking that people wouldn't be able to ignore a clichéd plot just because it was an aesthetically pleasing film...
Went to see it today. As expected it was spectacular, loved it. I have to say though that I don't see what the 3D actually did, it didn't make a difference whatsoever compared to Beowulf, I'll just be buying the 2D HD version when it's released.
We went to see it last night. It was alright The Matrix meets Dances With Wolves, if we're to make lazy comparisons to other films. We thought it was perhaps a little over long (as with most Hollywood blockbusters) and the plot was a little thin (as with most Hollywood blockbusters), but it was an entertaining way to spend the evening none the less.
I had a few concerns over the 3D and the glasses, and wearing them over my own (my eyesight is a tad on the poor side). Folk I'd asked about it had mentioned they'd been given quite large glasses that regular specs could be worn behind, so that seemed okay. In the end, the specs we were given were a bit smaller than the ones described, a bit more like 'traditional' 3D glasses from the olden days.
As a result, they were a bit uncomfortable and there were some points in the film where I had some real problems focussing, particularly where something is moving fast towards the viewer (the bit near the start where Phoebe's brother off Friends was practising his putting was one example, as the ball ran towards the camera I had to strain to focus on it). I dunno if that's due to wearing them with my regular glasses (with what is admittedly a pretty strong prescription) but it was a bit distracting at times and there were a few points where I had to take them off as my eyes were straining a bit. Generally though, they seemed to work okay.
Miss Jaffa Cake liked it too, the fact that there was a bit of kissing was a plus point from her point of view. I read that the DVD will feature a few extra scenes, including a bit of weird alien hair sex. Heh.
It didn't make me want to slit my wrists or run off and live in a tree, though.
I had a few concerns over the 3D and the glasses, and wearing them over my own (my eyesight is a tad on the poor side). Folk I'd asked about it had mentioned they'd been given quite large glasses that regular specs could be worn behind, so that seemed okay. In the end, the specs we were given were a bit smaller than the ones described, a bit more like 'traditional' 3D glasses from the olden days.
As a result, they were a bit uncomfortable and there were some points in the film where I had some real problems focussing, particularly where something is moving fast towards the viewer (the bit near the start where Phoebe's brother off Friends was practising his putting was one example, as the ball ran towards the camera I had to strain to focus on it). I dunno if that's due to wearing them with my regular glasses (with what is admittedly a pretty strong prescription) but it was a bit distracting at times and there were a few points where I had to take them off as my eyes were straining a bit. Generally though, they seemed to work okay.
Miss Jaffa Cake liked it too, the fact that there was a bit of kissing was a plus point from her point of view. I read that the DVD will feature a few extra scenes, including a bit of weird alien hair sex. Heh.
It didn't make me want to slit my wrists or run off and live in a tree, though.
I saw it today. 3D was a headache inducing waste of time. The challenge is that while it gives you the ability to perceive depth, it DOESN'T give you the ability to enjoy that depth, because you can ONLY look at what's in focus, and if you look at the things out of focus, your eyes will strain and you get a headache. I do - massively. I came out of it as if I'd been reading a book for 10hrs straight.
Ignoring that - it was a disappointment. I'd heard it lifted plot lines from other films. I had no idea just how bad it was. It ripped Dances with Wolves off wholesale, including the plot, sub plot, key characters, character conflicts. It lifted vast swathes of Medicine Man, almost line for line, shot for shot. It took gimmicks from LotR. Nothing, nothing was original in the plot, the script, the sub plots, the twists.
The Hammerhead-shark-a-soruses. Come on - the moment they warned him 'They're bullet proof' - it was OBVIOUS they would come back at the end like the trees marching back in LotR. The second they had a big bunch of thermal contacts "That's the Hammerhead things" I thought. BAMN - there they were.
The preachy undertones regarding the environment and the Iraq invasion were so blatant, they were offensive. I agree, in the main, with that message, but I don't want it in my face when I'm at the cinema wanting some escapism.
Unobtainium. Seriously - that's the best name you could come up with. My god it was pathetic. G-police helicopters....burning some sort of fuel, yet the atmosphere is so oxygen poor as to asphyxiate people. Low gravity - sure - but FLOATING mountains. What was the point of them. Nothing.
It, also, was quite obvious that Cameron wants a sequel out of this - and thus the lead two characters had to survive - thus there was never any genuine moments of peril - and any peril they had been in, you knew that spirits would just fix them. It was also obvious that their had to be SOME sacrifices, so Sigourney dying was quite obvious from the beginning. Furthermore, so was the defeat of the humans - as they were the 'evil' in this plot, and evil can not win.
The life on Pandora? Lifted, in bulk, from the deep oceans of the Earth, and the dinosaur fossil record. Spectacular - but not original. Like the whole movie.
Had I not been with my partner, had I been watching it alone, I would have left and demanded my £9 back. Fortunately, we had coupons to make it cheaper than the outrageous normal price for 3D movies.
I have learnt two things. 3D doesn't work. Cameron, whilst a great technologist, is a very poor writer and teller of stories.
Ignoring that - it was a disappointment. I'd heard it lifted plot lines from other films. I had no idea just how bad it was. It ripped Dances with Wolves off wholesale, including the plot, sub plot, key characters, character conflicts. It lifted vast swathes of Medicine Man, almost line for line, shot for shot. It took gimmicks from LotR. Nothing, nothing was original in the plot, the script, the sub plots, the twists.
The Hammerhead-shark-a-soruses. Come on - the moment they warned him 'They're bullet proof' - it was OBVIOUS they would come back at the end like the trees marching back in LotR. The second they had a big bunch of thermal contacts "That's the Hammerhead things" I thought. BAMN - there they were.
The preachy undertones regarding the environment and the Iraq invasion were so blatant, they were offensive. I agree, in the main, with that message, but I don't want it in my face when I'm at the cinema wanting some escapism.
Unobtainium. Seriously - that's the best name you could come up with. My god it was pathetic. G-police helicopters....burning some sort of fuel, yet the atmosphere is so oxygen poor as to asphyxiate people. Low gravity - sure - but FLOATING mountains. What was the point of them. Nothing.
It, also, was quite obvious that Cameron wants a sequel out of this - and thus the lead two characters had to survive - thus there was never any genuine moments of peril - and any peril they had been in, you knew that spirits would just fix them. It was also obvious that their had to be SOME sacrifices, so Sigourney dying was quite obvious from the beginning. Furthermore, so was the defeat of the humans - as they were the 'evil' in this plot, and evil can not win.
The life on Pandora? Lifted, in bulk, from the deep oceans of the Earth, and the dinosaur fossil record. Spectacular - but not original. Like the whole movie.
Had I not been with my partner, had I been watching it alone, I would have left and demanded my £9 back. Fortunately, we had coupons to make it cheaper than the outrageous normal price for 3D movies.
I have learnt two things. 3D doesn't work. Cameron, whilst a great technologist, is a very poor writer and teller of stories.
There's little in the storyline, the only reason to see the film are the spectacular effects.Well, thanks a bunch for all the spoilers, DJ.
Might as well not bother to see it now...
And if you want to bring yourself back to sanity after the pointless story you can always watch Kevin Costner.
I prefer Dances with Terriers. They're more fun.But everyone likes Dances with Wolves!
Not read the thread as I've already heard loads about this film, but I've finally booked tickets for the IMAX to see it.
All I could get was a Wednesday morning 00:20 showing However, it does mean we're in one of the best rows for the screen. No point seeing it at an IMAX if you're too far forward.
All I could get was a Wednesday morning 00:20 showing
However, it does mean we're in one of the best rows for the screen. No point seeing it at an IMAX if you're too far forward.
I still can't get over the fact that you walked out of "300". What part made you get up and leave?
I stumbled across a thing on tv the other night about the making of avatar, i was blown away by some of the technology used to create this movie. if you have time check out this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c4kNLz_4E8
-the part that shocked me the most was around the 7 minute mark with the virtual camera. pretty cool stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c4kNLz_4E8
-the part that shocked me the most was around the 7 minute mark with the virtual camera. pretty cool stuff
speaking of the golden globes....Michael C Hall and John Lithgow FTMFW!!
can't believe Hall has cancer though
Well, thanks a bunch for all the spoilers, DJ.
Might as well not bother to see it now...
Oh COME ON. If you didn't want spoiler, what the heck are you doin reading a 9 page long thread about it. Seriously.
I just read an interesting article that mentioned that as part of motion capture, the Avatar actors wore a minicamera that recorded all of their facial expressions and eye movements. This is why their faces look so real. I did not verify but it seems like this is the first movie to do this.
It's a leap in technology that is likely to garner an Academy award.
Btw, did you know that James Cameron Hates America?. You may find some of the hyperbole in the Slate article to be sad, maybe alarming.
It's a leap in technology that is likely to garner an Academy award.
Btw, did you know that James Cameron Hates America?. You may find some of the hyperbole in the Slate article to be sad, maybe alarming.