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I'm more and more glad I kept my Unlimited data plan.

Hopefully they don't take it away.
 
Well, sign me up for your credible news organisation's publication! Will that be a yearly release of each issue? ;-)

So what are you saying there, Will? That I should ignore my tons of dropped calls because the FT says this is the best phone around?

And I'm holding it right.
 
Have you been living under a rock? The current iPhone is the best phone available today.

All these negative comments floating around makes it sound like a clunky Microsoft/Android device. The issues are actually pretty minor compared to how serious everyone else is trying to hype it up to be.

You mean the clunky Android phones that don't drop calls, make video calls over more than just wifi, and offer 4G speeds?

I'd have to drink an awful lot of the Kool-Aid to come remotely close to thinking that iPhone 4 was the best phone on the market.

You know, my last phone was a Palm Treo 680. That was super cool when I got it and became clunky sometime during its three-year lifespan. And in that time I had to reboot the device 1 to 3 times per day. iPhone came out and redefined what a smartphone should be and my iPhone 3Gs (my first iPhone) has not required a reboot for 11 months. I love the thing because it just works.

Now we have Android. Finally somebody with a decent amount of market share to help drive competition in this "smarter phone" era. Hooray for Android because competition is good for us, no matter how big an Apple fan you are, it can only help the device get better.

EVO has some cool features, so does Droid X. And certainly, so does iPhone-4. To call any of these phones clunky is like the guy who owns the Lamborghini telling the guy who owns the Ferrari that he is driving a clunky car. Let's face it, these phones are the cream of the crop. iOS and Android are the darn best mobile operating systems out there (waiting to see what Blackberry 6 is all about or if HP can revive WebOS).

Just because one may prefer the Ferrari's benefits and accept its shortcomings over those of the Lamborghini does not mean either car is clunky. It just means one is better for you than the other.

Have you ever seen two guys in expensive sports cars on the freeway drive across from each other and give each "the nod". That nod says "I see you appreciate a true performance automobile -- so do I." They don't argue and quibble like Chevy, Ford or Dodge fans. They just show each other respect.

Wouldn't it be nice if all of us with are fancy smart phones could just give the other "the nod" instead of insulting the other like he was holding a cheap piece of LG, Samsung or Nokia.

I for one am done getting caught up in these silly arguments. None of these phones are perfect, but they are all pretty awesome and way cooler than some of the stuff dreamed up in science fiction of yesteryear.
 
Clearly, the iPhone will be 4G before HD video uploads become a reality on any wireless network.
 
So what are you saying there, Will? That I should ignore my tons of dropped calls because the FT says this is the best phone around?

And I'm holding it right.

What I'm saying is that you're the *only* one that matters. And *only* you decide whether this is a successful product or not. And your experience is the *only* one that should be the criteria when everyone else in the world determines whether this is a product they should consider buying.

Of course I'm being silly and I don't intend to offend, but you have to admit it's a bit silly to expect me to believe that *your* experience is the *only* experience worthy of judgment here.

There are so few who are experiencing your problem (and I don't disagree that it *is* a problem, and one that should be fixed), but in the grand scheme of things, it's hardly worthy of a mention.

And the original post to which you replied had to do with an article in the FT declaring the iPhone to be better than the droid. That's what I posted, and that's what they said. They are credible, they also have reported on the problems you have experience, but yet they still published the article saying iPhone is really kewl. :D

One more thing - my name is not "Will" no more than yours is not "Cu". Please don't cut the end of my name off. My name is my name, and I like my name.
 
Im beginning to think SJ lives on another planet. His new super jetsons phone doesnt even have the ability to make a ****in phone call without dropping out - call quality is wank and hes banging on about this ****.

How about you get your head out of Jonny Ives ass and make a statement on WTF we are to expect with regards to sorting out my 600 bucks phone and the reception issue?
 
There are so few who are experiencing your problem (and I don't disagree that it *is* a problem, and one that should be fixed), but in the grand scheme of things, it's hardly worthy of a mention.

And how exactly do YOU know how many or how few are affected by the reception deadspot issue? Have you done a scientific study? If so - please publish your results. For all that we know, the problem is widespread, easily reproducible and affects enough people. For you to say it's "hardly worthy of a mention" just proves that you're an Apple apologist.

And the original post to which you replied had to do with an article in the FT declaring the iPhone to be better than the droid. That's what I posted, and that's what they said. They are credible

I could give rat's a$$ about that FT article you keep quoting, and their _opinion_ as to which phone is better. I don't consider FT to be an authority on smartphones. In the end of the day, it's just an opinion of some tech analyst who did some half-baked research (as most of them do). That guy's opinion is worth no more than mine or yours.

One more thing - my name is not "Will" no more than yours is not "Cu". Please don't cut the end of my name off. My name is my name, and I like my name.

Whatever you say, Sir Lord William London Esquire :rolleyes:
 
Through time warner's road runner i get 0.49Mbits upload speeds ($70/MONTH!!!!!). On 3G i get 1.2Mbits upload speeds. Dear Steve, stop effing with me.
 
+1,000

Get my phone to make a call longer than 2 minutes, Steve.
Yah! Totally! They should, like, not do anything else at all to focus on this issue. I mean, OMG! Like, if they drop all the other stuff and have everyone work on this they should, I mean, totally, get this fixed in minutes!

As I've said before, this problem doesn't exist. It's just a bunch of morons listening to some sensationalist news sites.
Yeah, the people who have posted videos of it probably just filmed the sequence over and over again until, by chance, it happened just right. A lot of phones really do have this sort of issue and it shouldn't come as a surprise. When you cover the antenna it impacts your signal. Your fanboy is showing.

Although I can duplicate a drop in bars by holding my iPhone 4 the 'wrong' way it has had no material impact on my calling, and the same goes for everyone I know. But I am not willing to take that as proof that others aren't having problems, and that those problems may be, in part, region based.
 
There's only one Android phone like that and it has horrible battery life (especially compared to the iPhone 4) and the video calls are very awkward to set up.

I believe it is pretty good at making calls though, and not dropping them mid-conversation. I know, it's a minor feature for a phone but even so it's pretty magical how it manages to do this.

Oh, and I'm not an Evo 4G owner. Sold my 3G and got a Nexus One. No front facing camera, reasonable battery life, beautiful hires display and amazing (multitasking) performance. Quite a bit cheaper than an unlocked iPhone 4 too (I don't need contract, so unlocked is important to me). Oh, and I've never had a dropped call. It does all the over the air stuff too - apps, movies, music, you name it (just to get back on topic). It's pretty much unrestricted in what it can do. I wonder why Apple apply so many restrictions to the iPhone when they now have the hardware and horsepower to compete. Don't they trust the users who've spent so much money to own this hardware? Very strange.
 
And how exactly do YOU know how many or how few are affected by the reception deadspot issue? Have you done a scientific study? If so - please publish your results. For all that we know, the problem is widespread, easily reproducible and affects enough people. For you to say it's "hardly worthy of a mention" just proves that you're an Apple apologist.



I could give rat's a$$ about FT article and their _opinion_ as to which phone is better. I don't consider FT to be an authority on smartphones. In the end of the day, it's just an opinion of some tech analyst who did some half-baked research (as most of them do). That guy's opinion is worth no more than mine or yours.



Whatever you say, Sir Lord William London Esquire :rolleyes:

Yo, Will. You just got owned.
 
Accounting reasons?

Yes -- as I explained in the rest of my post which you neglected to quote above.

If you tell somebody feature X is coming by some date or in version Y of the product then you are have created a contractual promise of that feature. Folks may base purchasing the current version on the assumption that the other feature is coming. However, if you fail to deliver then technically you cannot count revenue for the product from the point at which the promise was made if your customers call you on it. That is because you have accepted their money without delivering all of what you promised.

Typically this comes more into play when selling enterprise software to a company and they want it but they just need one feature that you lack. If you say something like "well it is coming in the next release" and you then sell the product to that customer, you have created a contractual promise to that customer and then the customer has the right to dispute that you actually delivered what was expected when the next version ships without that feature and therefore you have a liability because you may owe this customer a full refund of the original purchase or you may not be able to count the revenue on the new version you shipped until you provide the required feature.

So if Steve Jobs said "Yes you will be able to upload files via WiFi in iOS 4.1 which will be released in two weeks" then every iPhone purchase after that statement is made can have its revenue accounting held in limbo until that feature is delivered.

I work in software development and the company I work for got screwed on this in the past and it messed up quarterly results. Now the accountants and legal department drill it into us that we cannot ever make a promise of a date or a version in which a feature will be released. And for future features we are always to say things like "may be included" or "no guarantee" -- because plans can always change. This keeps us out of the accounting hell that can otherwise ensue.
 
If everyone who complained about reception just returned their phones instead of spamming every comment thread of every article, the fix would come a lot sooner.
 
I believe it is pretty good at making calls though, and not dropping them mid-conversation. I know, it's a minor feature for a phone but even so it's pretty magical how it manages to do this.
Hyperbole. Hearing it from an iPhone 4 owner is one thing; hearing it from someone who doesn't even have experience with the device is another. This whole iOS vs. Android thing is starting to remind me of the PS3 vs. XBox squabble that has been carried out across the internet for years.
 
The more I frequent this website, the lower my opinion of Apple becomes.

Former fanboi, now just standing in the middle.:rolleyes:
 
Yah! Totally! They should, like, not do anything else at all to focus on this issue. I mean, OMG! Like, if they drop all the other stuff and have everyone work on this they should, I mean, totally, get this fixed in minutes!

Everyone knows the more people you throw at any problem, the faster it is solved. It does not matter who they are!
 
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Hyperbole. Hearing it from an iPhone 4 owner is one thing; hearing it from someone who doesn't even have experience with the device is another. This whole iOS vs. Android thing is starting to remind me of the PS3 vs. XBox squabble that has been carried out across the internet for years.

I agree, a pissing match on X versus Y can get stale quickly. In the context of hearing from those using iPhone 4 and those using A.N.Other phone though, both experiences are valid and relavent. That's how we find out about various phones features and limitations. Knowledge is power :).
 
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