I don't hate Apple. I think their products are really great innovations. As far as some of the videos showing holding the iphone in a death grip, that's unrealistic in real life. But there are many more videos/reports showing just normal finger bridging of the antennas causing total signal loss in just a few seconds. Will AT&T and Apple stores have to warn customers about holding the phone during the purchase process? That would be a disasterous PR problem.
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Jobs says Signal Strength a "non issue"
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I don't hate Apple. I think their products are really great innovations. As far as some of the videos showing holding the iphone in a death grip, that's unrealistic in real life. But there are many more videos/reports showing just normal finger bridging of the antennas causing total signal loss in just a few seconds. Will AT&T and Apple stores have to warn customers about holding the phone during the purchase process? That would be a disasterous PR problem.
I don't think Apple will give free bumpers to everyone. Why?
Because, based on the responses from Apple and Steve, it's a non-issue. Which means they are denying the existence of a problem. They are stating that every phone has this issue, not just the iPhone.
As soon as they offer up a "solution" they lose deniability and then the s#$% would really hit the fan and would be a PR nightmare even more than it is now.
If they stay the course and continue to deny there's an issue, then they look less culpable.
You see this all the time in Politics - and even Apple has done it in the past.
Deny Deny Deny. You look "bad" - but not as bad as the first time you admit.
Because, based on the responses from Apple and Steve, it's a non-issue. Which means they are denying the existence of a problem. They are stating that every phone has this issue, not just the iPhone.
As soon as they offer up a "solution" they lose deniability and then the s#$% would really hit the fan and would be a PR nightmare even more than it is now.
If they stay the course and continue to deny there's an issue, then they look less culpable.
You see this all the time in Politics - and even Apple has done it in the past.
Deny Deny Deny. You look "bad" - but not as bad as the first time you admit.
Seriously!! How many times??? This could be down to the location. Lots of people on here (me included) have the problem in one location but not another! Which is why we need two phones in the same location that differ when bridging the antennas. Only then can it be said that a pacticular phone doesn't have the issue.
OMG that article is shocking. We're not lying. if i pick up my phone and cannot make calls due to reception and the fact i'm holding it in my left hand, then how is that deniable. The issues do exist, I bet the author of that doesn't even have a iPhone 4
Really didn't mean to offend you, Aggs. I think maybe you misunderstood me. I was defending maflynn because, like i said, I thought what he/she said to be "accurate enough" for the purposes of what he/she was pointing out: that the frame/antenna was, in effect, hurting signal rather than improving it (although, yes, only when held in what I would call a "normal" way).
So, it's semantics, but I didn't think it necessary to be so specific. Sorry for the confusion. Also sorry if I've offended you by using this thread in a "chat room" nature, but I've found it entertaining, esp watching it develop over night.
While I don't feel like I should have to apologize for what I feel is good-natured, I also don't want you to hate me for it. I just found the irony of this "antenna situation" and what Steve boasted in the keynote vs. what has become a blaring issue (hence the 1,200+ posts) to be pretty humorous. So forgive me if you can. Cheers.
Never in my life have I had to think about holding a cellular phone a certain way for it to get reception.
And yet I can hold my phone in the left or right hand
LOLz, Not everyone needs such niche abilities in their phone.
Seriously? Watch the video in my signature and tell me I am holding it wrong...
Well lucky you, you must have above avarage cell coverage. I've always had to think about it, and where I'm standing, and which direction I'm facing, with non apple phones too.
I've posted it before, but here it is just in case you missed it. And though I know it's not a conclusive test, it's a solid point by an at least recognizable source:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ba...-help-users-with-iphone-4-reception-problems/
And yet I can hold my phone in the left or right hand
Motorola's next commercial is already written for them.
Droid does speech to text typing
Droid does mobile WiFi hotspot
Droid does making calls in your left and right hand
Patient: "Hey Doctor Steve, it really hurts when I move my arm like this what should I do?"
Doctor Steve: "Just don't move your arm like that."
Doctor Steve: "Just don't move your arm like that."
Really didn't mean to offend you, Aggs. I think maybe you misunderstood me. I was defending maflynn because, like i said, I thought what he/she said to be "accurate enough" for the purposes of what he/she was pointing out: that the frame/antenna was, in effect, hurting signal rather than improving it (although, yes, only when held in what I would call a "normal" way).
So, it's semantics, but I didn't think it necessary to be so specific. Sorry for the confusion. Also sorry if I've offended you by using this thread in a "chat room" nature, but I've found it entertaining, esp watching it develop over night.
While I don't feel like I should have to apologize for what I feel is good-natured, I also don't want you to hate me for it. I just found the irony of this "antenna situation" and what Steve boasted in the keynote vs. what has become a blaring issue (hence the 1,200+ posts) to be pretty humorous. So forgive me if you can. Cheers.
I'm not offended at all. If you've read through all these pages (and boy has this thread taken off since I left it last night), you'll see I have problems with this "non-issue" as well. However, I don't want to see it get exaggerated. I'm one for facts, just like samcraig. Just holding the phone, like mafylnn writes/exaggerates, does not cause the issue.
However, anything maflynn writes is suspect, since he obviously doesn't own an iPhone.
I've never been to a Droid forum. Why the Droid people post here escapes me.
If what you say is true then either there is a design flaw with all iPhone4s - or there is a manufacturing defect which magnifies the problem in some cases.
Either way, you should return the device.
C.
mmmmmm maybe NOW is the time to get to apple's "request" towards the FCC re. the "confidentiality clause"..... shall we wait another 44 daze?
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...more-to-the-iphone-than-the-public-knows.html
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...more-to-the-iphone-than-the-public-knows.html
However, anything maflynn writes is suspect, since he obviously doesn't own an iPhone.
Because some of us Droid people still own Macs, and this is MacRumors
thanks for this link, i did not see it! im glad to see this though. hopefully apple can still do something in the software to maybe help alleviate this issue.
sir, i too have this issue of reception dropping.. all i am saying is that people will not make MR accounts and state their phones do not have the issue, they will come here and state they do have an issue. but there are a few who have stated that they do not have this issue. i can only go by what i see. i am sure in the next few days we will get more and more information on it to help everyone.
Stop IT!
As soon as I read Steve's Response; this video came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g3ENYxg9k
As soon as I read Steve's Response; this video came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g3ENYxg9k
I'm not offended at all. If you've read through all these pages (and boy has this thread taken off since I left it last night), you'll see I have problems with this "non-issue" as well. However, I don't want to see it get exaggerated. I'm one for facts, just like samcraig. Just holding the phone, like mafylnn writes/exaggerates, does not cause the issue.
However, anything maflynn writes is suspect, since he obviously doesn't own an iPhone.
Honestly just holding my phone as I always do (as a left handed person) causes my signal to cut out. I don't think I could exaggerate it any more because it is already as bad as it could possibly be.
Ahh Haa!
Read this: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way.ars
The last paragraph:
One inconsistency is that numerous examples of using the iPhone 4, including Jobs' own WWDC demo, have shown users gripping the iPhone 4 in the exact manner that triggers the issue. Macintouch reader Saam G said that Apple Support confirmed the issue, blaming "a missing protective coating on some of the parts," so there may be more to this issue than what Jobs is admitting.
Read this: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way.ars
The last paragraph:
One inconsistency is that numerous examples of using the iPhone 4, including Jobs' own WWDC demo, have shown users gripping the iPhone 4 in the exact manner that triggers the issue. Macintouch reader Saam G said that Apple Support confirmed the issue, blaming "a missing protective coating on some of the parts," so there may be more to this issue than what Jobs is admitting.
Really?
Maybe they're interested in technology or have a life outside of Apple. I visit Apple Forums, Linux Forums, Microsoft Forums, Project management Forums, CAD Forums, Automobile Club Forums, Ham Radio Forums, FTA Satellite TV Forums, Boating Forums, Business Forums, Music Forums, Space Forums, and JFK Assassination Forums.
Does it "escape you" and surprise you that someone might have other interests than drooling over Apple 24/7????
Maybe they're interested in technology or have a life outside of Apple. I visit Apple Forums, Linux Forums, Microsoft Forums, Project management Forums, CAD Forums, Automobile Club Forums, Ham Radio Forums, FTA Satellite TV Forums, Boating Forums, Business Forums, Music Forums, Space Forums, and JFK Assassination Forums.
Does it "escape you" and surprise you that someone might have other interests than drooling over Apple 24/7????
Sorry to hear your cellular experience has been subpar. That does not change the fact the iPhone 4 is flawed in it's design. I've never had any issues with previous iPhones as much as I'm having with the iPhone 4 in terms of reception. I am not holding it any differently, but that particular spot you touch and reception goes to hell happens to be covered when I hold it with my left hand and right hand (ring finger typically covers that area).
Don't get me wrong, everything else about my iPhone 4 is great. The call quality I do think is better than my previous iPhones. However, I've never had "No Signal" or have gone from 5 bars to 1 bar so frequently. When there is reception, the iPhone 4 is solid.
If it's a software issue like Apple originally stated, then by all means I don't mind waiting a few days until they release a patch. If it was a bad batch of iPhones, no biggie, nothing is ever perfect and there's always lemons - I'll simply swap mine out and get a new one. But if the CEO of the company thinks it's not an issue and he knows about it, better yet possibly tried to make even more money by selling overpriced "bumpers" to add to their billion plus in cash reserves... well, that's just sad.