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Sure, I can list at least 6 Android products in my house, and that doesn't make me a Google supporter....
My conclusions are about your posts, not what you claim to own (I don't care about that, at all).


If you purchased those it makes you a supporter whether you like it or not.
You are supporting them with your money.
The fact that you purchased so many is telling. You're either in denial or have too much money.
 
If you purchased those it makes you a supporter whether you like it or not.
You are supporting them with your money.
The fact that you purchased so many is telling. You're either in denial or have too much money.

Maybe I have too much money, or maybe I'm just a tech enthusiast who likes to try several devices (and my Android devices are mostly used by my relatives).
 
LOL! Whoops. Forgot about Dell's 5K monitor. Turns out though there's a little more to Type C than I thought.

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/If-you-DisplayPort-13-wait-until-you-meet-USB-31

"DisplayPort Alternate Mode (“Alt Mode”) on USB Type-C Standard. Using the DisplayPort Alt Mode, a USB Type-C connector and cable can deliver full DisplayPort audio/video (A/V) performance, driving monitor resolutions of 4K and beyond, SuperSpeed USB (USB 3.1) data and up to 100 watts of power--over a single cable," VESA said in a statement.

Devices supporting DisplayPort Alt Mode on a USB Type-C connector can also connect to an existing DisplayPort device using a reversible USB Type-C to DisplayPort converter cable.

Like USB, DisplayPort uses a packetized data structure and differential AC-Coupled signal “lanes” that carry high speed data with an embedded clock. This allows the same electrical circuits and cables to carry either SuperSpeed USB data at up to 10Gbps per lane, or DisplayPort at up to 8.1 Gbps per lane, as defined in the new DisplayPort 1.3 Standard.

Early implementations of DisplayPort Alt Mode USB Type-C devices will likely use existing DisplayPort 1.2a capabilities that support up to 5.4Gbps per lane. Using 5.4Gbps across all four high-speed lanes will support up to 4K (4096 x 2160) display resolutions at a 60Hz frame rate with up to 30-bit colour.

The new VESA Alternate mode DisplayPort the added flexibility of 100W power and 10Gbit speeds of USB 3.1 will put a lot of pressure on the Thunderbolt standard. New VESA Alt mode will enable USB 3.1 ports on monitors as well as docking station that can charge devices up to 100W and offering quite fast USB 3.1, 3.0 or even 2.0 connectivity. There is enough bandwidth to support even 5K (5120 x 2880) resolution and beyond."

I don't think that this puts all that much pressure on Thunderbolt; it has a roadmap to 100 Gb which will suit video production nicely. But it will cede much of the turf as a docking interface to USB 3.1, and that would cover most of the future low and midrange devices on the market. But Thunderbolt isn't in those devices anyway. Thunderbolt will continue to be a viable market for Apple with its iMac, MacBook Pro and Mac Pro catering to professionals, but the Mac Mini might be an exception, and lose Thunderbolt in the future. If so, I hope that the Mac Mini package shrinks in a major way.

More to the point, the EU will need to change its standard for mobile devices; micro USB is about as bad a connector as could ever be envisioned, and I will be happy to see the camera industry adopt USB type C connectors as well.

As for Lightning, USB Type C is obviously its spawn, whether or not Apple "invented" it. Perhaps Apple will adopt it down the road for its mobile devices, but for now, Lightning is a continuing success for Apple.
 
Interesting, haven't seen it in person yet but if its not too big it would be great to have one connector for all devices.
 
This is what happens when bureaucrats get involved in setting standards for technologies they know nothing about.

This was more about the 'green' aspect, the drawer full of chargers we all used to have because they were never compatible with the next phone we bought, and was designed to prevent millions of chargers ending up in landfill, rather than trying to set a standard for technical reasons. And as with virtually all EU laws, it was pointless.
 
Unless things have changed it can not support 1080P

http://9to5mac.com/2013/03/01/the-l...t-possibly-because-it-is-an-airplay-receiver/

That would be like saying the ATV 2 Supports 1080P because it has HDMI

Apple's site claims it supports 1080p. Either something has changed, or Apple's description is misleading or incorrect. "The Lightning Digital AV Adapter supports mirroring of what is displayed on your device screen — including apps, presentations, websites, slideshows, and more — to your HDMI-equipped TV, display, projector, or other compatible display in up to 1080p HD."
 
Aren't there patents related to USB C? Has anyone looked to see if an inventor from Apple is on them?

Yes engineers from Apple are some of the inventors as well as many engineers from other Tech blue chips like MS, Dell, Google, etc.
 
This comment is simply totally ignorant. Firewire was a huge success, as is Thunderbolt. They are wonderful and well ahead of the curve for the market they serve: AUDIO VISUAL PROFESSIONALS. If you're not the target market, honestly you have no ability to comment. But for the Pros these standards were created for, they have been embraced widely and have been extraordinarily successful. Don't confuse your own ignorance for reality. Take it from me -- I've been employed in this space for 11 years, and work with some of the largest media companies out there. And the smallest. And everything in between. Firewire and Thunderbolt have kicked butt.

I didn't say they're not wonderful, they're both great, but for example: FireWire 400 was superseded by FW800 which had a different shaped connector, so no matter when you owned a FireWire hard drive or other peripheral, chances were you could only ever plug it into your own computer. No matter how professional you are, it's extremely useful to be able to use your stuff on a borrowed computer or some other computer in case of an emergency, it happens a lot. If you have a FireWire compatible camcorder but can only use it on your own professional computer that happens to have a FW port, and it will be incompatible with your new computer or anyone else's computer, that sucks, no matter how much better it was than USB 1.0 at the time.

I used to do a lot of professional video work at the time of camcorders and it was a huge pain, because I was using 2 cameras and 3 computers, each having a different port. Some old medium format cameras I used, which are as professional as it gets - can no longer be plugged into anything without an adapter. It's quite crap to have to run around an editing suite full of high-end computers looking for an old white iMac because it's the only way you can get your project downloaded before you need to return the camera to the renting facility - no time to buy adapters here. No matter how professional that is, it sucks.

Then you have Thunderbolt, which is lovely, but now that too is becoming obsolete due to USB C. People didn't even really have a chance to make thunderbolt peripherals and it's already gone. Knowing that, they're not even going to try next time. You invest in an expensive RAID that uses Thunderbolt, plan to use it for 4-5 years, and it will be obsolete for 3-4 years and will require different kinds of adapters to use with each of your computers that all have different ports.

USB, on the other hand, no matter how crap, is widely adopted and even if you're a hardcore professional there always comes a time when you will come across non-professional equipment that needs to be compatible.

The thing is, I doubt Apple pushed Thunderbolt so aggressively just to please the top tier professionals. I have a feeling they expected far more from it, and now they realized that the only way to do that is to combine it with USB, which is probably a very good idea.
 
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Apple's site claims it supports 1080p. Either something has changed, or Apple's description is misleading or incorrect. "The Lightning Digital AV Adapter supports mirroring of what is displayed on your device screen — including apps, presentations, websites, slideshows, and more — to your HDMI-equipped TV, display, projector, or other compatible display in up to 1080p HD."

As others have already pointed out, it can do 1080P with heavy compression in some circumstances in others it is only able to support 900P depending on the type of file. Lightning just does not have the required bandwidth to output consistent high quality 1080P. For HDMI out to work, a $50 adapter is required that has a mini arm computer inside which is an inferior expensive solution compared to native displayport connection.
 
I can understand why Apple removed all those ports.
That's what dongles are for.
Why not remove the battery too?
Batteries add bulk and weight.
Might sell the battery dongle and an Apple-certified dongle carrying bag.
 
The thing is, I doubt Apple pushed Thunderbolt so aggressively just to please the top tier professionals. I have a feeling they expected far more from it, and now they realized that the only way to do that is to combine it with USB, which is probably a very good idea.

I'm not sure Apple pushed it "so aggressively" as all they really did was add capability to a connector already present(mDP). Besides the Thunderbolt display and a few adapters, Apple did not really do anything with thunderbolt.

The only apple product that is aggressive with thunderbolt is the Mac Pro. The current Mac Pro would be impossible without thunderbolt and be useless if they switched the thunderbolt for USB C ports. Apple would probably discontinue the Mac Pro is they stopped supporting thunderbolt.
 
Great, they invented it. Think they can invent putting in more than one?

So how would that work? Would you be able to plug a power cord into any of the ports if there are more than one port? What if you plug in more than one power cord? Like put in a power cord into each port?
 
I imagine you wouldn't want MagSafe in a port that transfers data. If it gets pulled when transferring files or before you disconnect a drive you could potentially corrupt the file or damage the drive. Maybe there will be an adapter that splits to a MagSafe power port?

Woulnd't be the same problem with data transfer over (i.e. unreliable) WiFi as the Apple vision to wireless future?
 
Lol... the "MagSafe" technology is not a port, it's a feature added on a port that's called magnetism. It probably couldn't have been added to USB-C because it lacks a surface to put the magnets on, but it'd be sad to see such a great technology fade away.


Magnetic power connections aren't going away, they are moving to the kitchen. Looked at a fryer awhile ago that had magnetic power connection so you wouldn't drench yourself with 300 F oil if you trip over the cord.
 
So how would that work? Would you be able to plug a power cord into any of the ports if there are more than one port? What if you plug in more than one power cord? Like put in a power cord into each port?

Interesting point.

In the perfect world, if I were to plug my laptop in at my desk to multiple devices like charger, external display, hard drive, speakers, etc., I would love a set up where I only have to plug in one cord.

Currently I plug in 2 cords and occasionally a 3rd one for the hard drive. It's kinda messy. Perhaps with this one port deal, there will be many reasonably priced hubs on the market to choose from. I would rather do that than having to plug in multiple cables.
 
It's another lie. Apple also claimed they innovated a smaller logic board in the new Macbook. This is the Intel Core M prototype from six months ago.

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This is such a bull link. The logic board featured is from a MacBook Pro not the new MacBook. The MacBook Air logic board was already smaller than MacBook Pro.

See Image Here

Here is the new MacBook vs the MacBook Air. I would guess that the MacBook logic board is going to be around the same size as the Intel one you showed but with considerably more stuff including taptic storage and other interfaces others have listed.
 
Interesting point.



In the perfect world, if I were to plug my laptop in at my desk to multiple devices like charger, external display, hard drive, speakers, etc., I would love a set up where I only have to plug in one cord.


I'm thinking more logistically. Let's say your laptop had 3 USB-C ports. You can't tell me that you can plug a charger into any of those ports and they are all wired internally back to the power supply input. And if not what happens if you plug your charger into the wrong port then?
 
So how would that work? Would you be able to plug a power cord into any of the ports if there are more than one port? What if you plug in more than one power cord? Like put in a power cord into each port?

They could have asked google how they put 2 inside the Chromebook Pixel 2
 
I'm thinking more logistically. Let's say your laptop had 3 USB-C ports. You can't tell me that you can plug a charger into any of those ports and they are all wired internally back to the power supply input. And if not what happens if you plug your charger into the wrong port then?
I think you have unrealistic expectations about what we can and can't tell you.
 
Fair enough, I realize Apple has to dumb down alot of stuff for the majority of non tech people. :)

I fail to understand why you want /need the Magsafe. You are saying that you are skilled enough to not bump the cable while using a hard drive. So isn't having the Magsafe also a form of dumbing it down, so to speak? Seems pretty hypocritical to call people who want protection on the data port dumbed down, but wanting protection on the battery port is perfectly necessary and ok.
 
I didn't say they're not wonderful, they're both great, but for example: FireWire 400 was superseded by FW800 which had a different shaped connector, so no matter when you owned a FireWire hard drive or other peripheral, chances were you could only ever plug it into your own computer. No matter how professional you are, it's extremely useful to be able to use your stuff on a borrowed computer or some other computer in case of an emergency, it happens a lot. If you have a FireWire compatible camcorder but can only use it on your own professional computer that happens to have a FW port, and it will be incompatible with your new computer or anyone else's computer, that sucks, no matter how much better it was than USB 1.0 at the time.

I used to do a lot of professional video work at the time of camcorders and it was a huge pain, because I was using 2 cameras and 3 computers, each having a different port. Some old medium format cameras I used, which are as professional as it gets - can no longer be plugged into anything without an adapter. It's quite crap to have to run around an editing suite full of high-end computers looking for an old white iMac because it's the only way you can get your project downloaded before you need to return the camera to the renting facility - no time to buy adapters here. No matter how professional that is, it sucks.

Then you have Thunderbolt, which is lovely, but now that too is becoming obsolete due to USB C. People didn't even really have a chance to make thunderbolt peripherals and it's already gone. Knowing that, they're not even going to try next time. You invest in an expensive RAID that uses Thunderbolt, plan to use it for 4-5 years, and it will be obsolete for 3-4 years and will require different kinds of adapters to use with each of your computers that all have different ports.

USB, on the other hand, no matter how crap, is widely adopted and even if you're a hardcore professional there always comes a time when you will come across non-professional equipment that needs to be compatible.

The thing is, I doubt Apple pushed Thunderbolt so aggressively just to please the top tier professionals. I have a feeling they expected far more from it, and now they realized that the only way to do that is to combine it with USB, which is probably a very good idea.

Why do you people keep banging on about "Thunderbolt is dead!" - it's a ridiculous, false, and silly statement. USB C maxes at 10 gb/sec, Thunderbolt 3 will be coming soon with 40. USB C as implemented in the devices it's in now is at 5. Also, it's missing a lot that Thunderbolt can do, and *still* relies on the CPU instead of a discrete controller to manage the data stream.

I realize that people have been getting off on the idea of the demise of Thunderbolt ever since it came out, but get used to it - it's not going anywhere.

For the millionth, billionth time - USB is for consumers, Thunderbolt is for pros. Simple as that. They can coexist, and will. No harm is done to anybody by that being the case.

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I wouldn't go as far to call it "perfect" but it is a hell of an improvement over existing USB. Specifically, it is a symmetric cable with the device / host concept not hardwired into the scheme.

When handheld devices went to USB just over ten years ago, one big thing lost from RS-232 was peer-to-peer communication. With good ole RS-232, you can swap wires and make a null-modem configuration so devices can talk together mutually.

With USB, the hardware had to be defined as either host or device. Thus, when you had a mobile system with a USB device port, you could synch to your desktop but you could not have the same port connect to mobile accessories. USB-C handles this.

Was told peer-to-peer was in the original USB spec but was taken out to keep parts cost down.

This is true, but for consumers, they don't care. This is great for them. For stuff that "matters", Thunderbolt is still king and will be for the foreseeable future. I like the idea of having one general-use port for consumers and one for producers.
 
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