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Could be an issue. I can't imagine they didn't test ways of making the two work together. I do think it is a mistake to take away MagSafe but the other brands don't seem to constantly be knocked on the floor by people tripping over the cord. Anyhow, there isn't much we can do about it. Luckily the MacBook Pro still has MagSafe (for now).

The general idea is naturally that laptops have pretty long battery life now and that people will use them less and less being plugged in most of the time. In a sense like people rarely use iPads plugged in to power. Of course, besides battery life, something you carry around a lot (like an iPad) is less suited to being used while plugged in. The difference with a laptop is still that you'd likely use it while sitting somewhere (so you can easily use the keyboard), and if that somewhere is a desk, a constantly plugged in charging cable is less of a hassle and much more likely to be plugged in even if you could get all day battery life. Then again, the lighter and smaller the laptop is, the more likely you are to carry it around in house and while on the move, and thus the less likely you are to have it plugged in a lot.

So, there is some justification to leave out the MagSafe port on your lightest and smallest laptop. There is sense in the general direction they are moving but one naturally disagree about the particulars.
 
For those that are disappointed that this new connector isn't MagSafe... for all we know the connector might pull out quite easily as it is. Let's wait and see eh?
 
Since I have a couple of tablets now my laptop has basically became a desktop connected to a 50" Sony. I have to keep it plugged in because I don't use the battery. I also usually keep a 7 port Anker hub half full most of the time. I have to believe i'm not the only person that uses more than one port.

I have a tricked out 13" non-retina MBP (500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD internal drives + 16 GB RAM) but I have most of the time only one or two cables plugged in, the charger when it's on a desk. And if I have work to do an external display (for just browsing and email, I usually safe some electricity by not using the external monitor).

It is backed up to a TC constantly and twice a week I connect external drives to make clones. Maybe once a week I might charge my FitBit for an hour, or I connect a card reader or camera, but that's it. I never understood people who get an external drive to store some of their data once their laptop drive gets full. As long as there is a way to store all your data inside your laptop that is much preferable to having to use an external drive.
 
I really wish people would understand the differences between thunderbolt and any form of usb.
The reinvention of usb does not spell the end of thunderbolt.
The fact that didn't include it on their newest consumer Mac does not spell the end of thunderbolt.
The fact I suspect the will remove it from the mac mini will not spell the end of thunderbolt.
The two ports have a totally different intended use, and can very easily co exist. There is almost zero need for the average consumer who the MacBook is intended for to use thunderbolt. And to be perfectly honest, the is zero need for multiple ports. There is however, every need for it to look cool and weigh nothing so you can chuck it into a bag.
I wish people on this forum would realise the intended market for the new MacBook is not a computer geek with loads of drives, or even probably somebody that has an external display. If you have... There is an adaptor.
Apple has always (at least this century) had a pretty clear line up intended for different usages.
Such a lot of total nonsense is spouted on this site it's almost funny.
 
Well if apple invented it i guess it will be as useless as the Firewire and Thunderbolt ports are nowadays, it will have a short term, expensive set of peripherals, and then fail.

seems when apple picks a "proprietary" port, its basically a nail in the coffin for that tech

Lets just hope that because its USB, and an open standard, that we see this adopted across the board, including apple dropping the lightning cable for the iPhone 6s and next gen iPads, i would love a world where ONE cable does everything from charging my phone/laptop/tablet to hooking up my glasses free 3D ultra 8k monitor to my Nvidia Titan black platinum ghost death ray power sucker 2000 edition in a couple of years.
 
Well if apple invented it i guess it will be as useless as the Firewire and Thunderbolt ports are nowadays, it will have a short term, expensive set of peripherals, and then fail.

seems when apple picks a "proprietary" port, its basically a nail in the coffin for that tech

Lets just hope that because its USB, and an open standard, that we see this adopted across the board, including apple dropping the lightning cable for the iPhone 6s and next gen iPads, i would love a world where ONE cable does everything from charging my phone/laptop/tablet to hooking up my glasses free 3D ultra 8k monitor to my Nvidia Titan black platinum ghost death ray power sucker 2000 edition in a couple of years.

Exactly my point in my comment above. Don't post stuff if you don't understand what you're talking about.

Just becuase YOU don't use it, doesn't mean it's dead. And because YOU don't use it, you can't comment on its usefulness. So stop speaking rubbish about things you don't know about.
 
So, USB-C on MacBook because reasons, and Lightning on iPhone because other reasons?

Size and one other thing: reversibility and magnetic connection. Therefore far more MTBF. Yank out a USB C while it's charging -- would it be much different from Magsafe?

And all you Android and other phones and laptops, you're welcome.
 
My issue is the one port is for charging and accessories. If there had been the typical charging port and at least one accessory port it wouldn't have been as much of an issue.

I agree that your issue is a valid one. And for the most part I agree with you. However, I understand that anything that is going to be considered an ultra-portable, by definition or concept, means that you are sacrificing some things in exchange for that portability. There are a lot of people that lug around these computers in backpacks on bikes and buses and walking, that are ecstatic about them being so light. 2 Pounds is remarkable... and with Retina screen to boot. And Apple must have known that a lot of people conversely would rather have them weight a bit more and have those other ports. So they left the MBA intact... so both groups can be happy. But for some reason some people aren't going to be happy unless the group they don't belong to are neglected their option.
 
Ditching the magsafe and only putting in one port for EVERYTHING is just plain and simple: ridiculous.

And also bumping prices by 200 euros making their TotL Macbook Pro 2800 instead of 2600 is just taking the piss.

Starting to lose my patience with Apple.

(For reference: I own a MBP TotL, iPhone 6 and iPad 4)

Dearest, your economy sucks; dollars vs Euros and all that.
 
I would argue that most of the people here being critical of this decision are doing so because they care.

For sure there are some here that are being critical because they care. But there also most definitely are many that are here because they are paid to be here and bash Apple products.
They day after the new Macbook was announced, i saw a coworker (who absolutely hates Apple)... and the first thing out of his mouth when he saw me (since he knows i use Apple products) was to ridicule the new Macbook because it only has the one port. He, and many others, could not possibly care less about Apple.. he just loves the opportunity to bash an Apple product... a product that he would never use regardless of whether it had one port or twenty.

Edit: You can usually distinguish between the two different types of people being critical. If someone says "i love the addition of retina screen.... but not the one port"... or "wow... 2 pounds... amazing... but only one port".. they have far more believability than those that come on and clearly bash the single solitary thing that they could find to fault about it.
 
I really wish people would understand the differences between thunderbolt and any form of usb.
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The two ports have a totally different intended use, and can very easily co exist.

So, according to you, what are the common uses and functionality of USB and Thunderbolt which do not overlap?
 
I have heard, can't say who, but let's call them "informed little birdies", that USB-C is an Apple invention and that they gave it to the standard bodies. And that the politics of such is that they can't really say that. They're not going to come out in public and say it, but they did. It is an Apple invention and they do want it to become a standard.

Yeah...Apple is so shy and humble...they're never one to toot their own horn. :rolleyes:
 
I have a tricked out 13" non-retina MBP (500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD internal drives + 16 GB RAM) but I have most of the time only one or two cables plugged in, the charger when it's on a desk. And if I have work to do an external display (for just browsing and email, I usually safe some electricity by not using the external monitor).

It is backed up to a TC constantly and twice a week I connect external drives to make clones. Maybe once a week I might charge my FitBit for an hour, or I connect a card reader or camera, but that's it. I never understood people who get an external drive to store some of their data once their laptop drive gets full. As long as there is a way to store all your data inside your laptop that is much preferable to having to use an external drive.

For me I keep my Logitech unifying adapter, usb sound bar, charging/data cable for my phone, sometimes my 2 external hard drives. About a year ago I replaced my 750 GB hard drive with a 240 GB Samsung SSD. Now my >250GB movies or my 20-30 GB music or my thousands of pictures from Hawaii, 2 trips to Ireland, and multiple places i've been working in various states will not fit on my internal SSD. The pictures I keep on OneDrive and Google Drive, but I won't do without a physical copy.
 
For sure there are some here that are being critical because they care.

I own a fair bit of Apple gear and i'm very disappointed and critical for the following reasons:

1. For me, the perfect laptop would have been the existing MBA with a retina screen. Sure, they could have reduced the screen bezel a bit, updated the proc to what is used in the Macbook, made the logic board smaller and the battery larger. The thickness and weight would be roughly the same and this would be the perfect laptop, except they didn't do this. Ive (predictably) couldn't help but take the design to the absolute extreme without any compromises for usability and features.

2. If I thought this Macbook just represented an extra choice in the Apple laptop range I wouldn't mind. The problem is that I do not believe this to be the case. I think within a few years, the Macbook could completely replace the MBA or, the design philosophy used will filter into the other product lines, spoiling them too.
 
For sure there are some here that are being critical because they care. But there also most definitely are many that are here because they are paid to be here and bash Apple products.
They day after the new Macbook was announced, i saw a coworker (who absolutely hates Apple)... and the first thing out of his mouth when he saw me (since he knows i use Apple products) was to ridicule the new Macbook because it only has the one port. He, and many others, could not possibly care less about Apple.. he just loves the opportunity to bash an Apple product... a product that he would never use regardless of whether it had one port or twenty.

Edit: You can usually distinguish between the two different types of people being critical. If someone says "i love the addition of retina screen.... but not the one port"... or "wow... 2 pounds... amazing... but only one port".. they have far more believability than those that come on and clearly bash the single solitary thing that they could find to fault about it.

Like you say there are definitely people that go out of their way to bash Apple. On the flip side just check out places like BGR or to a lesser extent Engadget. Those people take hating Android and especially Samsung to a whole new level.
 
Do you think "being able to resume an interrupted file transfer once the connection has been restored, without crashing" seems like science fiction? Is it out of reach for a company with the R&D resources of Apple?

R&D at Apple? We're talking about a standard here. If this connection recovery or error detection needs to be done by Apple then they are breaking the spec.

Issues with data transfer can easily leave corrupted or incomplete files. Error detection in transmission protocols is at the bit or packet level (I don't know enough about USB to be specific) and has no means of detecting an incomplete or damaged file. You can just be assured that every bit which did get transmitted is correct, but it doesn't ensure file integrity. This kind of thing would need to occur much higher in the stack than the physical link since there is no awareness of even the concept of a "file".
 
I own a fair bit of Apple gear and i'm very disappointed and critical for the following reasons:

1. For me, the perfect laptop would have been the existing MBA with a retina screen. Sure, they could have reduced the screen bezel a bit, updated the proc to what is used in the Macbook, made the logic board smaller and the battery larger. The thickness and weight would be roughly the same and this would be the perfect laptop, except they didn't do this. Ive (predictably) couldn't help but take the design to the absolute extreme without any compromises for usability and features.

2. If I thought this Macbook just represented an extra choice in the Apple laptop range I wouldn't mind. The problem is that I do not believe this to be the case. I think within a few years, the Macbook could completely replace the MBA or, the design philosophy used will filter into the other product lines, spoiling them too.

I respect what you are saying, and just have a few thoughts on it: First, they could never possibly make a computer that would satisfy everyone. If they made it just how you suggested, there would still be people complaining. For example, i've seen people here on Macrumors argue that they do not want a retina screen... for various reasons. Second, your fear about what might happen a few years down the line could possibly happen. Apple has shown they are more concerned with what the majority of the consumer base wants... not what the diehard users want. So i suppose its a situation where the numbers will talk. Several years from now they will see what they are selling more of... the new Macbook, or the MBA. If they sell far more of one or the other, thats probably the direction they will go. So people will be voting with their wallets.
 
So, according to you, what are the common uses and functionality of USB and Thunderbolt which do not overlap?

Thunderbolt is an external PCIe expansion solution. It's very fast, and is getting faster. Daisy chaining high speed RAID systems and many multiple monitors.

USB is getting a whole lot better.. but Thunderbolt is too.

Thunderbolt is intended to replace internal PCIe expansion.

USB = consumer.
Thunderbolt = professional.

Like i7 v Xeon, or non ECC v ECC ram.

It's designed for different purposes. I didn't actually say it didn't overlap.
 
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Like you say there are definitely people that go out of their way to bash Apple. On the flip side just check out places like BGR or to a lesser extent Engadget. Those people take hating Android and especially Samsung to a whole new level.

I haven't been there to those sites... but i believe you. I'm sure there are plenty who likewise love to bash Samsung and Android. I try hard to never bash them, because the simple truth is that there are a lot of things that Android and Apple competitors do right, that I wish Apple would do. So i like seeing competition.
I have two apps that have notification center widgets... that I cannot update. Apple initially approved the apps... and then told them they had to remove some functionality or have their apps pulled (one is Swift Dial).... so if i update the apps, i lose functionality that i currently have. Its very frustrating (and remember the Launcher app that was out for a very short time before being yanked?).... so my point is that Apple absolutely sucks *** when it comes to some areas of user functionality or customizability.
 
Since it has been adopted by the USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF), it is by definition not "a Apple proprietary standard", is it?

USB IF, by the way, publicly showed off the new connector standard early last year.

The question was whether people _think_ it's an "Apple proprietary standard". Plenty of people believe that AAC is an "Apple proprietary standard" because they think wrongly that one of the A's stands for Apple. People believe lots of things that are wrong, and the wronger it is, the harder they are to convince.
 
Well if apple invented it i guess it will be as useless as the Firewire and Thunderbolt ports are nowadays, it will have a short term, expensive set of peripherals, and then fail.

seems when apple picks a "proprietary" port, its basically a nail in the coffin for that tech

Lets just hope that because its USB, and an open standard, that we see this adopted across the board, including apple dropping the lightning cable for the iPhone 6s and next gen iPads, i would love a world where ONE cable does everything from charging my phone/laptop/tablet to hooking up my glasses free 3D ultra 8k monitor to my Nvidia Titan black platinum ghost death ray power sucker 2000 edition in a couple of years.

The point is that it's not proprietary.
 
Exactly my point in my comment above. Don't post stuff if you don't understand what you're talking about.

Just becuase YOU don't use it, doesn't mean it's dead. And because YOU don't use it, you can't comment on its usefulness. So stop speaking rubbish about things you don't know about.

And just because YOU think one port is enough doesn't mean it is. What was that advice you gave? :rolleyes:
 
If Apple actually brought the money they made back to the USA and paid taxes on it, you might have a point. But they continue to stash it offshore and avoid US taxes on it. The only exchange rate they need to take into account under their current strategy is the Chinese currency.

You are talking about profits. Most of the money that you pay isn't profit. Most of it goes straight back to the USA to pay the bills. And the money that stays in Europe most likely doesn't stay here in Pounds and Euros but is exchanged into dollars.

Fact is, if you paid 1000 Euros a year ago then Apple received a lot more dollars than they receive now from the same 1000 Euros. Prices go down as well when currencies get stronger. People claim they don't, but somehow people have strange memories.
 
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