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John Gruber: Apple Invented USB Type C

Nightarchaon said:
Well if apple invented it i guess it will be as useless as the Firewire and Thunderbolt ports are nowadays, it will have a short term, expensive set of peripherals, and then fail.

seems when apple picks a "proprietary" port, its basically a nail in the coffin for that tech

Lets just hope that because its USB, and an open standard, that we see this adopted across the board, including apple dropping the lightning cable for the iPhone 6s and next gen iPads, i would love a world where ONE cable does everything from charging my phone/laptop/tablet to hooking up my glasses free 3D ultra 8k monitor to my Nvidia Titan black platinum ghost death ray power sucker 2000 edition in a couple of years.
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Non of these are proprietary and Apple is the 4th company selling USB C products on the Market.

As for the one cable to rule them all, it's not going to happen as that cable in Thunderbolt. Unfortunately thunderbolt is expensive and not what 99% of the consumers want, because of this we will have to standards side by side. Thunderbolt will continue and be for the enthusiast, prosumer, and professional market.

My biggest question is what will Apple do with this fragmentation. Will they make a 5K thunderbolt display which will not be compatible with the MB or will they just make a lower end USB C display. I have a feeling Apple will offer a USB C display and let the professionals buy third party 5K plus displays.
 
Andrei90 said:
Yeah but that's John Gruber, he's an attention whore and also he has been wrong a couple times recently. Obviously an Apple employee will advise you to buy Apple periphals, that's their job but I don't think they will try to fool you into thinking only Apple dongles will work with the MacBook. Also, if an Apple consumer has no idea what USB Type C is that's their problem, they can ask an Apple Genius for help or take 30 seconds to look it up on the internet. Anyway, someone that's going to spend $1300 on a MacBook obviously has $70 to buy the dongle.
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Well, there is $70 for a dongle made by Apple. Next will be dongles for $60 to $80 made by the likes of Belkin, LaCie etc.; companies who specialise on making accessories for Apple computers at exaggerated prices. (Take the ridiculous prices of Thunderbolt accessories as evidence). Then you will get $30 dongles that work with any computer that has USB-C, they don't mention Apple and are not targeted at Apple users but work just fine. They you will get $10 dongles that equally fail to work with a Mac or with a Windows computer :-(

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fosking said:
Wasn't this the reason they had to make a change?

An EU ruling will force all smartphone manufacturers to use microUSB chargers from 2017 - potentially causing trouble for Apple.
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The EU is just fine with Apple selling adapters.

The biggest cost is the charger that you plug into the wall and that converts 220 volt to something that doesn't kill you or your device. And all these chargers let you plug in a USB-A cable. You can charge your iPhone with a charger made by Samsung without any problems and vice versa. (The charger is also the part where you want quality, because a cheap one can kill you).

Then there is the cable. The cable is separate, and the cables all have USB-A on one side and something else on the other side. Should you have a charger with a non-removable micro-USB cable, then Apple has an adapter and the EU is fine with that.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
And just because YOU think one port is enough doesn't mean it is. What was that advice you gave? :rolleyes:
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I never said that at all. It's not enough no. I'm a professional photographer. But it's not designed for me.

You guys just DO NOT understand that it's NOT FOR YOU. It's for somebody that wants a small laptop that has a nice screen, a good battery and looks cool!

It's so dense to not understand that that is another persons priority.

I could definitely make use of it though, showing off my portfolio to potential clients. Looks the business, just like I purchased an iPad for when they came out. It was new and looked amazing. That kinda thing sells me more than you obviously can grasp.
 
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DanielSw said:
Wrong. You only NEED a magsafe on the power cable, as data cables aren't likely to be tripped over with the peripherals being located relatively close to the computer. But making a multi-conductor magnetic interface would most likely introduce reliability and durability issues as well as other engineering problems, as well as much higher cost.
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Magsafe is for people using their MacBook on the sofa with a cable stretching through the room where other people walk. You don't use your MacBook on the sofa with USB peripherals connected, it's an absolute pain. If your MacBook is on your desk, you don't need MagSafe.
 
jlo1158 said:
For me I keep my Logitech unifying adapter, usb sound bar, charging/data cable for my phone, sometimes my 2 external hard drives. About a year ago I replaced my 750 GB hard drive with a 240 GB Samsung SSD. Now my >250GB movies or my 20-30 GB music or my thousands of pictures from Hawaii, 2 trips to Ireland, and multiple places i've been working in various states will not fit on my internal SSD. The pictures I keep on OneDrive and Google Drive, but I won't do without a physical copy.
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I know charging the phone at ones computer is convenient. But isn't charging it on your nightstand next to your be equally convenient?

And why didn't you add a second HDD to your computer? You already had the drive in the form of your 750 GB HDD. And you had to buy at the very least an external case if you use the 750 GB drive now as your primary storage for movies and pictures (if you didn't buy a separate HDD altogether). That would have paid probably for about half the cost of the second internal HDD frame. So, maybe for $50 extra you could have kept all your data inside your laptop. Wouldn't that be worth it?

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cfedu said:
Non of these are proprietary and Apple is the 4th company selling USB C products on the Market.

As for the one cable to rule them all, it's not going to happen as that cable in Thunderbolt. Unfortunately thunderbolt is expensive and not what 99% of the consumers want, because of this we will have to standards side by side. Thunderbolt will continue and be for the enthusiast, prosumer, and professional market.

My biggest question is what will Apple do with this fragmentation. Will they make a 5K thunderbolt display which will not be compatible with the MB or will they just make a lower end USB C display. I have a feeling Apple will offer a USB C display and let the professionals buy third party 5K plus displays.
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A 5K TB display won't be compatible with any of Apple's current computers.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Except when the battery is low and you need to use it. :eek:
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Then MagSafe was nothing but a gimmick?
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I thought Thunderbolt was the future.
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Applescruff,

I am seriously considering putting you on my ignore list. In the past you would add insightful comments that had some depth. Recently they have seemed to be short, cranky, negativity.
I keep hoping for better.
 
Manwholikespie said:
From what I remember, although they did commission quite a few of their engineers to work on it– Dell, HP and Intel engineers were also a part of the team.

Edit: found it.




Source: http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/6/7505187/apple-macbook-2015-usb-type-c-reversible

Edit2: It seems as though that number has climbed to 21. Here is a list showing the engineers Apple currently has that are "USB Implementers". https://www.usb.org/members_landing...A62ju2k.iGY&related_details_batch_start:int=1
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Samsung will copy it anyway
 
Gasu E. said:
Why would they? What would they gain? If they put an invention out as a standard, obviously this would be because want other companies to adopt it. There is nothing to be gained by having a standard associated with Apple.
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why even say they had any hand in it?

being honest and forthright is certainly better than having "little birdies" leaking stories.
 
manu chao said:
I know charging the phone at ones computer is convenient. But isn't charging it on your nightstand next to your be equally convenient?

And why didn't you add a second HDD to your computer? You already had the drive in the form of your 750 GB HDD. And you had to buy at the very least an external case if you use the 750 GB drive now as your primary storage for movies and pictures (if you didn't buy a separate HDD altogether). That would have paid probably for about half the cost of the second internal HDD frame. So, maybe for $50 extra you could have kept all your data inside your laptop. Wouldn't that be worth it?

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A 5K TB display won't be compatible with any of Apple's current computers.
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I use the Blu Ray player in my laptop so I don't have a place for a second hard drive. I also already had the 2 external hard drives (a 320GB and a Terabyte passport. As for the 750GB hard drive the Samsung SSD came with a usb adapter to use for setting it up before changing drives and I didn't have to get an external case. If I did need an external case my son had one from when he upgraded his Macbook Pro to a faster Hard Drive he isn't using.
 
cupcakes2000 said:
I never said that at all. It's not enough no. I'm a professional photographer. But it's not designed for me.

You guys just DO NOT understand that it's NOT FOR YOU. It's for somebody that wants a small laptop that has a nice screen, a good battery and looks cool!

It's so dense to not understand that that is another persons priority.

I could definitely make use of it though, showing off my portfolio to potential clients. Looks the business, just like I purchased an iPad for when they came out. It was new and looked amazing. That kinda thing sells me more than you obviously can grasp.
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No need for the snarky attitude Cupcake.
 
manu chao said:
A 5K TB display won't be compatible with any of Apple's current computers.
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Most likely not but it would be possible if Apple wanted too. If Dell could make a work around, I'm sure Apple could. 5K will most likely have to wait for Thunderbolt 3.
 
gnasher729 said:
Magsafe is for people using their MacBook on the sofa with a cable stretching through the room where other people walk. You don't use your MacBook on the sofa with USB peripherals connected, it's an absolute pain. If your MacBook is on your desk, you don't need MagSafe.
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The 'trip over the cable' scenario may be what MagSafe is best known for, and for that it's undeniably brilliant… But I love it for plugging in my MBP when it's on the desk too. It's just so easy to snap in place, and for something you have to plug in every day (if you use your laptop as much as I do) this isn't insignificant.

InfoTime said:
The new MacBook has insane (claimed) battery life. The only time it's going to be plugged in is overnight to charge and be out and about throughout the day. That's the way I just my four year old MacBook Air. I rarely need to plug it in while in use.
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ghettochris said:
Really? It doesn't seem like a negative with iPhones and iPads...

I expect this to be the same. The days of charging your laptop while you use it are over.
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To all those people arguing that long battery life negates the need for regular charging, I'd make a couple of points… Firstly, the battery life diminishes over time, so while this may be true when your MacBook is brand new, it won't be a year or two later. (If you're actually using your MacBook for work throughout the day.) Secondly, one of the worst things you can do to your lithium ion battery is repeatedly run it down to empty. Regular charging is better for your battery.

So I disagree with Apple's decision to ditch the brilliant MagSafe technology here. I'd be very disappointed if a single USB-C port really is the future of Apple laptops—very disappointed. I'd love to see the next generation of MacBook Pros include a MagSafe port and at least three USB-C ports.
 
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Applescruff,

I am seriously considering putting you on my ignore list. In the past you would add insightful comments that had some depth. Recently they have seemed to be short, cranky, negativity.
I keep hoping for better.
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I didn't see anything wrong with the comment you quoted. :confused: Certainly nothing warranting this kind of response.
 
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Applescruff,

I am seriously considering putting you on my ignore list. In the past you would add insightful comments that had some depth. Recently they have seemed to be short, cranky, negativity.
I keep hoping for better.
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I made three relevant comments and I think they were self explanatory. I can't help it if you don't like them.
 
Essaux said:
And also bumping prices by 200 euros making their TotL Macbook Pro 2800 instead of 2600 is just taking the piss.
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Pissed at the wrong guy. The Swiss central government was proping up the Euro currency with massive currency buying for the last two years. One night they simply called UNCLE and stopped. The exchange rate shifted 30% that hour and reverted to mean at about a 20% decline. That decline was directionally similar against a wide range of currencies.

Apple was compelled to increase Euro denominated prices seemingly less than the 20% they were cheated overnight.

Did you see what happened with Russia and the Ruble? Apple shut down sales in the entire country because Apple devices became the most stable currency in the country!!!! Then days later they adjusted pricing according to the actual currency value change.

Rocketman
 
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I think USB-C is the best thing Apple did in awhile. I would love to see type C on all Apple devices..bc I pretty much have to bring iPhone charger everywhere I go, all my friends are Android fan *smh*
 
avanpelt said:
Why ditch MagSafe, though?!
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I find it very hard to believe Apple ditched MagSafe, when that was probably the best solution to power adapters ever. I've known one person in particular who went through adapters with PC laptops like there was no tomorrow. She has only managed to break one AC adapter with MagSafe and never damaged the adapter port on her Mac like she used to with the port on PC laptops.

MagSafe was the perfect solution to a problem and I for sure thought it would be here as long as power cables on Macs were. Guess I was wrong. I really don't like the idea of now plugging something in there which can pull my 2lb light computer off my desk.

However, do we know for a fact it doesn't have MagSafe? I guess with a strong enough magnet, you could pull and seat the cable properly in the port. Anyone have more info on this? I don't want to think MagSafe is gone.
 
jlo1158 said:
Since I have a couple of tablets now my laptop has basically became a desktop connected to a 50" Sony. I have to keep it plugged in because I don't use the battery. I also usually keep a 7 port Anker hub half full most of the time. I have to believe i'm not the only person that uses more than one port.
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Obviously you are not, but I'm not the only person that uses only 1 port either. I just don't see the big deal here, teens don't need more than 1 port, they just need a good looking laptop to showoff and what better than the all new futuristic MacBook from Apple!!!? Like I said, if you have $1299 to buy the MacBook you have $70 to buy a dongle.
 
Andrei90 said:
Obviously you are not, but I'm not the only person that uses only 1 port either. I just don't see the big deal here, teens don't need more than 1 port, they just need a good looking laptop to showoff and what better than the all new futuristic MacBook from Apple!!!? Like I said, if you have $1299 to buy the MacBook you have $70 to buy a dongle.
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And if you don't need the dongle, you have $70 to spend on something else!
 
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