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I've never met anyone who thought the 5S was too thick. I'm sure they exist, I've just never met 'em. Anecdotal and all that.

Me neither, but for something that you have to carry in your pockets, have to hold it in your hands to use it while you are also doing other things, particularly walking while using it, thinner and lighter is better for many people. iPhone 5/5s was not too thick before, and it is not now but the 6 is much better (even though bigger screen) for many people. I have absolutely no problem with iPhone getting even thinner but without loosing its durability. And if the battery last all day with heavy usage, it's all good for me. I don't live in a cave so I am fine with spending 5 seconds every evening to plug it on charge.
 
I still don't get why I want/need a "smart watch" Maybe one day if it can replace the smart phone completely, otherwise I look forward to Apple showing me why I have to get this (or any) smart watch...

I can give you one example that I see with my clients every week and one, for my father living in Assisted Living, would be extremely handy and beneficial.

Since the watch has built in sensors that could monitor the status of a persons heart, imagine a situation in which a person has a heart attack, or collapses for some reason and is unable to get up. Now imagine this information triggers an alert. The watch, using Siri, enquires if you need assistance. Since you've programmed it to preform actions based on your responses, let's say Siri then tells you that it will initiate a 911 call if you do not respond in a given time. If you fail to respond, the watch, through your phone, calls an emergency number. Siri then "tells" the operator that there appears to be an incident and asks if it is okay to transmit the status of your health to the doctor and to request EMT's. They arrive, with your health medical records and the data your watch has been transmitting to them in real time. Such a scenario is quite possible and likely.

A similar scenario could exist for someone injured and unable to communicate. Calls could be initiated to rescue workers, EMT's could monitor Vital Statistics from your watch and communicate First Aid advice to you or someone with you.
 
I would expect him to stay until he retires. My understanding is he's the freest person at Apple, free to design whatever he wants, free to veto whatever he wants. He has near limitless amounts of resources at his disposal. He's allowed to work with whomever he wants. I don't know why he would ever leave.

That's the main problem, he has way too much power.
The iMac and Mini have been neutered to suit his design taste and a computer should be functional above all else.
 
I can give you one example that I see with my clients every week and one, for my father living in Assisted Living, would be extremely handy and beneficial.

Since the watch has built in sensors that could monitor the status of a persons heart, imagine a situation in which a person has a heart attack, or collapses for some reason and is unable to get up. Now imagine this information triggers an alert. The watch, using Siri, enquires if you need assistance. Since you've programmed it to preform actions based on your responses, let's say Siri then tells you that it will initiate a 911 call if you do not respond in a given time. If you fail to respond, the watch, through your phone, calls an emergency number. Siri then "tells" the operator that there appears to be an incident and asks if it is okay to transmit the status of your health to the doctor and to request EMT's. They arrive, with your health medical records and the data your watch has been transmitting to them in real time. Such a scenario is quite possible and likely.

A similar scenario could exist for someone injured and unable to communicate. Calls could be initiated to rescue workers, EMT's could monitor Vital Statistics from your watch and communicate First Aid advice to you or someone with you.

Judging by Siri's accuracy, I would hate to put my life in her hands.
 
Those who are wearing the watch as a fashion product will have many options to change the band, and of course they can have a watch face for any occasion. New bands from Apple and third-party sellers will appear from time to time. I don't expect the shape or size of the main watch to change all that often.

I'm a non-watch-wearer and not into fashion, and neither are you (since you have worn the same watch for nine years), so probably Apple's fashion strategy shouldn't be based on advice from either you or me.


I still have hopes that Apple will provide a way to replace the internals with more powerful (and less power-hungry) innards for about the same price as the $350 model. If I get used to relying on a watch again, I'm going to want its capabilities to grow.



The main reason that people see those products as game-changers is that they changed the game, and we can see that with hindsight. Read comments from before or shortly after they were released, and you'll see that many of those comments are eerily similar to yours. Skepticism before an Apple product's release is historically unreliable.


I'm looking around the airport lounge. There is a man talking on an iPhone. Think about the way people hold their iPhones (or similar smart phones). That's not what someone from the 1970s would consider natural. We had phones that were sturdy and meant to wrap your whole hand around, not hold gently between your outstretched fingers. Another guy is typing onto his iPad. Computers in the 1980s had full-travel keyboards similar to typewriters. The few computers that had "chicklet" keyboards were derided as toys. Now the chicklet keybord is on my MacBook Pro, and ten feet away there's a guy using a keyboard with practically no tactile feedback.

If people find the Apple Watch to be useful, then the use of it will come to seem as natural as holding a 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus next to your ear.

Apple may never convince you to purchase an Apple Watch (some people still insist that a "dumb" mobile phone is all they want or need), but the effort to convince you and me and everyone else has barely begun.

First of all, there are only a few brands that have watch models that live on year after year - watch and band combined. For those that buy watches for fashion, the band is just a small part of the fashion and the watch itself is going to play a part in their buying decision. A smart watch does benefit from having a changeable screen view, but the shape being stuck as a rounded rectangle is going to be negatively viewed. I've worn the same Seiko because it's unique, a small-run version (relatively speaking) that people still compliment me on (not that I'm looking for compliments, but it clearly has a classic appeal). I've not come across another watch that provides me with the features and look - without getting into the tens of thousands of dollars level and I'm just not willing to go there yet when I still like what I have.

I agree, that if Apple can change out the internals (at store level) as a way to keep a watch up to date, that would be a game-changer for smart watches.

In regards to my seeing the Apple Watch as a game changer as if I missed calling the iPhone, iPod, iPad game changers just isn't true. I understood in each case just how disruptive Apple was going to be. I saw Apple that way going back to the release of the Macintosh SE. I just don't see the watch, which at this point is still just an off-shoot of the iPhone and in fact requires the iPhone to do many of the things they want it to do, being some huge hit in the long-term.

The thing with communicating with your watch verbally is the issue faced with any device using a speakerphone - having others hear your conversation or the person you're talking to hear everything around you. I would actually argue that a smartwatch would be unnecessary if Apple would simply make a better bluetooth headset. Why try reading text on a tiny screen when your headset could read a message or alert you to leave for a meeting or any of the other things the Watch is supposed to help with and do so with other people not realizing it (other than seeing you have a headset in your ear).

Apple first bluetooth headset was a fantastic device - tiny for the day, decent battery life. In fact it was potentially too small and I knew two people who lost a couple of them because of that. But today, bt headsets have improved sound, but still look pretty terrible (except for maybe the new Moto Hint). Apple should, if they're not already, be working to replace their wired headsets with something discrete, offering long battery life that uses the iPhone's own noise suppression capabilities.

I'd go further and say that looking at a watch during a meeting is as poor in form as looking at your phone. In the "old" days, looking at your watch during a meeting was a sign you were bored with the meeting. Now with a smart watch, you could be bored and trying to do something else while in a meeting. And given the small size of the Watch screen, you're going to need to focus more intently when trying to get to some particular function, further taking you away from other things you could or should be doing.

It's true, I may recognize at some point as Apple further promotes the Watch, that I have to have one, but I knew I was going to get an iMac, MacBook Pro, Air, iPod, iPad, iPhone even before any of these things hit the market, because I saw the benefit to each without needing Apple to "sell" me on them.
 
Most of the questions being posed in this thread are answered in the article. Which, of course, hardly anyone will read. That takes time and effort, and makes it much harder to piss and moan.
 
Read comments from before or shortly after they were released, and you'll see that many of those comments are eerily similar to yours. Skepticism before an Apple product's release is historically unreliable.

Its just not true. The ipad and iphone were celebrated in the popular press upon release. I would concede the reception of the ipod was initially muted--but that product is closely tied to itunes, which took time to develop
 
I can give you one example that I see with my clients every week and one, for my father living in Assisted Living, would be extremely handy and beneficial.

Since the watch has built in sensors that could monitor the status of a persons heart, imagine a situation in which a person has a heart attack, or collapses for some reason and is unable to get up. Now imagine this information triggers an alert. The watch, using Siri, enquires if you need assistance. Since you've programmed it to preform actions based on your responses, let's say Siri then tells you that it will initiate a 911 call if you do not respond in a given time. If you fail to respond, the watch, through your phone, calls an emergency number. Siri then "tells" the operator that there appears to be an incident and asks if it is okay to transmit the status of your health to the doctor and to request EMT's. They arrive, with your health medical records and the data your watch has been transmitting to them in real time. Such a scenario is quite possible and likely.

A similar scenario could exist for someone injured and unable to communicate. Calls could be initiated to rescue workers, EMT's could monitor Vital Statistics from your watch and communicate First Aid advice to you or someone with you.

Now that is some great thinking! I'm not at the point where this is an issue, but it is a great game changer if this could be implemented. Frankly, the market for the aging population is growing significantly and something like this could open up huge opportunities for Apple.

The only challenges, which I know Apple is working on, is that any device that checks vital signs is considered a medical device and needs to go through stringent FDA testing and approval processes. Apple, of all companies, has the wherewithal to get this done.
 
In a life-or-death situation, I'd take Siri's help. If instead of calling 911 she ordered you a pizza, it would most likely be because you set up the feature wrong.


More than likely it would be because Siri isn't quite up to the task as of yet. :)
 
Personally I'd rather have a better camera that protrudes ever so slightly than a flush one that takes inferior shots.

With a case on (which most people do anyway, and if you don't then you really should) it renders the problem moot.

I hate this case argument. that is not the point. I have never used a case and I never will. I use the product as it was intended. People like me have to suffer because of that? give me a break.
 
Its just not true. The ipad and iphone were celebrated in the popular press upon release. I would concede the reception of the ipod was initially muted--but that product is closely tied to itunes, which took time to develop

It is true. People who were already using "smart phones" were on this site saying that iPhone would not be a success. And that it was not even a smart phone.

I'm willing to wait a year or so before I decide if Apple Watch is a success (even though I will likely buy a Gen 1 version soon after release). Until that time, I'll treat any skepticism as suspect.

I never had any use for an iPod, but my own lack of interest didn't keep it from being a big hit.
 
I would like to hear Steve Jobs's opinion on this matter.

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Probably the same as it was for the iPod touch:

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Such an awful design. Protruding camera and those antenna bands :confused:

So awful it's the best selling smartphone in the history of humanity. Oops!

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Mr. Ive look me straight in the eyes and tell me you didn't introduce a 5.5" iPhone Plus in direct response to what Samsung did.:)

Ive has already said they experimenting with big phones long ago. They were first, remember? In fact the iPhone began as an iPad in the lab.
 
I can give you one example that I see with my clients every week and one, for my father living in Assisted Living, would be extremely handy and beneficial.

Since the watch has built in sensors that could monitor the status of a persons heart, imagine a situation in which a person has a heart attack, or collapses for some reason and is unable to get up. Now imagine this information triggers an alert. The watch, using Siri, enquires if you need assistance. Since you've programmed it to preform actions based on your responses, let's say Siri then tells you that it will initiate a 911 call if you do not respond in a given time. If you fail to respond, the watch, through your phone, calls an emergency number. Siri then "tells" the operator that there appears to be an incident and asks if it is okay to transmit the status of your health to the doctor and to request EMT's. They arrive, with your health medical records and the data your watch has been transmitting to them in real time. Such a scenario is quite possible and likely.

A similar scenario could exist for someone injured and unable to communicate. Calls could be initiated to rescue workers, EMT's could monitor Vital Statistics from your watch and communicate First Aid advice to you or someone with you.

The Apple Watch (in its current form) is not ideal for this scenario for several reasons. First, it requires an iPhone. That means your dad has to also have his iPhone on him. Second, the battery doesn't last long. Is your aging father going to remember to charge it every few hours or even every day? Third, it's not waterproof. What if your father has a heart attack in the shower? And finally, assuming your father has his iPhone and remembered to charge his watch battery, what happens if there's no cell signal where he decides to take a walk?

What you describe is a great idea, but it's far better suited to a single purpose device. I use a SPOT messenger when I backpack and backcountry ski. Two batteries keep it operating for weeks. It tracks my position, allows me to send "Im OK" and "Help" messages (with my GPS coordinates) to a list of email addresses I set up before my trip. And if I'm in big trouble, I can press the 911 button and Search and Rescue will be deployed. It works anywhere on the planet, does not depend on having a cell signal, is completely water- and weather-proof, and does not require another device to function.

I'm highly skeptical of the wearables market. I don't see much consumer interest in them, as a product category, despite our obsession with gadgets these days. I personally think smart watches are silly. I don't want to squint at a tiny screen to read an email or receive a notification. I also think they will only exacerbate the era of rudeness ushered in by the smart phone. Now you won't even have to pull your phone out of your pocket to rudely ignore your companion in favor of seeing who posted the latest cat video to Facebook.

However, what you describe is a great wearable and I fully expect someone to make it one day. For it to work, it needs to be water proof. The battery needs to last for weeks, if not longer. It needs to be completely independent and not rely upon any other product to function. And, ideally, it should work like my SPOT in that it doesn't require a cell or Wifi signal either.

There are too many points of potential failure in the Apple Watch for it to be considered a serious life saving device - even if they offered the kind of feature you describe.
 
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never happening. you can barely open imac

They've already shown the internals as what appears to be a modular piece. Like any watch, it will have to be serviceable.

You can't compare an iMac to a Watch, but even if you did, Apple has no issues fixing iMacs. Consumer's can't or should only try if they are good at following instructions. You're not likely to see Wal-Mart's jewelry department offering battery replacements on Apple Watches any time soon, but that's not any different than any premium brand watch that requires service be done by either authorized repair facilities or their own factory.
 
Now that is some great thinking! I'm not at the point where this is an issue, but it is a great game changer if this could be implemented. Frankly, the market for the aging population is growing significantly and something like this could open up huge opportunities for Apple.

The only challenges, which I know Apple is working on, is that any device that checks vital signs is considered a medical device and needs to go through stringent FDA testing and approval processes. Apple, of all companies, has the wherewithal to get this done.

I think an even bigger challenge is battery life. If you're going to depend upon a device like that, you can't have to remember to charge it every few hours or even once a day. And you certainly can't expect an older person in assisted living to remember to do so. Such a device has to work around the clock for weeks or more between charges. And it must be waterproof. You should never take it off. And when you do, you only do so to charge it (or change the battery), then immediately put it back on. You sleep with it. Otherwise, what's the point? Any device you have to take off and put back on multiple times a day is a terrible life-saving device because, inevitable, you will forgot to put it back on sometimes. The Apple Watch is ill suited on many levels for what he describes.
 
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I read the entire article. The article seems to take great pains in presenting Jony and his team as completely separate from the rest of the Apple crew. They're completely locked in the lab and work completely independently.

This kind of thing annoys me. If Jony were as humble as he says he is, he'd acknowledge that his team can work in complete "independence" and with a blank check only with the help of the lowly engineers that comprise the rest of the Apple staff.
 
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