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Jony Ive "hears" your macbook criticism
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Nah I think the new one is just right in terms of thickness. I’m hoping for lighter weight and smaller form factor though! The 2015 one is just a tad too thick
No, they barely fit on the side of a 2015; they could probably make the side big enough to accommodate it without increasing the overall size of the machine, though (just less tapering). In all honesty I think by the time the next redesign rolls around though we’ll be far enough into the transition that it won’t make sense to add them back in, kinda ridiculous of Apple to make the switch a whole 4 year cycle of machines early though!
There is still hope, imho the new iMac Pro is definitely a step in the right direction. I'm excited again for the upcoming Mac Pro, my cheese grater will be 8 years old next summer and I look forward to finally replacing it...
I hope Apple will keep on course for the next generation of MBPs.
I hope Apple will keep on course for the next generation of MBPs.
Ditching the ESC-key was a bad move.
Me too. I only see disadvantages to the changes Apple made to the successor. A lot of change for the sake of change. Looking forward to Apple righting the ship in 2018.
They could include MagSafe and still let you charge via USB 3 from either side. I've tripped over the power cord way too many times to risk buying a laptop without MagSafe.
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Well of course. Apple listens to all of the feedback they get. And they ignore 99% of the feedback because most people haven’t a clue what good design is. Good design is about saying no. And saying no to customer suggestions has been a successful strategy.
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Perhaps. But then I can go to another thread complaining about the cost of replacement MagSafe chargers and users complaining of Apple’s proprietary connectors. So they can’t please everyone.
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This is not new for Apple. The original iMac included only USB ports (which were uncommon at the time) and the outrage was unbelievable. By deliberately forcing out older ports, Apple has pushed the industry to adopt new standards much faster.
Apple simply don’t have that sort of market influence in the personal computer space. Much less when it’s only a couple of lines of computers from Apple that are USB C only - the MacBook and MacBook pros. You can still buy a MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac(latest), Mac mini(latest), Mac Pro(latest) which offer USB A. All of windows land still offer USB A bar some very niche MacBook knockoffs. There’s even still a lot of computers that offer no USB C at all. This pretty much guarantees type A is going nowhere for a few more years at least, and in the meantime, MacBook customers have to make do with dongles, or the few, expensive, specifically built type C accessories available. They might have fired the starting gun, but that could have been accomplished with a machine that included legacy ports too.
USB C first and foremost for Apple meets it's design philosophy. Smaller ports allow for a thinner chassis nothing to do with influencing anything. Apple was serious about USB C the IOS devices would also be equipped, they are not for one simple reason Apple would lose millions in licencing revenue for Lightening, and that's the only thing Apple's cares about.
USB C remains to be in it's infancy; complex, convoluted and pricey with USB A going nowhere. Apple has only succeeding in pissing off a good number of it's customers by forcing dongles that if all were brutally honest, nobody wants...
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Never say never - I see normal USB-A (USB3) ports on the back of that brand new iMac Pro.
Only USB-A ? I see from left to right :
- a port not worthy for main product ... iPhone (audio Jack)
- a port rarely used semi obsolete .... (SD card)
- 4 "stuck in the past" ports ..... USB-A
- 4 miracle ports that do everything mostly with dongles .... USB-C (also not suitable for the main product iPhone)
- 1 mega ultra obsolete port .... Ethernet (in a wireless AppleWorld
)In my opinion Sir Jony Ive already acts.... /sarcasm
Although I love USB C, the world is still stuck with A. My work requires me to travel a lot overseas. Even in some of the most technologically advanced countries in the world like Japan or Hong Kong, you really have to search to find USBC anything. Everyone abroad I have exchanged physical media with uses A thumb drives and the occasional SD card. If I lose and misplace an important dongle, oh boy....
Only USB-A ? I see from left to right :
- a port not worthy for main product ... iPhone (audio Jack)
- a port rarely used semi obsolete .... (SD card)
- 4 "stuck in the past" ports ..... USB-A
- 4 miracle ports that do everything mostly with dongles .... USB-C (also not suitable for the main product iPhone)
- 1 mega ultra obsolete port .... Ethernet (in a wireless AppleWorld
In my opinion Sir Jony Ive already acts.... /sarcasm
Desktop computer have a different space budget and also a different usage context. BTW, that "mega ultra obsolete port" your ironically quote is not just Ethernet, but 10GB Ethernet. Its a bit of a different beast.
My wish list:
1. Better ports HDMI 2.0 and USB type A
2. Get rid of the Touchbar. I am a programmer and need real function keys
3. Higher resolution display. I feel like it should be higher than 220 PPI
3. Better keyboard
What i don't want
1. Thinner laptop
2. Ligher laptop
1. Better ports HDMI 2.0 and USB type A
2. Get rid of the Touchbar. I am a programmer and need real function keys
3. Higher resolution display. I feel like it should be higher than 220 PPI
3. Better keyboard
What i don't want
1. Thinner laptop
2. Ligher laptop
That's what most people are complaining about? Out of all of those I would say only the USB type A ports, function keys, and maybe the display is what en mass is complaining about. Apple isn't the only one using soldered on RAM and cased in storage and batteries and windows users aren't complaining.
1. I disagree with HDMI 2.0. A USB C can be turned into a HDMI port so why have an extra one?
2. I wish they put the touchbar above the function keys.
3. Can you even tell the pixels at this resolution?
4. Def. more reliable, and a hair more key travel. Im fine with it otherwise.
5. The thickness is alright, but the weight definitely needs to go down.
I know about 10GB Ethernet , but still I'm not ironic . And yes desktops have more space (psihical ) but Apple is promoting (on MacBookPro san MacBook) USB-C transition a bit incoherent , not on iPhone , full on (new) MacBooks(Pro) , partial on desktops . Maybe a real MacBook Pro ...Pro it's on the way with same ports like iMac Pro . Maybe your line of work allows you the dock(s) option which is my case also . Otherwise is unpleasant to carry o bunch dongles or a third dock everywhere you go . For my old Macbook Pro non retina 2012 I have another type of ...dongle , USB-A to USB-C , still waiting for a device to connect to
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The only thing I like about the new MacBook Pro, outside of the obviously very good screen, is that they dropped the stupid magsafe. It would many times drop out just by moving the machine on your desk. So annoying.
Actually TBH after using the Keyboard for a while the only thing I dislike with the 2017 MB is that it has no MagSafe.
No, not naive. Very sophisticated cost models used in aerospace industry to predict the cost of spacecraft. They look at al the factors one would expect. and you know what? In the end it comes down to reasonably constant dolor per pound. This of course assumes a constant level of technology and the engineers always try and put the pace and weight to the best use. The result is very surprising at first but it "just works out"
Lets say Apple management gave their engineers a 1" think "budget". They would put the ports back, they might put in a faster CPU and a lot more memory and a much larger battery. All in all they would stuff the space with about the same kind of parts in about the same proportions.
Yes they COULD fix the same with air and cheaper parts. But remember I said "we assume the engineer uses the same level of technology and puts the space to the best use. Apple would do that and a think product would cost more
1. Would prefer not to carry a dongle
2. Agree with you. Good idea
3. Yeah I can. Definitely
4. Yes agreed. Even 1 to 2 mm more travel would be appreciated
5. Yes agreed. You hit the nail on the head there. Weight should be no more than 2.8 pounds. Form factor is perfect
Even if we assume that results from aircraft engineering are directly transferrable to computer tech, there is a problem with "constant level of technology" part. The thing is, Apple still uses high-performance components in their very thin laptops (there is no laptop on the market with a faster CPU for example, save for behemoths that use desktop-class CPUs). And providing adequate cooling and engineering around these components in a thin and light chassis is simply more expensive.
Let me give you a practical example: Apple uses AMD Polaris 11 GPUs for the 15" MBP. These GPUs are not the fastest of the bunch, but they deliver very reasonable performance to power ratio (which is more or less the same as best Nvidia offerings). There are few things which make Polaris 11 in the MBP special though. First of all, they use a full chip (with 16 out of 16) cores enabled, while everybody else uses versions of the chip with 14 cores enabled — the full chip is obviously more expensive. Second, they have additional manufacturing steps applied to the chips (die thinning) which makes them more compact and more energy efficient. This is quite advanced, expensive stuff right here. If wouldn't be necessary if the laptop was bigger of course, but that wouldn't make the laptop any faster, since the GPU without all those extra expenses would simply run hotter.
Another examples include low-power RAM modules which are more expensive then the desktop DDR4 variant, symmetrical Thunderbolt3 ports, which are more expensive than the normal USB-A or HDMI or Magsafe, the keyboard which uses more complex mechanism compared to the traditional etc. Regardless of what kind of criticism one has for the new MBP, it is a basic fact that tech it uses is simply more expensive than found in many other laptops. Ever wondered why most laptops until not long ago uses blue-coloured USB 3.0 ports vs. "regular" USB-2.0 ports? Because USB-3.0 implementation required extra chips and was more expensive overall — so manufacturers use these kind of hacks to cut cots. Its not something that Apple does.
Again, this is not an airplane. As mentioned before, they already use fastest CPUs available, can't go faster than that. battery could potentially be increased by 30%, true. RAM is a more complicated problem since going more then 16GB would require DDR4, which would probbaly more then negate that 30% battery increase (based on independent tests, 32GB of DDR4 uses around 12 Watt alone — thats the same as the entire 2017 MP on idle). Same with faster GPUs — using a faster one means need for larger cooling, which means that the battery size can't be maximised. Etc. etc. In fact, when you look at todays industry, you'll see that manufacturers are going the opposite way: they are downgrading the CPUs to lower power levels and using large batteries to deliver long runtimes. Which makes sense, since most computer workflows are based on bursts of CPU activity. Unless you need sustained performance, in which case the MBP is practically unbeatable.
If they even made it .75mm from .5mm it would probably make a whole world of difference, a 50% increase at that small a travel would be transformative
The answer is quite easy:
Their customer policy is quite simple:
"first shoot - and ask questions later"....... if ever...
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